• IP addresses are NOT logged in this forum so there's no point asking. Please note that this forum is full of homophobes, racists, lunatics, schizophrenics & absolute nut jobs with a smattering of geniuses, Chinese chauvinists, Moderate Muslims and last but not least a couple of "know-it-alls" constantly sprouting their dubious wisdom. If you believe that content generated by unsavory characters might cause you offense PLEASE LEAVE NOW! Sammyboy Admin and Staff are not responsible for your hurt feelings should you choose to read any of the content here.

    The OTHER forum is HERE so please stop asking.

Chitchat US Destroyer missing on AIS tracking system

scroobal

Alfrescian
Loyal
I cannot recall which newsite, possibly a UK site that I saw a few days ago, they showed the a video of tracking and you can see 3 vessels travelling in close proximity heading south in heavy traffic and then the Tanker Alnic stopping suddenly, does a turn and moves away and stops far away. The other 2 vessels continuing. Other ships sailing south start to move around the place that Alnic stopped suggesting they are avoiding a vessel other than Alnic.

It looks like the USS John S McCain switched off it transponder in heavy traffic!! There was no signature of the destroyer in the tracking video at all.

http://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore/only-tanker-was-detected-collisionOnly tanker was detected before collision

MPA detected only tanker, not US destroyer, on Automatic Identification System

KARAMJIT KAUR, THE STRAITS TIMES
Aug 24, 2017 06:00 am

Oil tanker Alnic MC was detected by the Singapore maritime authorities before its collision with American destroyer USS John S. McCain in Singapore waters on Monday morning.

The Maritime and Port Authority of Singapore (MPA) said in response to queries from The Straits Times yesterday that its Vessel Traffic Information System (VTIS) had detected only the presence of Alnic MC.

The monitoring system detects and tracks vessels via radar or the Automatic Identification System (AIS) signals, and enables an alert to be sent to vessels in the event of an impending collision and to get them to change course.

The MPA said the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea requiring mandatory carriage of AIS is, however, not applicable to ships of war and troop ships.

“In this case, MPA’s VTIS and radar detected only the presence of the tanker,” it said when asked by ST whether it had tracked the two vessels before the collision.

“The incident occurred in Singapore waters in the Traffic Separation Scheme in the Singapore Strait. Investigations are ongoing.”

Naval experts say the VTIS had likely detected the tanker through the latter’s AIS. But the AIS in the warship might have been switched off.

Still, other vessels in the vicinity should have been able to detect or see the destroyer on their radar systems or by sight.

Even as a probe is under way, experts have also suggested other possible causes for the collision — including a potential cyber breach that may have disabled the destroyer’s computer system. It has also been suggested that the warship could have been hit by a technical failure that jammed its steering.

Human error is another possible cause that has been floated. Admiral Scott Swift, commander of the US Pacific Fleet, told reporters in Singapore on Tuesday that nothing is being ruled out in the investigations.

This includes possible negligence on the part of the crew, which will be investigated, he said, adding that “every scenario will be reviewed and investigated in detail”.

The collision left 10 US sailors missing and five injured. The US Navy said on Tuesday that the bodies of some sailors had been found.

Military experts say it is not uncommon for naval vessels to switch off their AIS systems for security purposes. Dr Sam Bateman, a former commodore of the Royal Australian Navy and adviser to the Maritime Security Programme at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies, said: “Warships often don’t have their AIS switched on because of security... That is a real problem.”

The International Maritime Organisation — a United Nations agency that oversees the safety and security of the global shipping sector — told ST it is compulsory for all merchant ships to switch on their AIS and other detection systems.

But the guidelines do not apply to military vessels.“While not mandatory, we do encourage all vessels — military and commercial — to adhere to the guidelines,” a spokesman said, pointing out that cyber attacks against the shipping industry are a growing concern. — ADDITIONAL REPORTING BY ZAIHAN MOHAMED YUSOF
 

halsey02

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
Human error, most likely....other than electric, electronic or even high tech stuff....do they still have human's on watch, aboard the ship...or ships? even the tanker...??
 

KuanTi01

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
Human error, most likely....other than electric, electronic or even high tech stuff....do they still have human's on watch, aboard the ship...or ships? even the tanker...??

I always thought besides all the advanced electronic eyes and detection systems onboard a warship, it will also have human eyes to keep watch! Seems to me more like human error or negligence.
 

3_M

Alfrescian
Loyal
So much for a country that staunchly advocate 'freedom of navigation' don't even adhere to the basic navigational rules.
 

scroobal

Alfrescian
Loyal
Found the tracking video. Watch, the destroyer is missing but the tanker is there.

They must been silly to switch it off in such dense traffic.

 

halsey02

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
I always thought besides all the advanced electronic eyes and detection systems onboard a warship, it will also have human eyes to keep watch! Seems to me more like human error or negligence.

Know know really much about sailing procedure, only a wee bit...don't they have one lowly seaman on the "monkey island" on watch duty? or these days they have camera there & someone will be monitoring...a person, on watch duty, that include an officer.

Must be bored...& watching porn.:biggrin:
 
Top