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Serious To Dr Lam Pin Min - There is no such thing as "Defensive Medicine"

nayr69sg

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http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/avoid-practising-defensive-medicine-docs-told

Doctors were urged yesterday not to overreact to a recent case in which a paediatrician was suspended for failing to diagnose that a child had the rare Kawasaki disease.

Senior Minister of State for Health Lam Pin Min reminded them that it is part of their work to exercise "good clinical judgment" when treating their patients.

They should avoid practising defensive medicine, which would raise healthcare costs unnecessarily, he added.


Dr Lam was replying in Parliament to Dr Lim Wee Kiak (Sembawang GRC), who had asked if there were guidelines for doctors to "send all cases for detailed diagnostic tests to avoid misdiagnosing rare medical conditions".

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Dr Lim cited the case of the paediatrician, whose suspension led more than 1,000 doctors to sign a petition to the Health Ministry and the Singapore Medical Council (SMC), saying that the punishment was too severe for misdiagnosing a rare disease.

Dr Chia Foong Lin, who is in private practice, had appealed against the disciplinary tribunal's judgment, but the Supreme Court upheld it.


Timeline of events
Feb 25, 2013

A one-year-old child suffering from red eyes and high fever for three days is hospitalised at Gleneagles Hospital.

Dr Chia Foong Lin diagnoses him as having a viral infection.

Feb 27

The child is fretful, his lips turn bright red and he develops a rash.

Dr Chia considers Kawasaki disease, but does not do any supportive tests for this (there is no specific diagnostic test for Kawasaki disease), nor does she tell his parents.

Feb 28

The boy's fever spikes in the morning and his lips are red and cracked.

March 1

His fever appears to have settled and Dr Chia discharges him. His red eyes have improved and he has no rashes, but his lips are still red and cracked.

March 3

He is reviewed by Dr Chia as an outpatient at her clinic. His parents say the child's fever has continued in the past two days.

March 4

The boy's parents seek a second opinion from Dr Lee Bee Wah, another paediatrician in private practice.

Dr Lee notes that the boy is irritable, has a rash on his upper body, redness on his palms and soles, prominent lymph nodes on the right side of the neck, and a heart murmur.

She orders blood tests and an echocardiogram, which shows that the blood vessels of the heart are already affected.

She treats the boy for Kawasaki disease and he responds well.

Salma Khalik

Dr Lim asked whether the ministry would issue guidelines, if none exists, for diagnosing potentially rare illnesses.

Dr Lam said internationally accepted guidelines for Kawasaki disease have been in existence since 2004. They state that a prolonged fever, with two other symptoms, warrants checking for the disease.

The one-year-old boy Dr Chia was treating had fever and three other symptoms: red eyes, a rash, and lips that were red and cracked.

The tribunal found that "Dr Chia fell short of the reasonable standard expected of a senior paediatrician by not ordering tests to support the diagnosis or discussing with the parents this possible diagnosis which she had considered", said Dr Lam.

It judged her actions as "serious negligence", he added.

Kawasaki disease, if untreated, results in 15 per cent to 20 per cent of children - usually under five years old - developing serious medical problems including heart disease, or dying.

Between them, National University Hospital and KK Women's and Children's Hospital see 160 to 190 cases of Kawasaki disease a year.

Ms Tin Pei Ling (MacPherson) had asked about the basis for Dr Chia's suspension.

Dr Lam said that in deciding on the three-month suspension, the tribunal took into account her 23 years of experience as a paediatrician, and her unblemished record.

It also looked at eight precedents of doctors missing or giving a wrong diagnosis. Six of them were suspended.

Ms Tin also asked whether studies had been done on defensive medicine and potential implications if it was practised here.

Dr Lam said that there is no such local study, but when a doctor deviates from sound medical practice for fear of a malpractice suit, it adds unnecessarily to healthcare costs, he added.

"As part of their work, doctors are expected to exercise good clinical judgment to manage patients appropriately," he said.

Dr Lam added that doctors need to keep abreast of medical knowledge and international guidelines. That is why the SMC requires all doctors to have mandatory continuing medical education.

He said he was aware the case has caused concern among many doctors. He urged them "to stay calm and not overreact", and to read the tribunal's rationale for the penalty.
 

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This case puzzled me. The condition is not rare but rather common yet so many doctors felt that the first doctor did enough. This was not a case of a single visit where the symptoms tend to be mild. And she is not new in the field.
 

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The term "defensive medicine" is one cooked up by politicians and academicians (in cahoots with the politicians who fund them).

It refers to the good practice of being a safe and completely thorough doctor in leaving no stones unturned and investigating any possible diagnosis. It is safe and beneficial to the patient. It is also safe practice for the doctor. Naturally it involves higher costs.

However I doubt any patient would not appreciate their doctor being safe and thorough.

On the contrary a doctor who constantly thinks about savings costs in his practice is the same as a company that does the same in producing products and delivering services.

It is only because the government has to pay the bill for healthcare which is why politicians come up with this term to make it sound "bad".

If a doctor misses a diagnosis based on his/her clinical judgement and has to face the court or a disciplinary panel, the argument for "keeping health care costs low" does not stand. Hindsight is 20/20. Often the easiest question posed to the offending doctor is why didn't you do XYZ test? Why didn't you consult ABC specialist for another opinion?

So the simplest answer is to do XYZ tests and consult ABC always. After all what harm does that do to the patient and the doctor?

Costs is something for the politicians to manage. Not doctors.

We have never seen any political intervention on cases of medical negligence on the basis of the doctor practicing good medicine that does not increase health care costs. NEVER. And we will never ever see it either. It would be political suicide for any politician to do so. Similarly we have never seen a doctor being prosecuted for "over-investigating" and any politician who goes after such a charge would be a politically suicidal move.

I therefore call on my colleagues not to fall for this trap and "appeal to the nobler self" from politicians. it is political rhetoric. Do what is best for your patient and yourself. Be safe, be complete and be thorough. It will serve us well.

Academicians will teach young doctors to be prudent in investigations and bear in mind health care costs which is fine. It is a good message to start with. But after a while we will all realize that the practice of medicine is an art. Not a science. However tests are scientific and objective. We need the two to work hand in hand.

Do not endanger your own practice and your patients in the name of keeping health care costs low. It is irresponsible and negligent to do so.
 
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nayr69sg

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This case puzzled me. The condition is not rare but rather common yet so many doctors felt that the first doctor did enough. This was not a case of a single visit where the symptoms tend to be mild. And she is not new in the field.

Kawasaki's disease presents initially like any Viral Upper Respiratory Tract Infection. It is also primarily a clinical diagnosis. There is no mention by Dr Chia of the child having desquamation of and rash on the palms and soles of his feet (which is usually one of the two signs that makes us think of Kawasaki's).

It is likely that Dr Chia did miss the diagnosis given that Lee Bee Wah picked it up.

This has NOTHING to do with the term "defensive medicine". It was probably used by the defence to try to mitigate the charges.

If Dr Lee Bee Wah had ordered the echocardiogram and showed that there was no coronary artery involvement (not all Kawasaki Disease patients will have coronary artery aneurysms) would they have censured Dr Lee for overinvestigating and causing health care costs to rise? The short answer is no.

So just be a safe doctor and be very thorough. Do not be afraid to order investigations for the safety of the patient.
 

nayr69sg

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I am pretty certain in the minds of Singaporeans who read this story they will picture Dr Chia as "one of those" high and mighty think she is right type doctors who denies her patients tests.

Nowadays patients want and I repeat they WANT more and more tests. Clinical judgement is not so valued anymore in making diagnoses or excluding diagnoses. You need tests to back up that clinical judgement.

Technology has progressed and this is just part and parcel of the new society we live in. Few use snail mail anymore. Amazon is starting to be the way people buy things. Electric cars will replace gas powered cars. Smartphones are the new standard. And similarly in medicine, the doctor has to back up his judgement with tests whether he thinks it is a serious diagnosis or whether he thinks there is nothing to be concerned about.
 

nayr69sg

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Stop using the term "Defensive Medicine". I prefer to call it "Meticulous Medicine"
 

scroobal

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Thats the PAP for you. Always famous for their strawman approach to every thing. The other is the severe bout of fatalism. Someone leaves a bag in the MRT and they go to jail.

Kawasaki's disease presents initially like any Viral Upper Respiratory Tract Infection. It is also primarily a clinical diagnosis. There is no mention by Dr Chia of the child having desquamation of and rash on the palms and soles of his feet (which is usually one of the two signs that makes us think of Kawasaki's).

It is likely that Dr Chia did miss the diagnosis given that Lee Bee Wah picked it up.

This has NOTHING to do with the term "defensive medicine". It was probably used by the defence to try to mitigate the charges.

If Dr Lee Bee Wah had ordered the echocardiogram and showed that there was no coronary artery involvement (not all Kawasaki Disease patients will have coronary artery aneurysms) would they have censured Dr Lee for overinvestigating and causing health care costs to rise? The short answer is no.

So just be a safe doctor and be very thorough. Do not be afraid to order investigations for the safety of the patient.
 

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The term "defensive medicine" is one cooked up by politicians and academicians (in cahoots with the politicians who fund them).

It refers to the good practice of being a safe and completely thorough doctor in leaving no stones unturned and investigating any possible diagnosis. It is safe and beneficial to the patient. It is also safe practice for the doctor. Naturally it involves higher costs.

However I doubt any patient would not appreciate their doctor being safe and thorough.

On the contrary a doctor who constantly thinks about savings costs in his practice is the same as a company that does the same in producing products and delivering services.

It is only because the government has to pay the bill for healthcare which is why politicians come up with this term to make it sound "bad".

If a doctor misses a diagnosis based on his/her clinical judgement and has to face the court or a disciplinary panel, the argument for "keeping health care costs low" does not stand. Hindsight is 20/20. Often the easiest question posed to the offending doctor is why didn't you do XYZ test? Why didn't you consult ABC specialist for another opinion?

So the simplest answer is to do XYZ tests and consult ABC always. After all what harm does that do to the patient and the doctor?

Costs is something for the politicians to manage. Not doctors.

We have never seen any political intervention on cases of medical negligence on the basis of the doctor practicing good medicine that does not increase health care costs. NEVER. And we will never ever see it either. It would be political suicide for any politician to do so. Similarly we have never seen a doctor being prosecuted for "over-investigating" and any politician who goes after such a charge would be a politically suicidal move.

I therefore call on my colleagues not to fall for this trap and "appeal to the nobler self" from politicians. it is political rhetoric. Do what is best for your patient and yourself. Be safe, be complete and be thorough. It will serve us well.

Academicians will teach young doctors to be prudent in investigations and bear in mind health care costs which is fine. It is a good message to start with. But after a while we will all realize that the practice of medicine is an art. Not a science. However tests are scientific and objective. We need the two to work hand in hand.

Do not endanger your own practice and your patients in the name of keeping health care costs low. It is irresponsible and negligent to do so.

I thought u are not a fucking doctor?
 

mojito

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Defensive medicine huh. Isn't that what we call vitamins? Vitamins also fake medicine?
 
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