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Serious 50th Anniversay of 6 Day War and the impact on SAF, and how the Jews fucked us

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[h=1]How the 1967 Six-Day War influenced Singapore’s early nation-building[/h]


Yahoo News Singapore4 June 2017





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Israeli soldiers sitting on tanks in the Sinai Peninsula on the Israel-Egypt border on May 25, 1967. The Six-Day War in 1967 saw Egypt’s vaunted airforce destroyed and its army humbled (AFP Photo/STF)









Fifty years ago today, on 5 June 1967, a war began to rage in the Middle East that would go on to have a seismic impact on global politics to this day. Almost 8,000 kilometres away, the prime minister of a newly independent nation in Asia was keenly monitoring the progress of the Six-Day War, fought between Israel and five Arab countries.
Lee Kuan Yew knew the outcome of the war could be critical in deciding the future of the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF), less than two years after Defence Minister Goh Keng Swee invited the Israelis to train Singapore’s fledgling army. The year 1967 was also when Singapore instituted national service.
Before the war, two teams of senior Israeli ranking officers, led by Major General Rehavam Zeevi, had laid the groundwork for the creation of the SAF, ranging from training of recruits, commanders and officers, designing course materials to establishing SAF’s first military base.
“When the Arab-Israeli Six-Day War broke out in June 1967, we were relieved the Israelis were not defeated or our SAF would have lost confidence in their Israeli instructors,” Lee wrote in his book “From Third World To First: The Singapore Story, 1965-2000, Volume 2”.
In just six days, the Israelis crushed the armies and air forces of the Arab countries and dramatically transformed the map of the Middle East. The land area that Israel controlled more than tripled to include the occupied territories of the Sinai Peninsula, Golan Heights, Gaza Strip, the West Bank and within the latter region, East Jerusalem.
As Professor Michael Leifer, an international relations scholar, noted in his book, “Singapore’s Foreign Policy: Coping With Vulnerability”, “Israel’s astounding victory against the Arab States in the Six-Day War in June 1967 served to vindicate the choice of (Israel as Singapore’s) defence partner.”
Developing Singapore’s army after the war
Military cooperation between the two countries intensified after the war, said Jacob Abadi, a professor of Middle Eastern and Islamic History at the US Air Force Academy in a book written by him.
After the sweeping victory of Israel’s armoured columns during the war, Singapore decided to build a strong armoured corps in January 1968. It signed an agreement to buy 72 AMX-13 light tanks from Israel, at a time when neighbouring Malaysia did not have a single tank. A group of 36 pioneering Singapore armour officers were also trained by the Israelis at a secret location to operate the AMX-13 and in tank warfare.
In addition to creating a strong deterrent force in the army, Singapore aimed to develop a modern and sophisticated air force, with the devastating prowess shown by the Israeli Air Force (IAF) during the war providing an impetus for the Republic. Adam Tzivoni, a retired IAF colonel, was appointed in 1968 to help set up Singapore’s air force. The Singapore Air Defence Command, the predecessor of the Republic of Singapore Air Force, was set up in September 1968.
“Israel’s sweeping victory in the Six-Day War after an initial air strike, which destroyed the aircraft of all surrounding Arab countries on the ground, underscored the importance of developing an efficient air force for Singapore,” said Prof Abadi in his book, “Israel’s Quest for Recognition and Acceptance in Asia: Garrison State Diplomacy”.
Impact on international relations
The war’s impact on Singapore in its early days of nation-building extended to the arena of international relations.
A resolution sponsored by Arab states was tabled in the United Nations General Assembly to condemn Israel after the war. It was an occasion for Singapore to display its independent foreign policy before the global community.
Specifically, Singapore’s vote in the resolution could affect its relations with countries strongly opposed to Israel and determine whether the Israeli military advisers would stay.
Lee said in his book, “I was in favour of abstaining in the vote. The Cabinet agreed with my view. We abstained and the Israelis did not leave.”
Singapore’s friendly ties with Israel during its early years of independence did not sit well with many developing nations, Prof Abadi said.
“Indeed, it was a daring and provocative decision on Lee’s part to be so completely identified with Israel after the Arab states had suffered such a humiliating defeat. By its rapprochement with Israel, Singapore had alienated all nonaligned nations and was therefore a subject of condemnation in all of their meetings,” he added.
 

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Looks like singapores death sentence was signed in 1967.lets hope isis do not read this article.

Anyway that was the 1970s, millitary technology has changed since then.SAMs,ATGMs and cruise missiles reign supreme in the battlefield now.
 

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the guy that wrote this article did not reveal that the PAP, Goh Keng Swee and the SAF were all conned by the Jews and IDF after the 6 day war. The PAP assumed that the Jews army was fantastic, which they were in that war. But the fantastic Jews knew the strength of their weapons much better then we did. Their experience with the AMX-13 during this war was very bad. in almost every engagement of the IDF AMX-13 against Egyptian tanks, the AMX was the loser. IDF armour instructors have told us that they empty the entire 12 rounds of AP in the revolcing mags into a T-55 with no appreciable damage at all to the Egyptian tanks. The IDF knew immediately that the AMX was a death threat. And conned the SAF into buying it. If we had gone to war with AMX-13s, we would have suffered a catastrophic loss. But the gullible PAP and GKS fell for it and make us the RV of the world for AMX-13s. I never felt half safe in the AMX-13 until the upgrades to SM1 level in the late 80s.
 

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the guy that wrote this article did not reveal that the PAP, Goh Keng Swee and the SAF were all conned by the Jews and IDF after the 6 day war. The PAP assumed that the Jews army was fantastic, which they were in that war. But the fantastic Jews knew the strength of their weapons much better then we did. Their experience with the AMX-13 during this war was very bad. in almost every engagement of the IDF AMX-13 against Egyptian tanks, the AMX was the loser. IDF armour instructors have told us that they empty the entire 12 rounds of AP in the revolcing mags into a T-55 with no appreciable damage at all to the Egyptian tanks. The IDF knew immediately that the AMX was a death threat. And conned the SAF into buying it. If we had gone to war with AMX-13s, we would have suffered a catastrophic loss. But the gullible PAP and GKS fell for it and make us the RV of the world for AMX-13s. I never felt half safe in the AMX-13 until the upgrades to SM1 level in the late 80s.

of course lah. amx-13 was a light tank for hit and run missions, not head-on mbt fights. the t-55 was an mbt. the idf also relied on centurions (in the pic) to fight the t-55. and they had more success. saf also bought centurions. as you should know, training in centurions were done in taiwan as there was not enough terrain for mbt training in sg. moreover, they had to be hidden away as not to alarm neighbors at that time. but anyone with a more analytical mind would know that they being tucked away on another island so far away would have little to no bearing in an actual conflict if war were to hit the borders in hours. even saf soldiers were not all told that we had heavier tanks than mere amx-13 tin cans.
 

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Their experience with the AMX-13 during this war was very bad. in almost every engagement of the IDF AMX-13 against Egyptian tanks, the AMX was the loser.

How is it that the AMX was the loser? The Isreal armour units did win their battle right? That was how they got Golan Heights.
 

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How is it that the AMX was the loser? The Isreal armour units did win their battle right? That was how they got Golan Heights.

a battalion of the idf 8th armored brigade lost 24 out of 26 tanks in one engagement alone. there was a mix of amx-13 and shermans.

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1967 is ancient history,1973 was the game changer with the advent of rpgs,atgms and sams.....which shook the israeli's world,their ass was shaking,their knees was quaking,like pound me in the ass federal prison....for once the israeli truly felt fear in their hearts,their tanks were useless,their planes were useless.the israelis came so close to the brink of defeat if the arabs had not hesitated.

[video=youtube;Lo2qQmj0_h4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo2qQmj0_h4[/video]
 

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of course lah. amx-13 was a light tank for hit and run missions, not head-on mbt fights. the t-55 was an mbt. the idf also relied on centurions (in the pic) to fight the t-55. and they had more success. saf also bought centurions. as you should know, training in centurions were done in taiwan as there was not enough terrain for mbt training in sg. moreover, they had to be hidden away as not to alarm neighbors at that time. but anyone with a more analytical mind would know that they being tucked away on another island so far away would have little to no bearing in an actual conflict if war were to hit the borders in hours. even saf soldiers were not all told that we had heavier tanks than mere amx-13 tin cans.

that is the theory part. that light tanks would be used as scout or recce armour and the tank v tank would be fought between MBTs. But in war, all the theory goes out the window once the first shots are fired. If all you have left to stop the enemy attack are AMX-13s, what are you going to do? Retreat and wait until your own MBT shows up, if at all? The reality is that many times, you have you fight with what you have. Considering that we had over 400+ AMX-13s and Tempest tanks are far away, the odds are that our AMX would go toe to toe with an MBT.

U have to bear in mind the context at that time. The Cold War was at its height. The Vietnam war was raging and the domino theory which the PAP leadership subscribed to, says that once the communist North Vietnam takes over SOuth Vietnam, and with Chinese and Russian communist backing, Thailand would be next, then Malaysia, then Singapore. There was some credence to this because Laos and Cambodia had essentially fallen to the communist. With the very real possibility that we might face Vietnamese T-55s one day, it was criminal of the Jews to sell us the shit useless AMX-13. They knew that they would have to retire those tanks with immediate effect. They knew that no one else would buy it off their hands. Using their military advisory role with the SAF, they sold us these tanks that they would not risk their own soldiers in. If we had send 400 of these tanks to war, I doubt if 20 would have come back.

By the way, there were Tempest in Singapore storage. The ones in ROC were to train the armour regulars. All armour regulars had to go for a Tempest conversion course. In the event of war, all Tempest qualified armour personnel would be pulled out of their units and send to form the one single Tempest company. And draw their Tempest from storage in Singapore.
 

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How is it that the AMX was the loser? The Isreal armour units did win their battle right? That was how they got Golan Heights.


U can lose the battle but still win the war. Non AMX-13 IDF armour units defeated their arab
enemies. AMX-13 units were defeated by Arab units.
 

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this one was a bit of a surprise when it was knocked out by the idf. a panzer iv.

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Yeah, I wonder what happened to this Panzer IV. It would be worth millions if it was restored today. If you take a closer look at it, that main gun on it is the same as the one on the AMX-13. Its the 75mm the French copied from the Germans and put into the AMX.
 

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Not sure when or where this picture was taken, maybe it was during the 6 day war. But note the AMX-13 turret in the background. The Hull is in the foreground. Catastrophic explosion and the turret gets blown off.

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I thought the Israelis practically gave us their AMX13s?
The sum paid was merely a token. If we did not take them, they would have been discarded in all probability.....

From wiki :

By 1967, Israel had acquired about 400 AMX-13s and formed three AMX-13 battalions, all of which fought actively on all fronts during the Six Day War.
The first moved south in the West Bank area through Taluzi and Tubas and occupied Nablus (against Jordan).
The second captured the strongpoints protecting the Gaza Strip and the coastal road in the north of the Sinai Peninsula (against Egypt).
The third assaulted the Golan Heights (against Syria).
The IDF realised that the AMX-13 tank was too lightly-armoured and had a weak main gun. Losses were heavy at places like Rafah Junction and Jiradi Pass during the Six Day War. Subsequently, the IDF completely phased out the AMX-13 from its inventory and sold them to the Singapore Army in 1969.
 

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The IDF deployment of their Air Force was the deciding factor in the war and made the war the one sided one that it was.

the only thing that made it a one sided war was the israelis attacked first,complete surprise and without warning,when their enemy was unprepared,unready and unequipped for war anyway......

this whole charade is just a plot by the jews and the west to keep the middle east weak,poor and divided.if only the arabs did not give up after the yom kippur war,if only eygpt and jordan and syria and lebanon did not give up and continue developing their economies and going at it,eventually israel would have fallen.....its funny how 40 years later this scourge and cancer is still here while middle east is in utter chaos.
 

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the guy that wrote this article did not reveal that the PAP, Goh Keng Swee and the SAF were all conned by the Jews and IDF after the 6 day war. The PAP assumed that the Jews army was fantastic, which they were in that war. But the fantastic Jews knew the strength of their weapons much better then we did. Their experience with the AMX-13 during this war was very bad. in almost every engagement of the IDF AMX-13 against Egyptian tanks, the AMX was the loser. IDF armour instructors have told us that they empty the entire 12 rounds of AP in the revolcing mags into a T-55 with no appreciable damage at all to the Egyptian tanks. The IDF knew immediately that the AMX was a death threat. And conned the SAF into buying it. If we had gone to war with AMX-13s, we would have suffered a catastrophic loss. But the gullible PAP and GKS fell for it and make us the RV of the world for AMX-13s. I never felt half safe in the AMX-13 until the upgrades to SM1 level in the late 80s.

Were you trained, operated and commanded AMX 13 platoons and companies?
Is SM1 any better?
 
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