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Serious Peacetime cowards at RSN can't compare with the USN, as proven by naval accidents

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[h=1]US Navy fires two commanders after Asia sea accidents[/h]
WASHINGTON: The US Navy dismissed two senior officers on Monday (Sep 18) after a series of collisions involving Seventh Fleet warships in Asia, citing a loss of confidence in their ability to command.
Rear-Admiral Charles Williams, commander of Task Force 70, and Captain Jeffrey Bennett, commander of Destroyer Squadron 15, were fired by Seventh Fleet commander Vice-Admiral Phil Sawyer, the Navy said. In August, Sawyer replaced fleet commander Vice-Admiral Joseph Aucoin, who was fired after the accidents.
"Both reliefs were due to a loss of confidence in their ability to command," the Navy statement said.
The shakeup in the Seventh Fleet command followed a pre-dawn collision between guided-missile destroyer USS McCain and a merchant vessel east of Singapore and Malaysia on Aug 21, which killed 10 sailors and was the fourth major incident in the US Pacific Fleet this year.
In June, another destroyer, the USS Fitzgerald, collided with a Philippine cargo ship, killing seven US sailors.
Several other officers have also been relieved, with administrative action taken against other members of the ship’s watch teams.

Read more at http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...o-commanders-after-asia-sea-accidents-9228290
 

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SINGAPORE, June 20 — Two Singapore officers were charged Friday with causing a collision between a navy ship and a Dutch cargo ship that killed four sailors, a defense ministry spokesman said.

Lt. Ng Keng Yong, 27, and Lt. Chua Chue Teng, 23, were released on $5,870 bail, the defense ministry spokesman said. The official, who declined to be identified, said he could not say what the exact charges against the men were. The two are scheduled to appear in a court July 8.

Ng was watch officer when the RSS Courageous, a 500-ton submarine hunter, collided with the ANL Indonesia off Malaysia's southern coast on Jan. 1, killing four servicewomen. Eight other officers were injured.

Former Chief of Navy, Rear Adm. Lui Tuck Yew, called it the worst naval accident in Singapore's history.

In a report in April, Singapore's Maritime and Ports Authority accused Ng of ''errors of judgment,'' including failing to tell Chua, who was under his command, how to steer the navy vessel out of the cargo ship's path.

© 2003 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
 

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Look at the 2 incidents in the first 2 posts. Both are very similar if not exact accidents. Navy ships colliding with civilian vessels resulting in the lost of naval life. Imagine, the US Navy fires the commander of a Task Force, with the rank of Rear-Admiral and also the Captain of the Destroyer Squadron after the collision of the USS John McCain with the merchant vessel off SIngapore. They investigated all the way up and fired the top people. the buck really did stop at the Rear Admiral's desk. And rightly so. If something goes wrong, the fault has to ultimately lie with the head. For example, if a battle was lost, people should rightly blame the general who lost the battle, not the Sgt in command of a platoon or squad.

Compare this with the RSN's reaction. After the RSS Courageous collision, they investigated and hauled 2 kids up for trial. Both of them were young Lt. what happened to the captain of the vessel who drew up the duty roster that put these 2 officers on the bridge at the same time, 2 LTs who could not deal with the situation? Nothing, I suppose. In The SAF and MINDEF culture of blame, every accident, is to be pinned on the lowest ranking person possible, who is usually quite defenseless and has no voice in the proceedings. I have seen this personally many times in the SAF. No one over the rank of Lt Col takes the blame for anything. Much less a General or Admiral. This blameless elite mindset permeates all the way up to the civil service and ultimately the PAP and govt. This is a fatal flaw. A fighting man cannot achieve the morale to fight for his country when his officers and superiors will sell him out to be the only one take the fall when something goes wrong. The USN personnel have the knowledge that if their life is lost because of a superior's incompetence, said superior, no matter how high their rank is will get punished. This is a big difference in the mindset of the fighting man.
 

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Their Admirals may be dismissed but at least they have served in war and earned their medals. And they have enough replacements.
 

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Their Admirals may be dismissed but at least they have served in war and earned their medals. And they have enough replacements.

If those admirals can't be trusted to navigate their ships safely pass merchant ships, I doubt their actual war contributions in war against actual bullets and missiles. Was the credit of their fighting men given to them to pad their CVs?
 

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US dont hv real enemy. All their enemies are fake. Was Afghanistan their real enemies or they hv been booming Afghan all these years make afghan their fake enemy.



Their Admirals may be dismissed but at least they have served in war and earned their medals. And they have enough replacements.
 

steffychun

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If those admirals can't be trusted to navigate their ships safely pass merchant ships, I doubt their actual war contributions in war against actual bullets and missiles. Was the credit of their fighting men given to them to pad their CVs?

They've fought wars while your scholar admirals and generals only care which Speaker or GLC role they will take.

Or if Muslim, they want to ready for the multi-million dollar seat of do nothing President. Oh wait, since when are Malays scholar generals?
 

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...........if a battle was lost, people should rightly blame the general who lost the battle, not the Sgt in command of a platoon or squad.

..... every accident, is to be pinned on the lowest ranking person possible, who is usually quite defenseless and has no voice in the proceedings........... This blameless elite mindset permeates all the way up to the civil service and ultimately the PAP and govt. This is a fatal flaw. .....

Ditto in the private sector(as I mentioned in another thread)-anything wrong, fire the low ranking staff. Company loses $ or drop in profits, start to retrench middle management and below while top management/directors remain in their cushy high paying jobs when it was their policies or poor management that is the cause.
Worst still they fire locals and employ "cheaper foreigners" and yet in times of crisis expect these very locals who were retrenched to risk their lives and defend the fat cats on top.
 
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