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    Putin + Xi says Trump must not sanction Kim.



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    06184628.jpg Russian President Vladimir Putin again rejected US calls for new sanctions against North Korea after its sixth and most powerful nuclear test, echoing China's resistance to more punitive measures to pressure Pyongyang into abandoning its atomic and missile programs. PHOTO: EPA
    [MOSCOW] Russian President Vladimir Putin again rejected US calls for new sanctions against North Korea after its sixth and most powerful nuclear test, echoing China's resistance to more punitive measures to pressure Pyongyang into abandoning its atomic and missile programs.

    The Russian leader criticised sanctions as "useless and ineffective", instead urging the international community to offer security guarantees to North Korea.

    "They'll eat grass, but they won't abandon their program unless they feel secure," he told reporters Tuesday at an emerging markets summit in Xiamen, China, which was hosted by his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping.

    US Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley said Monday the Trump administration would seek the strongest possible sanctions against Kim Jong Un's regime.

    Mr Kim was "begging for war" after testing what he claimed was a hydrogen bomb, she said after a meeting of the UN Security Council.

    SEE ALSO: Moon seeks Putin's help, warns of 'uncontrollable' North Korea
    Ms Haley said the US would circulate new draft sanctions and wants the Security Council to vote on them Sept 11.

    Trump administration officials including Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Defense Secretary James Mattis on Wednesday will hold an all-senators briefing on North Korea.

    Japan backed the US, with Deputy Prime Minister Taro Aso on Tuesday calling for additional measures.

    "There's no chance of talks progressing without increasing pressure," he told reporters in Tokyo.

    But Ms Haley also signaled the limitations of sanctions during an event in Washington on Tuesday, saying, "Do we think more sanctions are going to work? Not necessarily, but it cuts off revenue to allow them to develop missiles."

    The standoff between North Korea and the US has become the most dangerous foreign crisis facing President Donald Trump, as the isolated state accelerates its program to develop weapons of mass destruction.

    Even before North Korea detonated its most powerful nuclear bomb on Sunday, Japan was calling for moves to cut off its oil supply.

    Afterward, Mr Trump threatened to halt all trade with any country that does business with Kim Jong Un's regime.

    China, which supplies most of its food and fuel, called the warning "unacceptable".

    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang batted off a question at a briefing in Beijing on whether his nation would consider limiting oil shipments to North Korea.

    "The actions and reactions of the Security Council will depend on the conclusions reached through debate by its members," Mr Geng said, according to an official transcript.

    Since the Korean War, Beijing has avoided prodding North Korea to the point it might collapse, fearing a destabilising economic blow and the possibility of the US military gaining influence on its border via a unified Korea.

    That calculation has held even while China's interests have diverged from those of North Korea.

    Even so, South Korean Foreign Minister Kang Kyung-hwa said Tuesday that her Chinese counterpart Wang Yi told her that Beijing is open to additional sanctions.

    ICBM Launch South Korea's Defense Ministry on Wednesday denied a local media report that the country requested the US to deploy an aircraft carrier near the maritime border with North Korea.

    The Seoul-based Asia Business Daily reported Tuesday that North Korea was preparing to launch an intercontinental ballistic missile before Saturday.

    South Korea's Defense Ministry declined to comment on the report that said the ICBM was being moved to a launch site.

    South Korea has detected "continued activities" related to North Korea missile tests, according to a government official who asked not to be named in line with government policy.

    Sunday's test, North Korea's first since Mr Trump took office, was a "perfect success" and confirmed the precision and technology of the bomb, the regime said.

    Energy from the underground explosion was about six times stronger than the last test a year ago, South Korea's weather agency said.

    Commercial satellite imagery, obtained the day after North Korea conducted its largest nuclear test, appears to show numerous landslides throughout the nuclear test site and beyond, according to an analyst report on the 38 North website.

    The report said there doesn't appear to be any evidence of a collapse crater.

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    As I said in the other thread, Kim Jong Un just wants 2 things:

    1. Permanent peace treaty to supplant the current ceasefire agreement (in place since 1953);
    2. Lifting of all economic sanctions.

    Is it so difficult for the US to come to the table to discuss the above, if she genuinely wants peace on the Korean Peninsula?

    But no, the Americans want to stir shit in N.E. Asia, to keep Korea divided and to use N. Korea as a pawn to 'contain' China. And they're bringing us to the brink of a nuclear holocaust.

    The only sane American voice in this insane sabre-rattling saga is Jimmy Carter:


    The harsh rhetoric from Washington and Pyongyang during recent months has exacerbated an already confrontational relationship between our countries, and has probably eliminated any chance of good faith peace talks between the United States and North Korea. In addition to restraining the warlike rhetoric, our leaders need to encourage talks between North Korea and other countries, especially China and Russia.

    The recent UN Security Council unanimous vote for new sanctions suggests that these countries could help. In all cases, a nuclear exchange must be avoided. All parties must assure North Koreans they we will forego any military action against them if North Korea remains peaceful.

    I have visited North Korea three times, and have spent more than 20 hours in discussions with their political leaders regarding important issues that affect U.S.-DPRK relations.

    In June 1994, I met with Kim Il Sung in a time of crisis, when he agreed to put all their nuclear programs under strict supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency and to seek mutual agreement with the United States on a permanent peace treaty, to have summit talks with the president of South Korea, to expedite the recovery of the remains of American service personnel buried in his country, and to take other steps to ease tension on the peninsula. Kim Il Sung died shortly after my visit, and his successor, Kim Jong Il, notified me and leaders in Washington that he would honor the promises made by his father. These obligations were later confirmed officially in negotiations in Geneva by Robert Gallucci and other representatives of the Clinton administration.

    I returned to Pyongyang in August 2010, at the invitation of North Korean leaders, to bring home Aijalon Gomes, an American who had been detained there. My last visit to North Korea was in May 2011 when I led a delegation of Elders (former presidents of Ireland and Finland and former prime minister of Norway) to assure the delivery of donated food directly to needy people.

    During all these visits, the North Koreans emphasized that they wanted peaceful relations with the United States and their neighbors, but were convinced that we planned a preemptive military strike against their country. They wanted a peace treaty (especially with America) to replace the ceasefire agreement that had existed since the end of the Korean War in 1953, and to end the economic sanctions that had been very damaging to them during that long interim period. They have made it clear to me and others that their first priority is to assure that their military capability is capable of destroying a large part of Seoul and of responding strongly in other ways to any American attack. The influence of China in Pyongyang seems to be greatly reduced since Kim Jong Un became the North Korean leader in December 2011.

    A commitment to peace by the United States and North Korea is crucial.

    When this confrontational crisis is ended, the United States should be prepared to consummate a permanent treaty to replace the ceasefire of 1953. The United States should make this clear, to North Koreans and to our allies.
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    It is unlikely that they will be able to replace Young Kim using conventional methods. He has eliminated everybody within DPRK who could be a threat. The only realistic option is assassination. Young Kim knows this which is why he never travels outside of the DPRK.


    Quote Originally Posted by scroobal View Post
    When push comes to shove, China will remove and replace Young Kim so it goes back to the status quo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aurvandil View Post
    The only realistic option is assassination.
    Who would be in power should Kim got bumped off? His elder brother?
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    Both China and US have been caught short on the NK capabilities. That might be the reason for restraint for the moment as the playbook needs to be updated. Its interesting that the US has alleged that NK acquired its weapon components from Ex- USSR countries suggesting that China was bypassed.

    Quote Originally Posted by JHolmesJr View Post
    I would say push has come to shove and yet china hasn't lifted a finger. Why? Perhaps it suits them to have NK as a throne in the US bum forever.

    The only thing stopping the US is the massive loss of life among KJU's citizenry….but how long can this shit go on?

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    Great observation. I am not sure if its Lil Kim or an astute adviser but this thing appears to be well planned to cripple any plans by the Chinese. He got rid of his brother which would have been readily used by the Chinese to replace him and keep the people happy. He also as pointed by you had eliminated all those who are a threat as well as a potential agent of the Chinese. There leaves little option for the Chinese. The Chinese are not looking at forcing a domestic crisis within NK that sends thousands across their border, just remove a mad boy.

    Quote Originally Posted by aurvandil View Post
    It is unlikely that they will be able to replace Young Kim using conventional methods. He has eliminated everybody within DPRK who could be a threat. The only realistic option is assassination. Young Kim knows this which is why he never travels outside of the DPRK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yellowarse View Post
    As I said in the other thread, Kim Jong Un just wants 2 things:

    1. Permanent peace treaty to supplant the current ceasefire agreement (in place since 1953);
    2. Lifting of all economic sanctions.
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    Not any more.

    Not the same BEFORE vs AFTER they have H-BOMB.

    Before NK had nuke they wanted peace treaty because USA got nuke and NK could not nuke USA.

    After NK had nuke and can nuke USA, they won't want peace treaty any longer. Why have peace when advantage is now in your hands? Very stupid to look for peace. You want to use your nuke and CASH OUT our advantages. After you nuke aways all those against you, you automatically have ETERNAL PEACE and everything fell under your control.

    That is the magic of nuke.

    NUKE MADE the DIFF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yellowarse View Post
    As I said in the other thread, Kim Jong Un just wants 2 things:

    1. Permanent peace treaty to supplant the current ceasefire agreement (in place since 1953);
    2. Lifting of all economic sanctions.

    Is it so difficult for the US to come to the table to discuss the above, if she genuinely wants peace on the Korean Peninsula?

    But no, the Americans want to stir shit in N.E. Asia, to keep Korea divided and to use N. Korea as a pawn to 'contain' China. And they're bringing us to the brink of a nuclear holocaust.

    The only sane American voice in this insane sabre-rattling saga is Jimmy Carter
    And you are probably the only sane voice here in this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeebjii View Post
    And you are probably the only sane voice here in this forum.
    Sanity is insane! Too many people living in this world none willing to leave, it will not work! It will cause all to die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 我戳你个妈 View Post
    NUKE MADE the DIFF.
    And what difference did nukes make? The means to force Americans to the table to hammer out a peace deal and lift sanctions. Maybe throw some aid into the bargain. It's still about peace and food on the table.

    You may call Fatso juvenile, spoilt, even crazy, but he's not stupid. Very smart, in fact. Do you seriously think a self-centred megalomaniac like Kim would risk decimating himself and his own family and home by engaging in this high-stakes game of brinksmanship? He suckered America into a poker game he knew he couldn't lose, not when his missiles were on the verge of reaching American territory. And he knows that when push comes to shove, the Americans will cower like the craven bullies they are. The US has so much more to lose than N. Korea in a mutually assured destruction scenario.

    Give the guy a Tiger.

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    It's difficult for the any decent country to allow a family of despots to successfully have all the trappings of a great life while the entire country lives in such a condition. I recall the various famines over the years when the West and South Korea would have to send food convoys across the borders.

    It's akin to the Police agreeing to let the triads run Geylang and the people paying protection money.

    Hoping to give N Korea normalcy and equal treatment like any other country would be an easy way out but it would betray the people of North Korea, the only ones still in the yoke of a completely discredited ideology overlaid by the tyranny of a single family.

    Of course it's in the interest of all true blue capitalists and business people to work with Kim to exploit his country's cheap labour by recognising his rule and giving him full status as a sovereign country's leader but rest of the World would not accept it and certainly not the South Koreans who kinfolk are oppressed in this manner.

    The US and West can walk away and tell Kim, that they will not provide protection to S Korea and Japan and will not act at all unless it threatens the US. Is this what we want? It will easy to do for the Americans. In fact they can sign a trade deal to move manufacturing to the cheapest labour source in the World and it will be a win for the Americans and Kim.

    Get real, nothing is so easy. There is an obligation to our fellow human beings but there is no obligation to look after a single family that has exploited its very own people and kept them oppressed for 3 generations.

    Look what he did to his own blood and made an absolute fool of the Malaysians and Malaysia was one of the rare few that gave near normal status visit, visa, residency, and immigration wise.

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    From the analyses Ive read, it all seems to be Kim's way to keep his family in charge…at any cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhihau View Post
    Who would be in power should Kim got bumped off? His elder brother?
    the eldest brother has son/sons. his son went KL to collect his body.

    the kim cult of today is the same as the red guards of 1960s. If even singapore can have millions of lky supporters, it not a surprise the kim family has the support of many NKoreans. I say many but not majority. the rest are just plain scare, A bit like germans during hitler rule or Red Guards during Mao or even Stalin period.

    there still a 中国人民志愿军 office at 板门店。CCP is under treaty to help DPRK in event of US/ROK invasion. CCP also worry about the nuclear capabilities of the DPRK. The best outcome US attack, CCP send troops under the pretext of reinforcement, get rid of 金三胖,setup the kim jongnam son as puppet ruler while giving US access to removal of nuclear technologies.
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