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Chitchat SAF Scholar's 'Eureka' Moment With The Navy! Did He Run Around Naked Too?

JohnTan

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n the early 1980s, resources were tight, even for the Ministry of Defence (Mindef), which commanded a large chunk of the Government's budget.

In those days, defence took the largest slice at about 6.5 per cent of gross domestic product (GDP).

But Singapore's economy was much smaller than what it is today.

So with a budget that was modest relative to the need to build up the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) into a capable deterrent force, Minister for Defence Howe Yoon Chong decided that absolute priority must be given to building the air force. The army and the navy would mop up the leftovers.

The navy, straining under the burden of operations to look out for Vietnamese "boat people", felt it was amply justified to get more funds to acquire more and new ships.

Then a staff officer in the navy's headquarters, I recall the navy trying to argue for three more missile gunboats - which were upgraded versions of the existing 45m Lurssen-Werft missile gunboats - and to equip them with Harpoon missiles, which would be new to the Republic of Singapore Navy inventory. Initiated in 1978 and codenamed Albatross, the project progressed through the system slowly.

Apr 27, 2017
Mr Howe was resolute. He dismissed the need for Project Albatross, because the money would be better spent on getting the air force a squadron of F-16s, which would be able to perform more strategic roles than the missile gunboats could ever hope to do.

And when the navy persisted, his dismissive response was that he was prepared to buy a few barges, mount 20mm Oerlikon guns on them, and hire a few tug boats to tow them around to patrol Singapore's waters.

This period saw a very demoralised navy. That was the mood when I became Head of Naval Plans Department in 1983.

When you are in that situation, you either mope or you start to think hard, as I did.

It did seem to me then that one of the reasons for the failure of Project Albatross was the lack of a clear strategic mission for the navy, and as a result, it had been relegated to a default role of patrolling Singapore's waters.

I was already dimly beginning to acknowledge what Mr Howe must have seen with blinding clarity - that the navy, in just conducting patrols and transporting equipment for the SAF to overseas training areas, was neither strategic nor critical in the defence of Singapore.

The "eureka" moment came one day when I was looking at Singapore's trade statistics. I discovered its trade-dependency ratio in the 1980s was about four. In other words, the value of its trade was four times the size of its GDP.

Obviously, as it is an island nation, most of its trade would come by sea. The shipping routes carried not just Singapore's trade, but equally important, its energy needs and food.

These sea lines of communication were literally Singapore's lifelines, and so, the navy's strategic mission should be protecting them. With this insight, we started working on a total strategic makeover of the navy.

The first step was to write a paper that laid out the arguments for the navy's new strategic role in the protection of the sea lines of communication. This transformed the navy, because for the first time, there was clarity of its strategic role, one that was recognised as vital to Singapore's survival and security.

Mindef accepted - even embraced - this role. As a consequence, it soon allocated a larger budget to the navy.

In December 1984, a decision was made to upgrade the entire 185 Squadron of missile gunboats by including a full electronic warfare suite, and installing Harpoon missiles in addition to the existing Gabriel missile system. Five months later, approval came through for a new squadron of 62m-long missile corvettes, which would even have an anti-submarine capability.

What did I learn from this?

First, never give up, even in the face of apparently insuperable odds, like when the minister says "no". I learnt that persistence is an essential quality of any planner and policymaker.

I also learnt that decision-makers - at least here - do keep an open mind.

Second, it is worthwhile to spend time thinking, especially strategically. When you can align plans and policies within a larger national strategic framework, then their odds of passing muster improve.

I also took away a lesson from this period that I have never forgotten. I learnt to eschew the inclination to equal misery, which is a cop-out from taking hard decisions.

Mr Howe was right to establish priorities for the defence of Singapore.

When resources were limited, he decided the air force should get the priority and the lion's share of the defence budget.

I am now persuaded that if he had succumbed to the ideology of equal misery, and instead pursued an approach of trying to make each service happy, we would not have the 3rd Generation SAF we have today.

Peter Ho was head of civil service and permanent secretary for foreign affairs. This commentary appears in the RSN50 commemorative book, A Maritime Force For A Maritime Nation: Celebrating 50 Years Of The Navy. It will be given to in-service personnel, national servicemen, pioneers and the SAF Volunteer Corp.

http://www.tnp.sg/news/views/singapore-navys-eureka-moment
 

Papsmearer

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So, this fat fuck Peter Whore is saying he is the architect of the modern Zikapore navy? Hahahahhahahahaha. He is some naval genius like Nelson or Nimitz? KNN. What is his qualifications to be Chief of Naval Plans? he did not even graduate from Annapolis, or Royal Naval College, etc. Just got an engineering degree from Cambridge and he thinks he is a genius and tooting his own horn.

In the first place, the Singapore Navy was not given too much attention in the 80s because the Mexicans knew nothing about the Navy. Their big focus was on their Air Force and then their Army, so when they came to advise the SAF, they also taught them along the same lines. Even today, the Mexican navy is a distant third to their Air Force and Merkava tank Armies. Also, in the 70s and into the 80s, the US Naval presence was very strong in the South China Seas on account of the Vietnam war and during the aftermath, so there was really no need to develop a navy because we had the US Naval umbrella. The development of the modern RSN was not because it had to be used to protect our shipping lanes. MAny of these shipping lanes such as the Straits of Malacca are not under the jurisdiction of Singapore anyway. The territorial waters of singapore are very small. In times of conflict, merchant ships will avoid singapore like the plague, they can sail around it. Might take longer but its possible. Its not like we are the suez canal. there is no sailing around that.

The main reason for all the money to be spend on the RSN and the enlargement of the RSN was because of the new SAF scholarship schemes to groom scholar generals for the PAP political machinery. The RSAF and SAF can only absorb so many scholar generals every year. By enlarging the RSN, the PAP can justify more scholar generals because there are now more areas of responsibilities that they can be placed in. hence u see rear admiral this and that in Parliament and running GLCs. Peter Whore should not play punk with Sammyboy readers.
 

KuanTi01

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So, this fat fuck Peter Whore is saying he is the architect of the modern Zikapore navy? Hahahahhahahahaha. He is some naval genius like Nelson or Nimitz? KNN. What is his qualifications to be Chief of Naval Plans? he did not even graduate from Annapolis, or Royal Naval College, etc. Just got an engineering degree from Cambridge and he thinks he is a genius and tooting his own horn.

In the first place, the Singapore Navy was not given too much attention in the 80s because the Mexicans knew nothing about the Navy. Their big focus was on their Air Force and then their Army, so when they came to advise the SAF, they also taught them along the same lines. Even today, the Mexican navy is a distant third to their Air Force and Merkava tank Armies. Also, in the 70s and into the 80s, the US Naval presence was very strong in the South China Seas on account of the Vietnam war and during the aftermath, so there was really no need to develop a navy because we had the US Naval umbrella. The development of the modern RSN was not because it had to be used to protect our shipping lanes. MAny of these shipping lanes such as the Straits of Malacca are not under the jurisdiction of Singapore anyway. The territorial waters of singapore are very small. In times of conflict, merchant ships will avoid singapore like the plague, they can sail around it. Might take longer but its possible. Its not like we are the suez canal. there is no sailing around that.

The main reason for all the money to be spend on the RSN and the enlargement of the RSN was because of the new SAF scholarship schemes to groom scholar generals for the PAP political machinery. The RSAF and SAF can only absorb so many scholar generals every year. By enlarging the RSN, the PAP can justify more scholar generals because there are now more areas of responsibilities that they can be placed in. hence u see rear admiral this and that in Parliament and running GLCs. Peter Whore should not play punk with Sammyboy readers.

A brilliant expose, I must say! Peter Ho whether intentionally or not had made himself out to be macham the patron saint or the chief architect of the RSN. The truth is really much closer to what Papsmearer said; as a supply line or conduit pipe to groom/promote/shaft the scholar-generals and rear admirers to "grace" our hallowed House of Parliament. It doesn't require a genius to figure out that the air force and army is more important than the navy at the point in time in Singapore history.
 

Papsmearer

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A brilliant expose, I must say! Peter Ho whether intentionally or not had made himself out to be macham the patron saint or the chief architect of the RSN. The truth is really much closer to what Papsmearer said; as a supply line or conduit pipe to groom/promote/shaft the scholar-generals and rear admirers to "grace" our hallowed House of Parliament. It doesn't require a genius to figure out that the air force and army is more important than the navy at the point in time in Singapore history.

Thank you for saying so. This sort of SAF scholar is what frightens me the most. They don't have any knowledge or experience in this field of Naval Planning, nor did they bother to acquire it, and yet they waxed lyrical on what is to be done. he said:

I discovered its trade-dependency ratio in the 1980s was about four. In other words, the value of its trade was four times the size of its GDP.

Obviously, as it is an island nation, most of its trade would come by sea. The shipping routes carried not just Singapore's trade, but equally important, its energy needs and food.

These sea lines of communication were literally Singapore's lifelines, and so, the navy's strategic mission should be protecting them. With this insight, we started working on a total strategic makeover of the navy.

The first step was to write a paper that laid out the arguments for the navy's new strategic role in the protection of the sea lines of communication. This transformed the navy, because for the first time, there was clarity of its strategic role, one that was recognised as vital to Singapore's survival and security.


Firstly, in the past under Minister of Defence Goh Keng Swee and then Howe, no one cares about protecting the shipping routes. Why is this? Because no one has the ability to deny the use of the shipping routes to anyone. the only exception is the the US Navy, which can enforce a blockade or closure of any shipping routes. I am surprised this moron's white paper did not mention this. Ask yourself back in the 80s and even today, which regional navy has the operational capability to deny the sea lines of communication around singapore? The malaysian navy? Thai Navy (their aircraft carrier is already dormant), Indon Navy? Even the Indian, Russian and Chinese navy do not have the ability to mount a long term blockade of say the Straits of Malacca, Sunda Straits, parts of the SOuth China Sea, etc. all at the same time. Even if they can for a short period of time do this, what is the quick and rapid solution? Send in the Harpoon carrying F-16 and back then the A-4s, and sink those ships. Not wait to sail some missile gunboats up there or even a stealth Frigate. It will take days.

Any denial of these use of sea lanes will also affect all our trading partners. As alluded to by Peter Whore trade is 4 times GDP. But you think these trading partners will not send their navy to break the blockade? In particular, the US NAvy and Chinese Navy? The denial of any use of sea lanes anywhere in the world affects these 2 countries much more then singapore. As for the energy and food being shipped in, that is a red herring. we can get all that from the Malaysians. If the Malaysians are the ones that are mounting a blockade of our shipping lines of communication, we would have send in our Army supported by RSAF and its game over. Again, the role that the navy will play in it is minimal. So, at the then of the day, the Navy was accorded the importance that it was due, ie. a number 3 in the SAF. This idiot wrote the white paper based on erroneous grounds and the PAP seized on it as a way that they can develop more talents for their political system and control of zikapore.
 

steffychun

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So, this fat fuck Peter Whore is saying he is the architect of the modern Zikapore navy? Hahahahhahahahaha. He is some naval genius like Nelson or Nimitz? KNN. What is his qualifications to be Chief of Naval Plans? he did not even graduate from Annapolis, or Royal Naval College, etc. Just got an engineering degree from Cambridge and he thinks he is a genius and tooting his own horn.

In the first place, the Singapore Navy was not given too much attention in the 80s because the Mexicans knew nothing about the Navy. Their big focus was on their Air Force and then their Army, so when they came to advise the SAF, they also taught them along the same lines. Even today, the Mexican navy is a distant third to their Air Force and Merkava tank Armies. Also, in the 70s and into the 80s, the US Naval presence was very strong in the South China Seas on account of the Vietnam war and during the aftermath, so there was really no need to develop a navy because we had the US Naval umbrella. The development of the modern RSN was not because it had to be used to protect our shipping lanes. MAny of these shipping lanes such as the Straits of Malacca are not under the jurisdiction of Singapore anyway. The territorial waters of singapore are very small. In times of conflict, merchant ships will avoid singapore like the plague, they can sail around it. Might take longer but its possible. Its not like we are the suez canal. there is no sailing around that.

The main reason for all the money to be spend on the RSN and the enlargement of the RSN was because of the new SAF scholarship schemes to groom scholar generals for the PAP political machinery. The RSAF and SAF can only absorb so many scholar generals every year. By enlarging the RSN, the PAP can justify more scholar generals because there are now more areas of responsibilities that they can be placed in. hence u see rear admiral this and that in Parliament and running GLCs. Peter Whore should not play punk with Sammyboy readers.

Ask Teo Chee Hean lah. Or wait, no James Aeria, first navy non scholar RADM.
 

mojito

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It to fight piracy and fine captains from littering when their moor offshore. For that you need bigger missiles and even bigger boats.
 

frenchbriefs

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So a civil servant's crowning achievment is figuring out the perfect excuse on how to beg for more money to expand their jiak liao bee department and give themselves bonuses?

holy fucken shit,why not ask the entire navy to moonlight as giggolos or something at the docks of
 

frenchbriefs

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i guarantee u this one thing,if anyone cared about the security of shipping lanes it would be the shipping companies themselves and not the jiak liao bee SAF or military,they would be hiring mercenaries from private armies like blackwater and have their own army of assault helicopters and lsts.
 

JohnTan

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The navy is needed to project power, even within one's territorial waters. Look at the SCS conflict. Vietnam and Pinoyland have more or less conceded vast amounts of sea to chinkland because their navy totally suck. And for the first time in chink history, the chinks are building a full-time blue water navy. None of that cheng ho era bullshit when the emperor wasted the navy on showing off and mindless gallivanting.

Without a decent navy, indon pirates would be harassing our sea lanes, not to mention even made raids on Singapore itself like what the Barbary pirates used to do centuries ago. Even today, pirates from Sulu continue to harass the pinoys and their tourists because the pinoys have no decent navy or coastguard to blow their lairs skyhigh.
 

frenchbriefs

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The navy is needed to project power, even within one's territorial waters. Look at the SCS conflict. Vietnam and Pinoyland have more or less conceded vast amounts of sea to chinkland because their navy totally suck. And for the first time in chink history, the chinks are building a full-time blue water navy. None of that cheng ho era bullshit when the emperor wasted the navy on showing off and mindless gallivanting.

Without a decent navy, indon pirates would be harassing our sea lanes, not to mention even made raids on Singapore itself like what the Barbary pirates used to do centuries ago. Even today, pirates from Sulu continue to harass the pinoys and their tourists because the pinoys have no decent navy or coastguard to blow their lairs skyhigh.

even if sinkapore possessed the means to do so,SG would not have the balls to occupy the straits of malacca.....all the 14 billions a year we spend on defense is utterly wasted,simply because no balls.
 

JohnTan

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even if sinkapore possessed the means to do so,SG would not have the balls to occupy the straits of malacca.....all the 14 billions a year we spend on defense is utterly wasted,simply because no balls.

Our navy is not meant to occupy the straits of malacca.

Our navy is meant to sink enemy ships that blockade our seas and to prevent pirates from harassing our coasts. For larger countries, the navy and coast coast is needed to protect the 200 miles of EEZ seas from potential invaders and illegal fishing by foreign ships.

For most African countries, no navy means illegal chink ships can fish to their heart's content in other countries EEZ, or pirates habitually launching raids on tourist beach resorts like in the philippines. Didn't the pirates recently snatch a jiuhukia from one of the resorts and later on beheaded him?
 

frenchbriefs

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Our navy is not meant to occupy the straits of malacca.

Our navy is meant to sink enemy ships that blockade our seas and to prevent pirates from harassing our coasts. For larger countries, the navy and coast coast is needed to protect the 200 miles of EEZ seas from potential invaders and illegal fishing by foreign ships.

For most African countries, no navy means illegal chink ships can fish to their heart's content in other countries EEZ, or pirates habitually launching raids on tourist beach resorts like in the philippines. Didn't the pirates recently snatch a jiuhukia from one of the resorts and later on beheaded him?

First off if someone is blockading ur seas it means u have already lost.if u cannot hold ur territory or home ground how u expect to fight back.
 

Papsmearer

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i guarantee u this one thing,if anyone cared about the security of shipping lanes it would be the shipping companies themselves and not the jiak liao bee SAF or military,they would be hiring mercenaries from private armies like blackwater and have their own army of assault helicopters and lsts.


RSN has not
even sunk one pirate sampan or eradicated piracy from any one area of the South China Sea. Any shipping company will tell you piracy is their worse security problem in this area. If Peter Whore's Naval Planning is so good, he would have put in a fleet of small fast hydrofoils to combat small fast pirates. What is a submarine going to do for you?
 

Papsmearer

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Our navy is not meant to occupy the straits of malacca.

Our navy is meant to sink enemy ships that blockade our seas and to prevent pirates from harassing our coasts. For larger countries, the navy and coast coast is needed to protect the 200 miles of EEZ seas from potential invaders and illegal fishing by foreign ships.

For most African countries, no navy means illegal chink ships can fish to their heart's content in other countries EEZ, or pirates habitually launching raids on tourist beach resorts like in the philippines. Didn't the pirates recently snatch a jiuhukia from one of the resorts and later on beheaded him?

That is what the airforce is for, dumbass. By the time the RSN arrives at the blockade fleet, they will be retrieving debris. The air force would have sunk the lot of them. that is why Air Force gets all the money and Navy got non. Until idiot Peter Whore wrote his white paper.
 

Papsmearer

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The navy is needed to project power, even within one's territorial waters. Look at the SCS conflict. Vietnam and Pinoyland have more or less conceded vast amounts of sea to chinkland because their navy totally suck. And for the first time in chink history, the chinks are building a full-time blue water navy. None of that cheng ho era bullshit when the emperor wasted the navy on showing off and mindless gallivanting.

Without a decent navy, indon pirates would be harassing our sea lanes, not to mention even made raids on Singapore itself like what the Barbary pirates used to do centuries ago. Even today, pirates from Sulu continue to harass the pinoys and their tourists because the pinoys have no decent navy or coastguard to blow their lairs skyhigh.

Project simi lancheow power? HKG takes our Terrex, I did not see the RSN project power and sail into Hong King harbour and take back the Terrexes.
 

Papsmearer

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So a civil servant's crowning achievment is figuring out the perfect excuse on how to beg for more money to expand their jiak liao bee department and give themselves bonuses?

holy fucken shit,why not ask the entire navy to moonlight as giggolos or something at the docks of

U summed it up. Except who will want to fuck RSN sailors for money.
 

Papsmearer

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Anyone knows what is Peter Whore's final rank in the SAF before he RETD? It was Colonel, I think, but not sure.
 
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