Chitchat CJ, his NS experience and the landmark ruling on NS defaulters.

Firstly CJ completely destroyed the the sentencing framework that AG chambers painstakingly crafted with their political minders post the Melvyn Tan episode and the heavy lobbying in recent years by connected families. He literally ripped apart nearly every argument and rationale that held the framework. Example is the ridiculous argument of doing well in NS for defaulter to get a lesser sentence.

Secondly the man who put together the framework was in court and I wonder what he was thinking. As usual the press did not tell the link and the back story.

CJ was in the pioneer batch of BMT Tekong "overweight" company. The guy suffered and persevered and was commissioned an Officer. His son also became an officer. Clearly he knew the pain.

scroobal said:

CJ was in the pioneer batch of BMT Tekong "overweight" company. The guy suffered and persevered and was commissioned an Officer. His son also became an officer. Clearly he knew the pain.

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CJ is 55. That would make him enter NS circa 1981. There wasn't any overweight company then.
And back then OCS was direct intake so if sent to Tekong means going to SISL at most NCOs rank.

Narong Wongwan said:

CJ is 55. That would make him enter NS circa 1981. There wasn't any overweight company then.
And back then OCS was direct intake so if sent to Tekong means going to SISL at most NCOs rank.

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Screwedball
is once again making shit up. You are right, the overweight battalion was not started until around 1988. If I recall, it was always at Nee Soon and never at tekong. At that time, if i recall (so long ago), only those in the Telong intakes go to SAFINCOS and OCS. Not the Nee Soon recruits who were most peng kias.

Anyway, Screwedball missed a very salient point. Of the 3 justices passing judgement in the Appeal Court on this NS defaulter case, and then writing a legal opinion pontificating on the importance of NS, blah blah blah............ what if I told you one of the 3 justices never even did NS. Do you think maybe this particular asshole should excuse himself from this Appeal case and get someone else appointed to it? How can some one who has never gone thru NS pass judgement on it? Singapore truly has more kangaroos then Australia.

CJ's case is an quite an interesting case. He was in 1980 batch and not the 81 batch even though he was born in 1962. He spent his schooling years overseas and did his JC one year younger than his cohort. He did his BMT in Tekong together with Howe Yoon Chong's son, another overweight chap. Howe incidently was Minister of Defence. And he created the first overweight platoon for BMT for obvious reasons. It formally became a programme in later years. But every year since 1980, there was an obese platoon in Tekong. Howe became MOD in 1979.

While doing his BMT, PSC asked CJ to consider the SPF scholarship and he was transferred to Police OCS. He however did not eventually take it up. His new platoon mate turned out to be the next PM who took up the SPH scholarship.

Narong Wongwan said:

CJ is 55. That would make him enter NS circa 1981. There wasn't any overweight company then.
And back then OCS was direct intake so if sent to Tekong means going to SISL at most NCOs rank.

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so may I ask for insights as to why they pick on these 2 cases? And what is the "new framework" now?

Greetings, I understand that it is not specific to these 2 cases but familiies as well as lawyers have come to understand that CMPB has a different protocol for those who offered to surrender and representation have increased. Note the number of cases that are making the press. Melvyn Tan's case opened the gates and those after 40 years have also realised that they no longer have to do NS but pay fine until recently.

After this ruling, the gate is truly shut. What Court has done is get rid of the usual sob stories - the parents did it but the kid was not at fault, and in the SC's case, he did not receive notification despite his house raided.

ashjaw said:

so may I ask for insights as to why they pick on these 2 cases? And what is the "new framework" now?

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Did the arsehole get break in ns for his ocersea studies.

Fuck talk big of his nd day tine whereas most of us hated enlisted in lky army.

Anyone (social media/mainstream media) ever try asking the families of those locals (whose kids got sent to prison because they did not serve NS ) -how they feel about new citizens not having to serve NS?
Why Pinoy ,China and Indian born citizens need not serve NS?
How may thousands of these special citizens who need not serve NS are there?

In fact I'm surprised that no opposition parties have made it an issue that ALL SINGAPORE CITIZENS MUST SERVE NS irrespective of where they are born or when they gain citizenship.
Here they not only need not serve NS but even can gain political office and claim that being a medical personnel is as good as serving NS!
In other countries this issue alone is enough to vote the party out.

Every parents are afraid of his son may die in ns.

Worst case is lky first son who served only a few months and chabot run road to ocerseas study.

Wtf is ns then?

Fuck LKY PAP

scroobal said:

CJ's case is an quite an interesting case. He was in 1980 batch and not the 81 batch even though he was born in 1962. He spent his schooling years overseas and did his JC one year younger than his cohort.

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Sundaresh Menon spent his schooling overseas? WTF are you talking about? Sundaresh is a catholic and went to SJI. Did O levels in 1978. Then 2 years Pre-U. After that NS for 2 years, and entered NUS LAw Faculty in 1982 after ROD, and graduated 4 years later in 1986. How to enter one year younger then his cohort? The only time he when overseas to study was for his masters in Law at Harvard.

tanwahtiu said:

Did the arsehole get break in ns for his ocersea studies.

Fuck talk big of his nd day tine whereas most of us hated enlisted in lky army.

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Read my post #10. Screwedball blowing smoke up your ass, don't fall for his overseas studies shit. Sundaresh was SJI boy. did his O levels there.

borom said:

Anyone (social media/mainstream media) ever try asking the families of those locals (whose kids got sent to prison because they did not serve NS ) -how they feel about new citizens not having to serve NS?
Why Pinoy ,China and Indian born citizens need not serve NS?
How may thousands of these special citizens who need not serve NS are there?

In fact I'm surprised that no opposition parties have made it an issue that ALL SINGAPORE CITIZENS MUST SERVE NS irrespective of where they are born or when they gain citizenship.
Here they not only need not serve NS but even can gain political office and claim that being a medical personnel is as good as serving NS!
In other countries this issue alone is enough to vote the party out.

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This is very true. But stupid sinkies keep voting the PAP in. And fake oppo WP never even make a whimper about this. I think SIngapore First party have mentioned about this injustice before.

thanks, Scroobal. Hope you are doing well. Tried writing to you but your mailbox is full

Are you saying that these cases are pertaining to those who did not get the exit permit or deferment, and yet not serving NS then come back later to surrender?

So will it affect those who have gone through the proper procedure fall into this category too?

scroobal said:

Greetings, I understand that it is not specific to these 2 cases but familiies as well as lawyers have come to understand that CMPB has a different protocol for those who offered to surrender and representation have increased. Note the number of cases that are making the press. Melvyn Tan's case opened the gates and those after 40 years have also realised that they no longer have to do NS but pay fine until recently.

After this ruling, the gate is truly shut. What Court has done is get rid of the usual sob stories - the parents did it but the kid was not at fault, and in the SC's case, he did not receive notification despite his house raided.

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Only applies to those who failed for various reasons to apply or extend deferment and have been classified as defaulters. Mindef will give ample warning of someone who is going to be classified as a defaulter. The letters and emails will go to the last notified contact details usually of parents.

In the past, those who are classified as defaulters and who have reached out to CMPB to surrender are allowed to be fly in, taken in and then released on bail rather than be handcuffed and thrown in a lockup to be bailed out. Those who surrendered are usually given some indication of their penalty with no promises. With this recent judgement, one can assume that worst case scenario especially those who cross the 40 year aga cutoff for enlistment. It well known that many wait for the cutoff. Remember the pianist Melvyn Tan had the elite behind his lobbying including some members of SSO board including a prof and former AG and he got away with it. Teo Chee Hean came out threathening to set things right but it went back to the same BS albeit with a higher fine in many cases. The. It was revised again about 2 or 3 years ago with a more comprehensive sentencing framework. The ruling throws the out the entire framework. Can you imagine a defaulter going to OCS. Shows how screwed we can get to.

ashjaw said:

thanks, Scroobal. Hope you are doing well. Tried writing to you but your mailbox is full

Are you saying that these cases are pertaining to those who did not get the exit permit or deferment, and yet not serving NS then come back later to surrender?

So will it affect those who have gone through the proper procedure fall into this category too?

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