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Serious Now the 1B1R Russians hold high regards towards new Chinese Warships

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Russians I predict will be getting Chinese built warships at discount from Xijinping, as Chinese are building very well very advanced and very FAST. Fleets and fleets of very modern ships pouring into sea from their shipyards makes Putin very envy. Putin actually lost most important heavy shipyards of Black Seas after Ukraine defected to US side, although Putin's wars took back Crimea it did not include that most important heavy shipyard and many other military assets including Antonov Aircraft, Motor Sichi (aerospace and marine turbine engines) Hovercraft Factory etc etc. It need another big war campaign to wipe out Ukraine if Putin want to take back these old Soviet military resources - and may be too late. Because (Gong-Kia) Ukrainians had wasted these resources, outdated, under-utilized, bankrupted, and sold many things to Chinese before bankruptcy.

The example is aircraft carrier, Putin is left with only 1, very old. It is from the same yard in Ukraine which built the original ship that had been converted by Chinese to 辽宁, Chinese had made very strong improvement on it, use it as a test bed, and developed much newer carriers. Now Chinese plan to retire 辽宁 carrier. Putin still have no yards to built new carriers - while Chinese built many new heavy yards, and expanded very strongly. Eventually I suspect 辽宁 would be sold cheaply to Putin. Putin had contracted French to make 4 units of Helicopter Carriers Mistral Class but only 2 were delivered and France refunded huge billions after NATO sanctioned Russia for Crimea Wars, stopping the rest of supplies. The reason being the same, Putin lack a large enough yard to make these.

To use Ang Moh Trumps slogan and real Make Russia Great Again, Putin have to really take strong military actions against ex-USSR & ex-Warsaw-Pact members and reclaim USSR assets, as well as teach traitors a bloody hurtful lesson.


https://www.rt.com/news/396614-russia-china-naval-drill/

China’s advanced destroyer to take part in joint drills with Russia in Baltic Sea

Published time: 18 Jul, 2017 01:35
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Russia and China will conduct the first stage of their Joint Sea 2017 naval drills off the Baltic coast this week, the Russian Defense Ministry has confirmed. Beijing has sent one of its most advanced missile destroyers for the exercises.

The Baltic phase of the exercise, starting Friday, will involve about a dozen warships in addition to military aircraft and helicopters from both sides, the Russian defense ministry said in a statement.

“The main goals of the exercises are to increase the efficiency in cooperation between the two fleets in countering security threats at sea, to train compatibility of the crews of Russian and Chinese warships, to strengthen friendship and cooperation between the Russian Navy and the Naval Forces of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army,” the Russian ministry said.
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FILE PHOTO: Chinese missile frigate Yuncheng (571) © AFP Chinese Navy holds live-fire training in Mediterranean en route to joint drills with Russia

Chinese naval forces are scheduled to arrive in the naval base of Baltiysk in Russia's Kaliningrad region on July 21 for an official welcoming ceremony. The active phase of the joint naval drills in the Baltic Sea will be held between July 24 and 27.

Earlier, Chinese media reported that Beijing has deployed the Changsha, the second advanced Type 052D guided missile destroyer, which was commissioned just two years ago. The warship will be accompanied by the missile frigate Yuncheng and the Luoma Lake supply ship.

Last week, on their way to the Baltic, the Chinese fleet engaged in live-fire drills in the Mediterranean.

After the conclusion of the first phase of the drills off the Baltic coast, the Chinese Navy will join Russian ships in the Sea of Japan and the Sea of Okhotsk in September for the second phase of the Russian-Chinese exercises.

The Chinese and Russian navies have been staging their Joint Sea maneuvers since 2012. Last year, an active stage of the drills was conducted in the South China Sea, a highly tense and one of the most contested region in the world.
 

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You can find in today's news that Russia is still after Ukraine for MH-17 incident, with enough fire in their heart another war should be started against Ukraine and this time to completely occupy it:

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/396573-plane-investigation-ukraine-russia/


Victims of MH17 crash ‘died a second time’ from lack of proper investigation – Willy Wimmer
Published time: 17 Jul, 2017 16:37
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From the very beginning of this inquiry into the crash of Malaysian Flight MH17, the process has been highly politicized, Willy Wimmer, former vice president of the OSCE, told RT. Too many questions remain, he added.
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Monday marks three years since Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was brought down over eastern Ukraine. All 298 passengers and crew on board died.

The tragedy led to an international inquiry carried out by a Joint Investigation Team (JIT) comprising aviation experts and investigators from the Netherlands, Belgium, Australia, Malaysia, and Ukraine.

The investigation paid little attention to data provided by Russian authorities, which provided the information to understand how the crash happened.

Today, many questions remain unanswered regarding the crash, including the process of the investigation.

#MH17 tragedy: Key questions remain unanswered as int’l probe enters 4th year https://t.co/kKxOWbKEFipic.twitter.com/mm6xGA9Hbu
— RT (@RT_com) July 17, 2017

RT: It's been three years on since the MH17 tragedy. How hopeful are you that all questions into the terrible event will be answered?

Willy Wimmer: I think there is almost no hope to get answers to the bag of questions we have because of this tragic accident. We shouldn’t forget that within a few weeks a second Malaysian plane came down. The fate of those two planes is unsolved even today. This doesn’t fit into the experience of air accidents we have in Europe. I won’t mention other parts of the world. Remember, a few years ago we had this tragic accident with a German plane in the mountainous region in the southern part of France. Within days we knew what happened. When you look at the tragic events with these two Malaysian airplanes, nobody knows what happened. This is an uncertainty which makes it possible that those who died in the airspace of Ukraine died for a second time because there is no answer to the question why it happened; and they died for the second time because there is no proper investigation. That is a reality we face today.

RT: Your thoughts on the way the investigation is being carried out, considering how controversial this incident is?

WW: I think the standards of the investigations we have in Europe, and I won’t speak about others part of the world, is different. We know within hours, or within days, what happened and who was responsible. From the very beginning of this investigation, which is called investigation, we all have seen from our experience that it has been politicized from the very beginning.

The interesting thing, I live in the neighborhood of the Dutch border, and we like to go to the Netherlands. The Dutch are in these NATO surveillance planes, AWACS, and two of these planes, if I remember correctly, have been in the area where the accident happened in this part of Ukraine. Until now we’re not familiar with the experience of these two NATO planes, which made surveillance in this part of Ukraine. They must be familiar with all the events in this area, and the Dutch had been on these planes as well if I am correct. Nothing of these things have been explained to the public.

The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT.
 

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It is about time for Xijinping to Rebate some Military Hardware Supplying favor to 1B1R Putin:

Make Russia Great Again!

如今共同的大敌当前,而且是乾坤扭转的世纪良机. 中国如果不以自己的强处补足俄罗斯的短处, 那只是给美国占了好处而已. 西方垂死挣扎, 企图勾结印度阿三, 在中国西南门捣乱, 俄罗斯可以在欧洲动手, 反牵制一手. 看看是谁比较有能力同时应付,世界各个角落的动态局势.




http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2017-07-18/doc-ifyiakur9103901.shtml


俄军工大幅退步翻修舰艇都困难 或向中国回购现代舰

2017年07月18日 10:53 新浪军事
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  新浪军事编者:为了更好的为读者呈现多样军事内容,满足读者不同阅读需求,共同探讨国内国际战略动态,新浪军事独家推出《深度军情》版块,深度解读军事新闻背后的隐藏态势,立体呈现中国面临的复杂军事战略环境,欢迎关注。

  如果问当今世界哪国海军是最强海军,相信每个人都会不庸置疑的回答是美国,但如果再问哪国海军是第二强,大多数人会拍拍胸脯自信的说是中国,毕竟中国海军近年来取得了长足进展,各种新型自主装备井喷式涌现,使我们有了占据第二的资本。不过正因为中国海军发展太快,仍有人不以为然,相信第二海军是俄罗斯,那个曾经继承了苏联红海军威名的凶猛之师。

  其实与苏联时代的辉煌相比,现在的俄罗斯海军显得有些窘迫,除了压箱底的潜艇外,俄罗斯水面舰艇的数量和质量都低的可怜。去年俄罗斯仅有的一艘航母库兹涅佐夫号在执行地中海海域反恐任务时,其烟囱中冒出的滚滚黑烟让世界人民看了笑话,在后续的任务中更是出现了舰载机起飞时坠海的事故,这或多或少都反映出了俄罗斯海军现有的不足之处:落后无序的维护管理和捉襟见肘的舰艇数量严重影响了其正常作战的能力。
  图为冒着浓烟的库兹涅佐夫号航空母舰

  在舰艇数量方面,俄罗斯海军现有常规动力滑跃起飞航母1艘,核动力巡洋舰2艘,常规动力巡洋舰3艘,驱逐舰14艘,护卫舰11艘以及各种小型舰艇99艘,相比之下,我国同属库兹涅佐夫级的现役航母也是一艘,但现役驱逐舰却有29艘,更遑论在建和未入役地各种新型驱逐舰了。
  图为136杭州号导弹驱逐舰(现代级)

  而在质量方面,俄罗斯舰艇更加不堪,其现役驱逐舰多为红海军的老旧遗产,不光型号落后,性能较差,其服役时间也大都超过20年。以现代级驱逐舰为例,这曾经是让美国人都十分重视的苏联强舰,早在99年我国还曾经引进了4艘充当中国海军的门面,被称为“四大金刚”。但此后十几年间我们的经过了几轮升级换代,主力驱逐舰迎来了055的万吨大驱时代,就连那四艘现代级我们都进行了“魔改”使其焕发新生。而俄罗斯的主力驱逐舰却仍然是当年的现代级,这不得不让人唏嘘。这还不是最落魄的,俄罗斯舰艇的维护管理才是最让人无语的地方。同样是现代级,引进我国的四艘保养良好,舰上整洁有序,各系统并无大碍;而在俄罗斯老家的几艘现代级却是一副破落户的景象,舰身老旧、布置杂乱,锅炉等系统都出过重大问题。前不久一位现代级驱逐舰的设计师说:中国人遵守了操作程序,锅炉使用的都是经过严格流程净化的水,才使舰艇仍能正常工作,而俄罗斯海军则完全没有这种意识,个中辛酸一可见一斑。

  由于俄罗斯经济状况较为恶劣,俄罗斯并没有能力大举研发建造新舰,只能靠翻修度日,但补丁越打越烂,翻修只能用来勉强维持一段时期,要想实现海军的接续,要么依赖国外订单,要么依赖国外订购,限于外来订单资金流的不确定性和长周期性,向外国低价订购军舰便成了最好的选择。

  不难看出,向中国回购现代级驱逐舰是可解俄罗斯燃眉之急的一个好方法。现代级驱逐舰虽说开了中国驱逐舰之先河,却与现有的中国海军体系并不兼容,其因是我们后来自主发展的驱逐舰设计思想并非延续自现代级,而是在考虑了我国海防实际需求后兼取美苏之长发展而来的中国特色舰艇设计思想。这就使现代级驱逐舰在我国海军体系中发挥的作用不大,因此完全可以将其出售给俄罗斯而用其他更先进更有中国味儿的驱逐舰来补位。

  对于俄罗斯来说,这绝对是一笔好买卖,这四艘现代级不但保存良好,还经过了中国的改装升级,其价格也不会太高,甚至可能只需要用矿产能源等作为交换即可。而现代级作为苏联人的设计作品,其“回娘家”之后可以完美的融入大家庭,共用蒸汽轮机的后勤体系,能显著有效的改善俄罗斯海军缺丁少口的局面。

  这一战略设想俄罗斯肯定有过考虑,毕竟俄罗斯军工水平日渐下降,到如今连翻修舰艇都会存在困难,求助外力是最直接有效的解决方法。但俄罗斯却迟迟没有付诸行动,想必这背后是作为前超级大国的惋惜和不甘,是对国际地位与尊严的渴求。但现实的情况是俄罗斯的经济状态并不能支撑起这些野心,其军费开支逐年下降,军舰建造维修日渐困难,最终还是会无奈的走上订购中国武器的路。

  为了避免这一情况,俄罗斯则想出了一个看似不卑不亢的点子,即与中国合作研究建造武器装备,比如C929大飞机、重型直升机等。但这终归需要一个很长周期,要想短时间提升海军实力最好的方法还是回购中国的现代级,而俄罗斯究竟何时能放下架子乞中国之援手也让我们拭目以待。(鸟巢军武评论 白鸩)





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中国军舰下饺子俄只能造3千吨小船 建航母只能求中国
2017年07月18日 11:46 新浪军事
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  俄罗斯是现代中国军事的老师,截止1953年,在中国陆军系统的苏联顾问共294人,辅助人员79人,在海军系统的苏联顾问103人,辅助人员12人,总计488人。

  军事总顾问最初是由苏联首任驻华使馆武官科托夫中将兼任,50年10月以后,斯大林派苏军副总参谋长扎哈罗夫大将作为其私人代表来到中国,不久便接任了军事总顾问的职务。随后又有上万苏联顾问来华。

  帮助我国发展工业,特别是军事工业,奠定了我国军工工业的基础。但是,现在,俄罗斯由于经济等原因,在一些大型武器研发上,已经落后于中国。特别是海军方面的大型水面军舰方面。

  俄罗斯现在只能为海军建造3000吨级以下小型军舰,甚至俄罗斯海军发射巡航导弹的海上作战平台只是一款1000吨级的小型护卫舰。只能在岸基航空兵保护下,在自己的领海发射。而没有远海作战能力。

  现在以不求人不服输铁血硬汉形象示人的俄罗斯,如果想要建造神盾舰,两栖攻击舰甚至是核航母,也只能求助于中国进行合作研发和生产。
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  现在在宽体客机,重型直升机等等方面,中俄已经开始了合作研发。在可预见的未来,中俄也将会共同研发新型军舰,比如应对美军核潜艇的大型反潜驱逐舰等等。(作者署名:精兵堂)
 
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UK, Dutch & Danish navies escort Chinese warships heading to Baltic for drills with Russia (PHOTOS)
Published time: 19 Jul, 2017 12:37
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British, Dutch and Danish ships have escorted a trio of Chinese vessels which are heading to the Baltic Sea to conduct the first stage of joint drills with Russian ships.

“A Chinese frigate, a supply ship and a destroyer are passing through Danish waters. We are escorting [them] as part of the normal surveillance we have in our territorial waters,” Klaus Thing Rasmussen, senior duty officer at the Danish military operations center, told the DR broadcaster.

Rasmussen, however, declined to reveal the exact location of the Chinese ships.

Patruljeskibet Najaden følger de kinesiske fartøjer. Der er tale om en fregat, et forsyningsskib og en destroyer, som ses her. #dkforsvarpic.twitter.com/zg4JACOqAt
— Forsvaret (@forsvaretdk) July 18, 2017

“We sent one unit out to them last night, when they were approaching Danish waters. It will take around a day in total until they leave again near Bornholm, where they entered, and we will escort them the entire way,” he said.

“Our position is that there is free passage through the Baltic Sea, and the Danish Navy acts as a stopper in the gap. That means we accompany foreign state vessels as part of our surveillance of Danish waters,” he added.

The Chinese flotilla hasn't had much time to itself as it moves towards the Baltic. On Monday, the Dutch navy confirmed that its fleet had also dispatched an escort.

Van Amstel getasked om vanavond Chinese taakgroep (DDG-173, FFG-571 en AOR-964) te begeleiden tijdens passage Noordzee. Relatief nieuw spul! pic.twitter.com/j50rW3sxXT
— Rob Verkerk (@GeneraalVerkerk) July 16, 2017

“Footage at first light of the Chinese Task Group passing the North Sea towards the Baltic region, escorted by HNLMS Van Amstel,” Rob Verkerk‏, commander of the Royal Netherlands Navy, wrote on Twitter.

Footage at first light of the Chinese Task Group passing the North Sea towards the Baltic region, escorted by HNLMS Van Amstel. pic.twitter.com/1YHboTTSqa
— Rob Verkerk (@GeneraalVerkerk) July 17, 2017

The ‘HNLMS Van Amstel’ (F831), a Karel Doorman-class ship, is one of the multipurpose frigates of the Dutch navy.

Additional footage taken from NH-90 of @dhcluchtmacht. https://t.co/6qo7nsjt9Jpic.twitter.com/h49icKex2Y
— Rob Verkerk (@GeneraalVerkerk) July 17, 2017

During the weekend, the Chinese vessels were also escorted by ‘HMS Richmond’, a Type 23 frigate of the UK Royal Navy.

“We can confirm that ‘HMS Richmond’ has escorted a Chinese Navy Task Group through the UK area of interest,” a Royal Navy spokesperson told the Sun.
HMS Richmond FILE PHOTO © Royal Navy

READ MORE: China’s advanced destroyer to take part in joint drills with Russia in Baltic Sea

The Baltic phase of the Russian-Chinese exercise starts on Friday, and will involve about a dozen warships in addition to military aircraft and helicopters from both sides, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Monday.

Chinese forces are scheduled to arrive in the naval base of Baltiysk in Russia's Kaliningrad Region on July 21 for an official welcoming ceremony. The active phase of the drills will be held between July 24 and 27.

Earlier in July, the Chinese navy said that the Type 052D ‘Hefei’ destroyer would be deployed for the drills. The warship is accompanied by the missile frigate ‘Yuncheng’ and the ‘Luomahu’ replenishment ship.

The second stage of the Chinese-Russian drills will continue in the Sea of Japan and the Sea of Okhotsk in September.
 
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