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    LKY was really afraid that the Tunku or his people could have him arrested during Separation that he took refuge at the Govt Bungalows in Changi which was then within the RAF Changi Airbase complex, a place where British troops still maintained security. The public could not go pass into Netheravon Rd where the Brits had a security checkpoint. The particular chalet LKY and his family stayed was the same one which President Nair later stayed when he had his ("ahem") episode with the wigs.....


    True - the Tunku may not have had wanted to arrest LKY, but the same could not be said for people like Syed Jafaar Albar, the Sec-Gen of UMNO.

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    The Malaysian Prime Minister, Tunku Abdul Rahman, eventually tired of the bickering and told Singapore to secede from Malaysia. The matter was hushed up, with not even the UMNO Members of Parliament such as Albar being informed of what 9 August 1965 Parliamentary session would be concerned about. When Albar demanded more information on why their presence was demanded, he was rebuffed. Upon discovering that day itself that the purpose of the meeting was to allow Singapore to secede, Albar left Parliament House, not participating in the final unanimous vote. As this was directly contrary to his orders, the Tunku insisted on sacking Albar as UMNO Secretary-General, but was later persuaded to permit Albar to graciously resign instead.

    Albar was opposed to the idea of allowing Singapore to secede, because he felt that imposing emergency rule over Singapore and removing Lee as Prime Minister would have been an ideal solution. Before secession, he had vocally called for Lee to be arrested for destroying racial harmony through his "Malaysian Malaysia" campaign, which the Malays saw as threatening the special rights granted to them under Article 153 of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnTan View Post
    Same reason why Copts and Hindus remain in places like Eygpt and Pakistan. It's their home and they don't want to leave unless absolutely necessary.

    I can see that you are generally in agreement with the muslim practice that discriminates against non-muslims simply for being non-muslim. The only time you squeal is when muslims themselves face the same kind of discrimination they subject others to when they are the majority.
    Only a dumb shit like you will think the Copts love to stay in Eygpt and the Hindus in Pakistan. Those that remain behind are either too poor or unqualified to migrate to another country. Otherwise, they would have left long ago.

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    Perhaps Singapore will still be part of Malaysia today had Syed Jafaar Albar had succeeded in getting LKY arrested by the Tunku before Separation.

    On the other hand, LKY had contingency plans for Goh Keng Swee to run a Govt-in Exile in Cambodia should LKY find himself behind bars. Would Goh Keng Swee have resorted to force of arms against the Central Govt? What bloodshed would there have been?

    On hindsight, I guess the Tunku made the right decision to kick Singapore out and ignored the likes of Albar. Everything turned out for the good of everyone......

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    I think Goh Keng Swee's govt-in-exile could not have succeeded. Cambodia fell to the communists in 1975. Goh would have had to shift his HQ or find himself facing the murderous Khmer Rouge.....

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    Agree with you as well as on the point about Changi Chalet.

    The decision to hold on or evict Singapore rest with the PM of Malaysia and the Country of Malaysia.

    And Tungku made the right decision to contain trouble makers on both sides of the causeway.

    The referendum has nothing to do with the decision.

    Quote Originally Posted by Victory2016 View Post
    Perhaps Singapore will still be part of Malaysia today had Syed Jafaar Albar had succeeded in getting LKY arrested by the Tunku before Separation.

    On the other hand, LKY had contingency plans for Goh Keng Swee to run a Govt-in Exile in Cambodia should LKY find himself behind bars. Would Goh Keng Swee have resorted to force of arms against the Central Govt? What bloodshed would there have been?

    On hindsight, I guess the Tunku made the right decision to kick Singapore out and ignored the likes of Albar. Everything turned out for the good of everyone......

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    Quote Originally Posted by scroobal View Post
    Whats happens if a referendum was in fact held and Singaporeans voted overwhelming to remain as Malaysians? Will Tungku accept the decision of Singaporeans and allow Singapore to remain?
    If this happens, the lky will be arrested or exiled back to china. With singapore, chinese will be majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syed putra View Post
    If this happens, the lky will be arrested or exiled back to china. With singapore, chinese will be majority.
    No bumiputra policy possible if the chinks form the majority. The tunku was probably spooked by the communist insurgency, made only possible because the chinks formed easily half the population of peninsular malaysia.

    Now, the jiuhu chinks form barely 25% of the population. UMNO has given up courting their votes and nobody is afraid of the chinks starting a rebellion anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnTan View Post
    Tunku allowed sinkies to leave because singapore was predominantly chink. He feared a successful coup or civil war won by the chinks. He also feared that losing any referendum on apartheid policies favouring the muds as the chinks would vote against it.

    The dumb mud of course did not take into account demographic changes due to birthrate. Muslims make more babies than non-muslims since they worry less about the future and generally do not invest that much into their kids.

    Even if the chinks outnumbered the muds in the 1950s and 1960s, by the 1990s, the muds would have comfortably outnumbered the chinks, simply having a larger birthrate and also by importing lots of muslim muds from indonesia.

    The Tunku blinked too quickly, allowing LKY to win and thus, earning the honorific "Ah Gong" title.

    I am not sure why oppies would like to have remained under the Tunku. Do they hate the PAP so much that they are willing to subject their descendants to a lifetime of daily persecution and apartheid simply because they aren't mud nor muslim?
    One generation ago, chinese were making as many babies as malays. 7 children in a chinese family is not abnormal. Some with more wives may have up to 20 children. It was lky and chairman mao that stopped chinese from making too many babies and that practice still observed today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnTan View Post
    No bumiputra policy possible if the chinks form the majority. The tunku was probably spooked by the communist insurgency, made only possible because the chinks formed easily half the population of peninsular malaysia.

    Now, the jiuhu chinks form barely 25% of the population. UMNO has given up courting their votes and nobody is afraid of the chinks starting a rebellion anymore.
    Bumiputra policy implemented after 1969 race riots. Before that, it was basically best man for the job. Dr m abused the bumi policy but created many bumi middle classes which now oppose umno.

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    [QUOTE=Papsmpeople. Singapore is an illegally created state as far as I am concerned. No one seems to even bother with this little fact. If the separation had gone to a referendum, how many singaporeans would have voted for it? Certainly not a lot, I don't think.[/QUOTE]

    much like deciding to hv pundek as melayu prez..................one man says datz the way 2 go

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    the ultra forced tunku..... Y not revealed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papsmearer View Post
    U make a good point. The original referendum was a fraud and big wayang. It was rigged to only give one possible result. It was all already arranged by the powers to be from the 2 countries. However, it does not detract from the fact that they too need to make a wayang referendum to leave. If zikapore join malaysia via a fraud referendum, they have to leave via a fraud referendum too. In either case, the joining part is illegal and so is the leaving part.



    worse than Hobson's choice

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    Quote Originally Posted by syed putra View Post
    Bumiputra policy implemented after 1969 race riots. Before that, it was basically best man for the job. Dr m abused the bumi policy but created many bumi middle classes which now oppose umno.
    much like merleetokcracy replced by papig croynism..... incl ownself appt own wife to mgmt nation'''''''';s wealth

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    After EB drafted the Constitution, Lau Hantu was glad he got away without bloodshed...
    i am an ordinary sinkie sheep!!!

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    The crying incident indirectly help craft Bilahari's future before he was born. The irony of it all. I note that Bilahari has never mentioned the affair.

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    Lky got rid of British Empire monopoly in opium trade in Singapore. Give cedit where it was due.

    Shd also pull down All towers of Christianty bldgs to erased the evil West British dictator drug trafficker bastards.

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    LKY made speeches in Malay more eloquently than some of the clowns in the Malaysia parliament. Scared the shit out of them. So they had to kick Sg out.
    PM Lee Kuan Yew: “Whoever governs Singapore must have that iron in him. Or give it up. This is not a game of cards. This is your life and mine. I’ve spent a whole lifetime building this and as long as I’m in charge, nobody is going to knock it down.”
    #Hatersgonnahate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrooball (clone) View Post
    LKY made speeches in Malay more eloquently than some of the clowns in the Malaysia parliament. Scared the shit out of them. So they had to kick Sg out.
    Yes. That sounds like him.
    He returned that disfavour by doing the same to eloquent speakers in his own backyard in later years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gatehousethetinkertailor View Post

    Old fart should be enshrined in the Academy Awards Oscar Hall of Fame for all time. he has pulled off the greatest acting job in modern history.

    First, the fake crocodile tears on cue on TV. maybe he had an onion hidden under his jacket.

    Then the next acting job was to convince zikaporeans that he was a great leader and that he was responsible for the success of the country, etc.

    Then the final acting job before he died was to convince the sinkie sheeps that his son and DIL were exceptional and should continue to run the country. He was certainly, the greatest wayang show on earth.

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