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Naval Confrontation Game in Indian Ocean!



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外媒称中国派052D舰及侦察船进印度洋 监视印军演

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  据参考消息7月6日报道,英媒称,一个月来,印中军方在洞朗地区陷入僵持局面。在这种背景下,中国向印度洋地区部署了一艘潜艇。

  据英国《每日邮报》网站7月3日报道,目前正在穿越印度洋的是中国的“元”级常规柴电潜艇,性能优于印度老化的潜艇。

  报道称,这艘潜艇得到中国海军潜艇支援舰崇明岛舰的支持。印度方面注意到了最近进入印度洋地区的这艘潜艇的动向。印度海军强调了中国海军在印度洋地区活动的增加。

  报道称,中国的军舰和潜艇3年前就出现在印度洋地区,表面上看是为了在亚丁湾的反海盗行动。但是最初中国在2013年和2014年时只是派出了由3艘军舰组成的小型舰队,目前在印度周边海域活动的中国军舰越来越多。

  最近,印度卫星和海军方面在印度洋地区发现了至少14艘中国海军舰船。这其中包括最新型的“旅洋”Ⅲ级驱逐舰(052D型驱逐舰)。这些中国舰船配备了地空导弹和远程导弹,正在远离本国后院、靠近印度的区域投放兵力。印度海军的远程监控平台一直在关注并记录中国海军在印度洋的一举一动。

  一名印度高级军官对该国的《今日邮报》说:“近些年来,我们的实力大大增强。许多队伍的力量都成倍增长。我们也覆盖了整个地区。”

  报道称,印度方面在2013年12月发现了第一艘中国核潜艇。这艘“商”级核动力潜艇在印度周边水域部署了将近3个月,一直到2014年2月。去年,中国分别部署了一艘“汉”级核潜艇和一艘常规潜艇。这些潜艇在半年多的时间里在印度洋四处窥探。

  报道称,印度海军今年发现的“元”级潜艇是中国在2017年派往印度洋地区的首艘潜艇。对印度来说,令人担心的是,中国在增加舰船部署活动的同时,还向印度洋部署了水文测量和海洋考察船以及间谍船,并绘制了海床地图。包括水深数据在内的众多资料具体显示了特定深度的水流和噪音,而海床情况对于部署潜艇至关重要。

  消息人士对《今日印度》周刊说,中国海军的远洋电子技术侦察船海王星号本月进入了印度洋。这艘配备了先进设备的“间谍船”被部署到这里的任务之一是搜集电子情报。它能够捕捉电子信号,并将其发回中国进行分析。

  印度政府获悉,这艘“间谍船”来印度洋地区是为了监视从7日开始举行的印美日“马拉巴尔”年度海上联合军演。之前这艘船也曾被用来监视印美海上演习。




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张召忠谈中印对峙:中国几艘潜艇进印度洋就令印忌惮
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  边界对峙还没消停,这两天印度媒体又开始炒作中国威胁论,印度多家媒体报道,中国军舰在印度洋活动,还特别报道了中国潜艇。

  报道称,现在通过印度洋的是中国常规动力“元”级潜艇,优良于印度的老旧潜艇。印度媒体话里行间,一股醋味。

  印度媒体如此关注中国潜艇,无非是两方面原因,一是转移关注焦点,二是借机唱中国威胁论的同时,印度媒体展现出对自己潜艇的不满与期待。

  印度媒体大费心机唱潜艇这出戏,印度海军,特别是印度潜艇实力究竟如何?

  印度潜艇部队实力,取决于购买能力,印度作为装备购买大国,进口武器成为印度装备的主要来源。

  当前印度海军共有两个潜艇基地、4个常规潜艇中队、13艘常规动力潜艇和两艘核潜艇。

  15艘潜艇中有一艘是从俄罗斯租借,也就是为航母群护航任务的阿库拉级攻击型核潜艇。

  除此之外,2013年8月,由于导弹装填发生错误操作,印度海军辛杜拉克沙克”号潜艇在孟买港爆炸,彻底报废,同时导致停泊在旁边的“辛杜拉特纳”号潜艇受损。

  这次事件后,印度可以使用的潜艇只有13艘,其中4艘在接受长期维修。印度海军潜艇主要是由辛杜科什级潜艇(俄罗斯基洛级)9艘,希舒马尔级潜艇(德国209型)4艘组成,潜艇多老旧。

  印度是世界上经济发展最快的发展中国家之一,有一颗远洋梦,若印度海军要履行远洋海军职能,就必须拥有3至6艘弹道导弹核潜艇、6艘攻击核潜艇和20艘常规潜艇。

  弹道导弹核潜艇是印度的弱项,正在进行海试,唯一的一艘攻击核潜艇是2012年租借俄罗斯鲨鱼级核潜艇,常规动力潜艇数量严重不足。

  印度潜艇力量强弱很大程度上取决于采购“热情”,而对于潜艇需求印度也是非常纠结,一方面想要自己建造,一方面又需要购买国外潜艇补充目前潜艇力量的不足。

  2015年印度政府批准了140亿美元的资金,计划用于建造6艘核动力攻击潜艇,但是海军的问题并不在于缺乏计划。

  早在1999年初印度批准了“国产潜艇30年计划”这个计划设想建设两条生产线,分别与两家国外潜艇制造商合作,各生产6艘潜艇,与此同时,印度开始本土潜艇研发设计,预计到2030年拥有大约24艘现代化常规动力潜艇。

  与两家国外潜艇制造商的项目,其中一家制造商制造的第一艘潜艇于2017年正式列编,而与另一家制造商直至2010年还尚未签订任何合同。

  所以,印度媒体看见中国军舰、潜艇服役像下饺子似的,再回头看看自家的潜艇,自家现役常规潜艇,心中难免嫉妒。

  这不,印度心中拥有一个强国梦,虽说印度军备是万国造,不过就凭着敢花钱,花大钱的性格,常常进口一些尖端武器。



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  比如今年6月26日,印度总理莫迪与特朗普首次会见,不仅来了个熊抱,还谈成了一笔大买卖——美国向印度出售22架“海上守卫者”武装无人机,售价达到20亿美元。

  什么概念呢?美国最先进的隐身飞机F-35的价格才8000多万美元,如果日后中国J-20量产估计也就1亿美元,而印度居然用1亿美元的单价买了22架无人机。印度要做什么?

  “海上守卫者”被设计用于在开放海域和近岸水域监视,所有型别的设计飞行高度均为12192m、最大平飞速度约为389km/h、巡航时间约40小时。该机有6个外挂架,可以发射小型空地导弹、反坦克导弹和制导炸弹。

  除了说阿三哥有钱,还要知道阿三哥买无人机的目的主要是为了部署在安达曼群岛一带,就是马六甲海峡这个咽喉要道,用于监视核潜艇。

  如此一来,印度就可以监视印度洋和太平洋交界地区,监视这个地方,说得明白点,从此以后印度就可以监视中国海军在这里的动态。

  虽说印度自己的军备建造能力不足,但是未来,随着印度人口红利增长,印度经济发展,可用于军费的资金将大量增加,印度的军事实力也会大幅提升。

  总之,印度真不傻,即便潜艇暂时没办法在一个水平,那就玩非对称战略,当然印度无人机究竟效果几何,还得等几年再讨论了。(作者署名:局座召忠)
 
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印度空军米格23战机坠毁 3天内已损失两架军机(图)
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   海外网7月6日电 印度亚洲国际新闻社(ANI)报道,印度军方一架米格-23战机在该国西北部拉贾斯坦邦(位于巴基斯坦附近)坠毁。

  该社在推特上发文称:“印度空军一架米格-23战机在久德普尔地区的Balesar居民点坠毁。”

  据报道,2名飞行员已弹射逃生。

  新闻延伸:印军直升机在中印边境坠毁

  据海外网7月5日报道,一架印度空军直升机于星期二在中印边境失联,警方称,经过一天的搜索,目前已发现了飞机的残骸。据报道,星期二天气非常恶劣,失联直升机上有三名机组人员。
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  据《印度时报》报道,印度阿鲁纳恰尔邦警察队,于当地时间周三,在一处深谷中发现了前日失踪的印度空军直升机的残骸。搜救小组在抵达坠机现场之后发现了两具肢体残缺的尸体。

  从残骸照片上看,此次坠落的应该是印度的“北极星”轻型无人机,专门为高原地区进行过性能特化,具备3500米悬停能力。据悉,飞机起飞时机上有3名机组人员。

  一名警察表示,“由于坠毁现场是在一处非常深的峡谷中,救援队需要花费一定时间才能到达。”据此前报道,4日下午4时左右,这架轻型直升机(ALP)是从印度东北部阿萨姆邦的提斯浦尔(Tezpur)空军基地起飞的。该架直升机正在一个洪水泛滥区执行援救任务。

  由于当时天气十分恶劣,这架直升机在印度东北偏远地区的“阿鲁纳恰尔邦”(中方称“藏南地区”)与地面失去联系。

  报道称,在季风雨的影响下,当地已出现洪水和山体滑坡。



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1B1R PRC reminding Ah Nehs: Today you are much further behind us than in 1962, from a tiny gap widen to a huge gap after 45 yrs!


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今天印度有实力挑战中国吗 对华差距远比1962年更大

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  新浪军事编者:为了更好的为读者呈现多样军事内容,满足读者不同阅读需求,共同探讨国内国际战略动态,新浪军事独家推出《深度军情》版块,深度解读军事新闻背后的隐藏态势,立体呈现中国面临的复杂军事战略环境,欢迎关注。

  近日印度军队越过中印边界锡金段阻碍中国边防部队的正常活动。中国外交部和国防部同时发表要求印方遵守历史界约规定,警告印度“性质非常严重”,中国可能用“一切必要措施”维护主权,并且正告印军中的个别人汲取历史教训,停止发表叫嚣战争的危险言论。而据《印度斯坦时报》6月30日报道,针对中国近日提及1962年战争,要求印度从历史中吸取教训,印度国防部长Arun Jaitley 对媒体公开表示,2017年的印度已经和1962年的印度不一样了。

  从1962年到2017年整整过去了55个年头。应该承认,55年时间不短,印度从国力军力到兵力兵器都发生了巨大的变化。但印度国防部长也应该看到,中国同样也不是停滞不前的。事实上,在40年代末两国建国后的很长一段时间里,印度凭借着英国殖民者打下的基础和良好地缘政治优势,国力在很长一段时间内是优于中国的;而中国则展现出了蓬勃的追赶劲头,各项工农指标快速增长。不过,当时针走到1962年时,具体到中印边境那场战争时,两国实际上是各有优劣的。

  1962年中印两国各有优劣


  从数据上看,印度1962年名义GDP429亿美元,中国为472亿美元,两国相差不大;但若按人均计算印度为92美元,中国只有70美元。

  不过真实情况可能会更严重一点,因为中国国内,刚刚遭受了三年自然灾害和“大跃进”运动,给国民经济造成了很大损失,在台湾的国民党军也加紧准备反攻大陆,西藏达赖集团组织了一些地区性暴乱,内部压力很大;国外,美国继续对中国进行孤立封锁政策,中苏翻脸导致苏联开始中止对华援助并大批撤离专家,对中国工业造成了较大的打击,很多工厂被迫停止生产重新摸索。可以说,1962年是中国比较虚弱的一个年代。

  相反,印度在尼赫鲁的带领下,60年代初则处于风生水起的年代。国际上,印度成为了“不结盟运动”的带头人,影响力巨大,成为了美苏英争相拉拢的目标;国内,印度按照计划经济的模式,受到苏联大规模的援助,一大批工业开始建设;在军事上,印度在1961年突然发动对葡萄牙军队占据的果阿、达曼和第乌的军事行动,在36个小时内击败了对手,取得了辉煌的胜利。这场军事胜利也导致了印度政府和军队野心爆棚。

  当然,中国也是有自己的优势,其中最大的优势就是军队质量。1962年这个时间点,正是志愿军从朝鲜完全撤出之后的第五年,基层指战员的实战经验和战斗意志仍处于巅峰;是56式枪族列装部队的第六年,一线部队已经完成了轻武器的换装形成了战斗力。可以说,当时的解放军不惧世界任何强军的挑战,更不用说自大狂妄但战斗力低下的印度军队。中国当年还有一个巨大的优势就是基本完成社会改造,两个五年计划使得工业体系已经基本形成,抗美援朝的胜利全国人民空前团结,教育发展使得人民的素质大大优于印度。

1962 Indian Hero LTA Singh Platoon Commander's platoon faced about 1000 PLA, after all the rest of Indians fled, but his platoon could not run, he did not surrender, KIA.
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  印军英雄辛格中尉,号称指挥一个排抵抗近千名中国士兵的进攻直到战死


  综合以上情况,中印在国力上各有优劣。应该说,印度选择在1962年挑战中国,还得到了世界几乎所有大国的支持,是有胜利的机会的,可结果却是自取其辱。通过这场战争,中国不但实现了“一场胜仗管30年”的估计,更粉碎了超级大国利用印度牵制中国的美梦。

  2017年中国已对印度形成压倒性优势


  如果说60年代初中印的国力还相差不大,那到了今天,两国的差距已经远远拉开了距离。数据还是最能反映问题,中国2016年GDP为11万亿美元,而印度只有2.1万亿美元,还不到中国的五分之一;人均GDP中国为8865美元,印度仅为1820美元。

  当然由于GDP的构成比较繁杂各国计算方式也不一样,误差比较大,所以人们在对比国力的时候更愿意对比第二产业,即工业产值。那么中印的对比是多少呢?中国的第二产业占GDP总量约40%,约5万亿美元,不但拥有世界唯一的全产业链,而且规模也是世界第一。而印度只有24%左右,只有0.5万亿,相差将近10倍,而且工业门类不齐全,很多重要工业品依然严重依赖进口。

  google地图显示某船厂同时建造4艘盾舰

  工业产值是现代国家国力最重要的体现,以前大清GDP很高,但在工业化的英法联军面前就是被碾压;二战时候日本挑战美国,也是被美国强大工业能力活活压死的。现在,世界工业中心已经转移到了中国,数据显示,从钢产量到造船、汽车、通讯器材等世界上最重要的工业品,中国绝大多数都是无可撼动第一。这意味着如果需要的话,凭借中国强大的工业能力,可以轻松下饺子扩充军备(中国最近5年下水了七十多艘军用舰船,其中包括航空母舰和055这样的大型装备,新下水的军舰总吨位和战斗力就远超印度海军),而印度一旦失去了外界援助,就很大程度上失去了维持战争的能力。

  军事实力上实力的对比也在拉大。2015年中国军费开支为1458亿美元,而印度480亿美元,相差三倍以上。体现在武器装备上,中国军队可以自研并装备歼20、航空母舰、99A坦克等各种先进武器,而印度的主战武器则主要依赖进口,而且非常复杂,对后勤是个严峻考验;其自行研制的LCA、阿琼主战坦克简直成了军工界的笑话。在现代高科技的战争条件下,解放军优势会非常明显。

  综合国力还有其他体现,这里小编引用了2011年中印主要社会经济指标的一个表格。

  当然,和1962年相比,印度也有不变的,比如严重的种姓、民族、宗教问题,政府执政效率问题,土地兼并问题,人民中文盲半文盲问题,妇女地位问题……这些都是制约印度发展的大问题,而中国在新中国成立后就逐步解决了这些问题(当然也有新的问题出现)。无怪乎有人说,印度和中国的差距是一个毛泽东。

  应该承认,和中国一直饱受国际上的打压相比,印度一向拥有较好的国际环境,这是印度的优势。但某些大国扶持印度,更多地是出于制衡中国的考量,而不是真心为了发展印度。这一点,从各大国争相在输出军火上轮流坑印度就可见一斑。但印度似乎也乐意做这样的角色,近年来,印度不但频频在南海东南亚刷存在感,在中印边境上也频繁搞小动作,在国际竞争上也屡屡站在了中国的对面……可尽管有如此好的外部环境,印度的国力依然还是和中国越差越远。今天印度再次在边境问题上搞事情,小编不禁感慨,看来55个年头的时间确实够长了,有些人好了伤疤已经忘了疼了,也许是该给他们新的教训的时候了!(作者署名:进击的熊爸爸)


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  1962年中印之战之后,美国驻印大使在向华盛顿的报告说:新德里出现了极度的惊慌,这是我生平第一次看到一个民族士气的瓦解。印度阿萨姆邦已经开始组织居民撤退,银行已经烧毁了30万磅的印度纸币,邦政府正准备对电厂、自来水厂等重要设施进行毁坏性爆破——第二天全印广播电台反复播放印度国歌,印度好像即将亡国。

  印度军队近日越过中印边界锡金段阻碍中国边防部队的正常活动已经愈演愈烈,中国外交部和国防部同时要求印方遵守历史界约规定,警告印度“性质非常严重”,中国可能用“一切必要措施”维护主权,正告印军中的个别人汲取历史教训,停止发表叫嚣战争的危险言论。而据《印度斯坦时报》6月30日报道,针对中国提及1962年战争,要求印度从历史中吸取教训,印度国防部长Arun Jaitley 对媒体公开表示:2017年的印度已经和1962年的印度不一样了。

  从1962年到2017年整整过去了55个年头。应该承认,半个世纪又5年的时间确实不算短,印度从国力军力到兵力兵器也都发生了巨大的变化。但印度国防部长似乎更应该看到,中国同样在这55年间也没有停滞不前。事实上,在上世纪40年代末两国建国后的很长一段时间里,印度凭借着英国殖民者打下的基础和良好地缘政治优势,国力在很长一段时间内是优于中国的;而中国则展现出了蓬勃的追赶劲头,各项指标快速增长。不过,当时针走到1962年时,具体到中印边境那场战争时,两国实际上是各有优劣的。

  1962年GDP:印度人均92美元,中国70美元!

  从数据上看,印度1962年名义GDP为429亿美元,中国为472亿美元,两国相差不大;但若按人均计算印度为92美元,中国只有70美元。

  不过真实情况似乎更严重,因为中国国内刚刚遭受了三年自然灾害和“大跃进”运动的失败,国民经济损失很大,而台湾地区的国民党军也加紧准备反攻大陆,军事压力很大;而在国际上,美国继续对中国进行孤立封锁政策,中苏翻脸导致苏联开始终止对华援助并大批撤离专家,对中国工业造成了较大的打击,很多工厂被迫停止生产重新摸索。可以说,1962年是中国比较虚弱的一个年代。

  相反,印度在尼赫鲁的带领下,60年代初则处于风生水起的年代。国际上,印度成为了“不结盟运动”的带头人,影响力巨大,成为了美苏英争相拉拢的目标;国内,印度按照计划经济的模式,受到苏联大规模的援助,一大批工业开始建设;在军事上,印度在1961年突然发动对葡萄牙军队占据的果阿、达曼和第乌的军事行动,在36个小时内击败了对手,取得了辉煌的胜利。这场军事胜利也导致了印度政府和军队野心爆棚。

  当然,中国也是有自己的优势,其中最大的优势就是军队质量。1962年这个时间点,正是志愿军从朝鲜完全撤出之后的第五年,基层指战员的实战经验和战斗意志仍处于巅峰;是56式枪族列装部队的第六年,一线部队已经完成了轻武器的换装形成了战斗力。

  综合以上情况,中印在国力上各有优劣。应该说,印度选择在1962年挑战中国,还得到了世界几乎所有大国的支持,似乎是有胜利的机会的,可结果却是自取其辱。通过这场战争,中国不但实现了“一场胜仗管30年”的估计,更粉碎了超级大国利用印度牵制中国的美梦。

  2017年:中国对印度形成压倒性优势!

  如果说上世纪60年代初中印的国力还相差不大,那么到了今天,两国的差距已经远远拉开了距离。据最新的统计数据,中国2016年GDP为11万亿美元,而印度只有2.1万亿美元,还不到中国的五分之一;而人均GDP中国为8865美元,印度仅为1820美元,也是在五分之一左右。

  当然由于GDP的构成比较繁杂各国计算方式也不一样,误差比较大,所以人们在对比国力的时候更愿意对比第二产业,即工业实力。那么中印的对比是多少呢?中国的第二产业占GDP总量约40%,约5万亿,不但拥有世界唯一的全产业链,而且规模也是世界第一。而印度只有24%左右,只有0.5万亿,相差将近10倍,而且工业门类不齐全,很多重要工业品依然严重依赖进口。这意味着如果需要的话,凭借中国强大的工业能力,可以轻松下饺子扩充军备,而印度一旦失去了外界援助,就很大程度上失去了维持战争的能力。

  中国军费:三倍于印度!不过,这只是一个方面!

  军事实力上实力的对比也在拉大。2015年中国军费开支为1458亿美元,而印度480亿美元,相差三倍以上。体现在武器装备上,中国军队可以自研并装备歼20、航空母舰、99A坦克等各种先进武器,而印度的主战武器则主要依赖进口,而且非常复杂,对后勤是个严峻考验;其自行研制的LCA、阿琼主战坦克简直成了军工界的笑话。在现代高科技的战争条件下,解放军优势会非常明显。

  当然,与1962年相比,印度也有不变的,比如严重的种姓、民族、宗教问题,政府执政效率问题,土地兼并问题,人民中文盲半文盲问题,妇女地位问题……这些都是制约印度发展的大问题,而中国在新中国成立后就逐步解决了这些问题。无怪乎有人说,印度和中国的差距:是一个毛泽东。

  应该承认,印度一向拥有较好的国际环境,这点从1962年至今就没变过。但所谓的大国扶持印度,更多地是因为制衡中国的考量,而不是真心为了印度的发展。这一点,从各大国争相在输出军火上轮流坑印度就可见一斑。但印度似乎也乐意做这样的角色,近年来,印度不但频频在南海东南亚刷“存在感”,在中印边境上也频繁搞小动作,在国际竞争上也屡屡站在了中国的对头……看来,55个年头的时间确实够长了,印度的有些人似乎好了伤疤忘了疼了,那么,是不是又到了该给它们新的教训的时候了,答案似乎不会远了!(作者署名:第一军情评论员 进击的熊爸爸)


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From Tibet to whack New Delhi is only less than 400km the cheapest DF-11A missile is more than sufficient.


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Big fun when they can do the KILL WHILE LOOKING TO THE EYES THING, sending off your soul to hell and watch you get there in your eyes as I kill you!

Himalayan war field is the only place on earth that you can fight & kill closet to heavens.War on Roof Top of the World, like 武侠片:

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Himalayan Stand-Off Makes It an Awkward G-20 for Xi and Modi

By Iain Marlow
and Keith Zhai
July 7, 2017, 12:28 AM EDT July 7, 2017, 5:50 AM EDT

Xi and Modi both addressed BRICS event on sidelines of G-20
Comes amid renewal of tensions over their disputed border

Xi Jinping. Photographer: Krisztian Bocsi/Bloomberg

Things might have been a little awkward when Chinese President Xi Jinping and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi saw each other on the sidelines of the Group of 20 meeting in Germany.

Far from the plush leaders events in Hamburg, China and India are facing the resurgence of a decades-long dispute over a remote area of the Himalayas. The interruption of summits by such tensions is a regular event, but both sides are now invoking memories of a 1962 border war in which Maoist China defeated newly-independent India.

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While the latest flareup is likely to be resolved diplomatically, it adds to an increasingly fraught relationship between the nuclear powers as they jostle for influence in South Asia. India’s fast-growing economy is fueling its ambitions and ties to the west, while Beijing is asserting territorial claims in the East China Sea, South China Sea and remote Himalayan passes.

Xi and Modi addressed an informal meeting on Friday of leaders of the BRICS -- Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa -- nations, which was held alongside the G-20 summit. There were no plans for a direct sit down.

Both leaders told the BRICS gathering that member countries needed to remain committed to an open global economy and fighting climate change. They did not mention the acrimonious border conflict.

"It has to be seen as part of a larger pattern, where they are becoming assertive, and they’re getting into this habit of enforcing their claims that are contested, and sometimes imagined, disregarding the views of others," said Ashok Kantha, a former Indian ambassador to China and head of the Institute for Chinese Studies in New Delhi.

The countries disagree over who started the most recent skirmish and what happens next, with both sides declining to back down.
BRICS Summit

Some China observers say Indian troops crossed the border -- around the time Modi met U.S. President Donald Trump in Washington, and ahead of the G-20 -- to remind the world that India is able to contain Chinese ambitions. In China, it’s particularly sensitive because it comes before China hosts a major BRICS summit in September that was personally endorsed by Xi.

“Both China and India are rising powers, but apparently China’s development is faster and it has greater global influence,” said Zhou Gang, a former Chinese ambassador to India. “India is not comfortable with that. They are jealous,” Zhou said. “When the Indian government wants to stir up its nationalism, China becomes the easiest target.”

New Delhi is wary of Beijing’s infrastructure projects in Pakistan and other neighboring countries. At the same time, Beijing is seeking to build its clout through its Belt and Road trade initiative and believes India’s resistance reflects a fear of China’s rise.

Stand-offs between India and China have occurred in the past, including when Xi visited New Delhi in 2014. In recent years, both sides have sought to build roads and other infrastructure leading up to their shared border.

The current dispute is at a three-way junction between Bhutan, China’s Tibet and India’s Sikkim.

Bhutan’s Foreign Ministry said a Chinese road-building party crossed into its territory on June 16. India later said Bhutanese troops attempted to dissuade the People’s Liberation Army-escorted construction team. After that failed, Indian personnel in the region approached and "urged them to desist from changing the status quo."

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said Indian troops crossed into China, "breaching" historical conventions and violating international law.

"It is the Indian side who takes ‘protecting Bhutan’ as an excuse to justify its boundary-crossing and entry into China," he said in a briefing on Thursday.
‘Look Down’

India’s Defense Minister Arun Jaitley, alluding to India’s painful loss more than half-a-century ago, said the India of today is different. Army chief Bipin Rawat visited the area, and earlier in June -- just before the stand-off -- said his forces could cope with a multi front war against China and Pakistan, according to a Times of India report.

For its part, China’s state-owned Global Times said in an editorial the Chinese "look down" on India’s military and "India will suffer greater losses than in 1962 if it incites military conflicts."

In remarks to the Press Trust of India, China’s current ambassador to India said the situation was "grave" and India’s troops must pull out before there are any talks. The ambassador did not rule out a war. "There has been talk of that option," he was quoted as saying.

"The trouble is, this stand off is really one where the Chinese have said they will clearly not back down,” said Alka Acharya, an international relations professor at Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi. "In earlier standoffs, they were looking for a face saving device, where they can go back to the status quo."

The risk is the border tensions become further entrenched in the bigger tussle for influence.

"It reflects a broader deterioration in the relationship, and reflects some sort of a concern that India is taking a more aggressive stance," said Harsh Pant, a professor of international relations at King’s College London. "India is the only major power that is standing up to China on multiple levels."
 

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Chinese Media Says India Needs to Be Taught a 'Bitter Lesson' Over Its Border Dispute
Joseph Hincks
Jul 05, 2017

An editorial that ran in China's Global Times Tuesday has ramped up the rhetoric in an ongoing military dispute along a portion of the Sino-Indian border.

The English-language Global Times is published under the aegis of the Chinese Communist Party mouthpiece, the People's Daily.

Under the headline, "India will suffer worse losses than in 1962 if it incites border clash" the newspaper said that New Delhi needed to be taught "a bitter lesson" for allegedly trespassing across the border in Sikkim border, known in China as Donglang.

The headline refers to the year China launched offensives against India in the Ladakh region.

“We firmly believe that the face-off in the Donglang area will end up with the Indian troops in retreat," the editorial said. "The Indian military can choose to return to its territory with dignity, or be kicked out of the area by Chinese soldiers.”

It continued: “The Chinese public is infuriated by India’s provocation. We believe the Chinese People’s Liberation Army is powerful enough to expel Indian troops out of Chinese territory.”

Willy Lam, a professor at The Chinese University of Hong Kong's centre for China studies, tells TIME that while hawkish editorials do not necessarily reflect the intention of the Chinese government, "this unusually pugilistic article [is] geared toward establishing the moral high ground for China."

It's unlikely Beijing would want to risk an accidental skirmish with India, let alone a full-fledged war similar to that in 1962 — particularly in the midst of North Korean missile tests and diplomatic tension on multiple fronts over maritime borders. Nevertheless, says Lam, "Xi wants to appear strong and "in control" in the run-up to a critical party congress scheduled for late autumn."
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China and Pakistan Military Tests Flank India, Boost Tensions in Asia

By Tom O'Connor On 7/7/17 at 12:08 PM

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China and Pakistan this week each demonstrated their military might at a time of heightened tensions with neighboring India.

The Chinese and Pakistani governments have close military and economic ties, and both are involved in border disputes with India: The contested Kashmir region has been a flashpoint between India and Pakistan for decades, and claims over land on the Sino-Indian border have led to confrontation in recent weeks.

China’s decision to carry out live-fire military drills near its border region of Tibet nearly coincided with Pakistan’s test launch of a nuclear-capable missile this week.

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“We have repeatedly said the Indian troops...illegally crossed the delimited Sikkim section of the China-India boundary mutually recognized by the two sides,” a spokesman for China’s foreign ministry, Geng Shuang, said Thursday during a routine press briefing.

“That is essentially different from the previous border frictions and stand-offs between the two border troops in undefined areas,” Shuang said. “India’s trespass into China’s territory has changed the status quo which can only be recovered when the Indian side withdraws.”

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Shuang’s comments referred to an incident last month when China said Indian soldiers crossed the international boundary between the Indian state of Sikkim and the Chinese region of Tibet, sparking a verbal dispute. India has since accused China of compromising the security of nearby Bhutan, an ally of India’s, by constructing roads close to the border region shared by the three nations. China has dismissed these claims and has, in turn, accused India of militarizing its side of the border, Reuters reported.

Amid the heightened tensions, The Global Times, a nationalist outlet aligned with China’s ruling Communist Party, urged Beijing to "reconsider its stance" over its recognition of Sikkim as an Indian state, which China only recognized in 2003, The Hindustan Times reported. Indian concerns were exacerbated by China’s recent live-fire drills in the mountainous border region. The exercises were reportedly intended to test the high-altitude capabilities of its new Type 96B tank and assess “battlefield environment analysis, combat operations command, combat coordination and other real combat and live-fire shooting training,” according to a report published by China’s state-run Xinhua News Agency and translated by the Times of India.

While India deals with military tension on its far eastern border, it was called out by name by its northern rival, Pakistan, which has been independent from India since 1947 and since that time has fought four wars with its longtime foe. One of the most contentious disputes is over the territory of Kashmir, which lies on Pakistan and India’s mutual border and has been the source of a number of violent and even fatal incidents over the decades.

Escalations between Pakistan and India risk far-reaching consequences, because both countries possess nuclear weapons and neither is a signatory to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. Earlier this week, one of Pakistan’s top generals flaunted his country’s defense capabilities by testing an advanced version of its surface-to-surface, nuclear-capable NASR missile and dismissing India’s so-called Cold Start doctrine of preventing a Pakistani nuclear attack through conventional preemptive strikes.

RTX32C1O Pakistani military personnel stand beside a short-range NASR surface-to-surface ballistic missile during the Pakistan Day military parade in Islamabad, March 23. Pakistan tested its high-precision, nuclear-capable projectile amid a heated spat between China and India, July 5. Faisal Mahmood/Reuters

“NASR has put cold water on Cold Start,” Pakistani Chief of Army Staff General Qamar Javed Bajwa told troops with the Army Strategic Force, according to a press release issued Wednesday. It added that Pakistan did not seek war but only to protect against “a highly militarized and increasingly belligerent neighbor.”

Both China and Pakistan have called for peace in the region and displayed aversion to instigating a wider regional conflict. Since 2013, the two countries have embarked on creating the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, a multibillion-dollar project designed to improve trade infrastructure between the nations. The project corresponds with China’s greater Belt and Road Initiative, which seeks to reestablish and expand historic land and sea trading routes through Asia to the Middle East, Europe and Africa.

China’s decision to include Pakistan as a hub for this initiative has the potential to make the South Asian country a global economic leader, according to experts cited in The Express Tribune, a Pakistani outlet affiliated with The New York Times.
 

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Amidst growing belligerence at border, China outguns India's naval abilities in Indian Ocean Region 1 to 4

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By Abheet Singh Sethi

China's People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLA-N) has 283 major surface combatant warships, four times more than those under the control of the Indian Navy (66), according to an IndiaSpend analysis of publicly available data.

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China's widening naval capabilities compared to India can be seen in the context of the PLA-N’s growing presence in the Indian Ocean region. "Chinese activity in the Indian Ocean has touched a new high in recent months,” according to an Indian Navy official, The Hindustan Times reported on July 5, 2017.

The Indian Navy has sighted over a dozen PLA-N warships, submarines and intelligence-gathering vessels in the Indian Ocean in the last few months.

These sightings come as the Indian and Chinese troops are locked in a three-week long standoff at the India-China-Bhutan tri-junction near Sikkim, leading to increasingly belligerent rhetoric between New Delhi and Beijing.

Comparing inventories

The PLA-N has 26 destroyers, more than twice as many as India (11). Destroyers are both the PLA-N and IN’s frontline warships that possess powerful radars, can travel long distances and are capable of fulfilling land attack, missile defence, and surface and anti-submarine warfare. This makes them very powerful tools for power projection.

China recently launched its indigenously developed 12,000-tonne Type 55 destroyer, which “is considerably larger and more powerful than India’s latest … destroyers which have still not been commissioned”, according to NDTV Defence Editor Vishnu Som.

China's Type-55 will eventually have around 120 missiles of various types. India’s most powerful destroyer, the yet-to-be commissioned Project 15-B “Visakhapatnam” class destroyers, will have 50 missiles.
Representational image. Reuters

Representational image. Reuters

The PLA-N has 52 frigates, nearly four times as many as India (14). Frigates are not as heavily armed as destroyers but can fulfil similar roles and can operate in open oceans.

India has 25 corvettes and missile boats, around one-fourth as many as China (106). Corvettes and missile boats are lightly armed as compared to frigates and provide coastal protection.

India’s aircraft carrier advantage no more?

So far, both India and China each have one aircraft carrier. The carrier is a sign of its growing military prowess.

In April 2017, China launched a new aircraft carrier, its second after the Liaoning, but the first to be indigenously manufactured. The Chinese aircraft carrier is scheduled to be operational by 2020.

The development comes as India’s own homemade aircraft carrier, INS Vikrant, faces several delays. The Vikrant has been in development since 2009 but is unlikely to be completed before 2023, The Hindu reported on July 28, 2016.

For decades, India has enjoyed a naval advantage over China by possessing at least one aircraft carrier in its inventory while the PLAN had none.

China now possesses the Liaoning, a Soviet-era warship it purchased from Ukraine and commissioned in 2012 following refit. After four years of testing, the Liaoning conducted its first ever live-fire drills on December 16, 2016. It also conducted similar drills in the disputed South China Sea on 3 January, 2017, a sign of its increasingly aggressive posture.

The Liaoning was getting ready to expand its operations to other regions, including the Indian Ocean, a Chinese naval expert told the Chinese government-owned newspaper Global Times in December 2016.

"Ultimately, Beijing will likely build at least a half-dozen carriers to meet its requirements," wrote defence expert Dave Majumdar in the National Interest, an international affairs publication, on 22 February, 2017.

The Indian Navy has finalised the specifications for the construction of INS Vishal, an indigenous successor to INS Vikrant. The Vishal will be nuclear-powered, weigh 65,000-tonne and carry more aircraft than Vikrant and Vikramaditya. India is collaborating with the US to fit it with advanced “electro-magnetic aircraft launch system” (EMALS) for the aircraft.

Maritime doctrine

Indian Navy’s force structure is aimed at providing it with the capability to project power in ‘blue waters’ as envisioned in the Navy’s revised 2015 maritime doctrine.

“In theory, a blue-water Navy is a maritime force capable of operating in the deep waters of the open oceans,” noted Abhijit Singh, a Senior Fellow and Head, Maritime Policy Initiative at Observer Research Foundation, in The Diplomat, a current-affairs magazine.

The navy’s doctrine defines India’s areas of maritime interest as the wider Indian Ocean, which includes the Arabian Sea, Bay of Bengal, Andaman Sea, South-West Indian Ocean, Persian Gulf, Gulf of Oman, Gulf of Aden, Red Sea and chokepoints such as the Strait of Hormuz.

The PLA-N’s growing area of operations in this region places it in direct competition to India’s defined interests. However, it’s important to note that the PLA-N and its current force structure is aimed at securing the South China Sea and East China Sea, which it claims as its territories and is embattled in a bitter dispute with neighbouring countries as well as the US.

Published Date: Jul 07, 2017 10:15 am | Updated Date: Jul 07, 2017 10:15 am
 
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