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https://www.theguardian.com/comment...er-gibraltar-are-rightwing-imperial-fantasies


War threats over Gibraltar are rightwing imperial fantasies
Paul Mason
Paul Mason

Sending ships to southern Spain only makes sense if you buy the delusion that Britain’s future involves rekindling empire, both economically and diplomatically
A rock and a hard place: Gibraltar and Britain’s relationship explained

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Monday 3 April 2017 14.27 BST
Last modified on Monday 3 April 2017 17.17 BST

Anton Chekhov’s rule was that if a gun appears in act one, by act three it must go off. This basic principle of drama holds true in diplomacy as well: don’t make promises you can’t keep, or threats you can’t deliver on. It’s a principle that Conservative politicians blathering about conflict with Spain over Gibraltar would do well to study.

On Sunday, the former Tory leader Michael Howard, citing Margaret Thatcher’s war with Argentina over the Falkland Islands, said he was “absolutely certain that our current prime minister will show the same resolve in standing by the people of Gibraltar”. It was no slip. This war meme over Gibraltar is not new in Tory thinking. Luke Coffey of the Heritage Foundation – a US conservative thinktank – has, since the Brexit vote, been calling for warships to be deployed around Gibraltar. Yesterday, in response to the row over Howard’s comments, Coffey retweeted a picture of the Argentine cruiser General Belgrano sinking.
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Sending warships to Gibraltar, and preparing what Coffey calls a “robust air bridge” should Spain close the land border, makes sense only if you buy the wider fantasy: that Britain’s future after Brexit involves rekindling its colonial empire, both as a market and a diplomatic sphere of influence.

The economist Andrew Lilico, a hard Brexiter, advocates the creation of an alliance called Canzuk – involving Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand together with former colonial dependencies. Although Britain’s trade with the Canzuk countries amounts to just 3% of GDP (compared with 40% with the EU), for Lilico it’s not just about trade. He wants a military alliance involving the primarily white, English-speaking countries, backed up with a new free-movement deal.

Lilico’s rationale rests on the “cultural similarity” of the Canzuk countries, which he assumes could override, say, the geographic proximity of Australia to China, and Canada to the US. Bonkers though it sounds, the proposal is more realistic than the official policy of the British government, which its own civil servants have derided as “Empire 2.0”.

Liam Fox, the minister for international trade, last month began the process of persuading the 52 nations of the Commonwealth – including giant populations in India and Nigeria – into a free-trade agreement with the UK. The only problem is, as 32 of them pointed out, they already have free trade with the EU via special agreements with the UK. If the UK leaves the EU before signing free-trade agreements with these ex-colonies, trade will be more free between them and the EU than it will be with the UK.

Empire 2.0 is, then, in all its forms, a fantasy. It is a displacement activity for Fox and his cronies in the rightwing thinktanks to avoid confronting the main task posed by Brexit: to salvage our trading, diplomatic, military and cultural ties with Europe.

But it has deep roots not just in the thinking of the Tory right, but in that of a xenophobic minority in England whose consciousness is moulded by the Daily Mail, nostalgia dramas on TV and an almost continuous stream of military pageants on this or that anniversary of this or that war.

For them, the UK’s connections with Europe were always the source of cognitive dissonance. Britain’s essential destiny was to “rule the waves”, not just through sea power, but through the cultural hegemony of its pop icons and its fashion designers.

That was always the subtextual meaning of the small wars the UK kept fighting: over the Falklands, with Iceland over fishing rights. It was the subtext, too, for the weirdly distributed bases of the British army: jungle training in Belize; the Gurkhas, stationed not just in Nepal but in Brunei; the two sovereign territories on Cyprus; and, of course, Gibraltar itself.

Maintaining a string of non-defensible bases between Borneo and Bermuda made sense as long as these were merely the legacy of an empire. But after 2010, Conservative military-diplomatic policy, under the influence of Coffey, among others, evolved towards the totally unrealistic philosophy of “global reach”.

Enshrined in the 2015 Strategic Defence and Security Review, global reach revived the principles of imperialist thinking. The UK’s military-diplomatic strategy is designed to enhance its “security and prosperity”. Although it sounds meaningless, this phrase has for the Tories a specific meaning: we will go on arming dictators as long as they are not a threat to the UK; we will sign lucrative training deals with the armies, dictators and autocrats as long as it promotes trade. And we will project power way beyond the Nato eastern flank and the Middle East, the two regions where UK military power has been focused for decades.

Even in 2015 this was laid out as a clear alternative to the most logical policy: of military co-operation with our European neighbours. The problem is, the rules-based multilateral system is fragmenting and the UK is faced with serious choices.

To the east is Vladimir Putin’s Russia, heavily re-armed, its submarines closely trailing every Trident-armed submarine that leaves Faslane, its cyber-warfare systems constantly probing ours. Between us and Russia is a continent riven with divisions and lacking resolve even to formally meet its Nato commitments.

All around us is the global threat of jihadism, together with the possibility of country breakdown and mass population movements.

These two threats – Russia and jihadism – are more than enough. We should design our military and diplomatic strategy to meet them and nothing else. Global reach is a post-imperial fantasy, as is the plan for Canzuk. So is the proposal to face down Spain diplomatically and insist on the absolute sovereignty of Gibraltar.

Gibraltar’s sovereignty was shared with Spain’s the moment EU membership for both territories led to their economic re-integration.

A rightwing nationalist government in Madrid was always going to play games like this if you handed them negotiating power by threatening a hard Brexit. In that sense, the Gibraltar row has emerged from Brussels as a credible threat from the EU to counter the credible threat of a no-deal Brexit.

But the UK’s security relies on Europe’s security. In reality, our trade and cultural links are primarily European and will go on being so. Let’s leave imperial fantasies to the weird Nietzscheans of the Tory right, who believe in triumph of the will over the objective realities of multilateral global power. Let’s say this to our Spanish friends: 70 years ago, 500 British and Irish men died trying to save democracy in Spain. For their memory, and for peace in Europe, we will never threaten a democratic and peaceful Spain with military force.
 

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http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/78...al-chris-parry-gibraltar-royal-navy-commander



'We could CRIPPLE you' Ex-Navy commander issues CHILLING threat to Spain over Gibraltar

BRITAIN could “cripple” Spain if a war was to break out over Gibraltar, a former Royal Navy commander has claimed.
By Charlie Bayliss
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Mon, Apr 3, 2017 | UPDATED: 19:03, Mon, Apr 3, 2017

Tensions regarding the future of the British overseas territory have risen after it emerged there was an EU proposal to give the Spanish government a veto on any decision regarding Gibraltar when the UK leaves the bloc.

Rear-Admiral Chris Parry, a former director of operational capability at the Ministry of Defence, said: “We could cripple Spain in the medium term and I think the Americans would probably support us too.

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We are probably three times more powerful than they are

Rear-Admiral Chris Parry

“In terms of military capability we would vastly outnumber them and our capacity to do them harm is far greater.

“We are significantly more powerful than them, if it came to it we are probably three times more powerful than they are.”

Mr Parry’s remarks come after former Conservative leader Lord Howard claimed Theresa May “would go to war” to defend Gibraltar – similarly to how Margaret Thatcher went to war with Argentina regarding the Falkland Islands.

Despite the increasing rhetoric over the future of the island, Rear-Admiral Parry admitted he did not believe current tensions would boil over to military conflict.

He added: “If the Government wants to talk big over Gibraltar, or indeed anywhere else, they have to invest appropriately in the military capacity to back that up.

"We are a lot less powerful than we were during the Falklands and we are less sustainable over time. Our capacity for actually enforcing our national will in military terms is significantly less.

"Our war fighting assets are weak after years of operations in Afghanistan and Iraq and because of the disingenuous way in which the Government has resourced defence.”

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Michael Howard (right) claimed May would go to war over Gibraltar

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Yet he warned: “Spain should learn from history that it is never worth taking us on and that we could still singe the King of Spain’s beard.”

Gibraltar’s chief Fabian Picardo has insisted the Rock will remain part of Britain despite reports Theresa May ignored his wish to mention the peninsula in her Article 50 letter to the EU last Wednesday.

A Downing Street spokesman said: “The Prime Minister said we will never enter into arrangements under which the people of Gibraltar would pass under the sovereignty of another state against their freely and democratically expressed wishes, nor will we ever enter into a process of sovereignty negotiations with which Gibraltar is not content."
 

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http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/65...l-control-Gibralter-soon-as-Britain-leaves-EU



BREXIT THREAT: Spain will ‘take control of Gibraltar as soon as Britain leaves EU’

SPANISH officials have sent a chilling warning to Britain after claiming they will take Gibraltar the day after Britain potentially exits the European Union.
By Charlie Peat
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The country's Foreign Minister said his country will poach the British outpost “the very next day” but the comments have been condemned in the UK.

Ukip blasted Jose Manual Garcia-Margallo's “territorial threats” and reassured the people of Gibraltar that they had “nothing to fear” from a possible Brexit.
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But Gibraltar’s chief minister Fabien Picardo said Spain could “pounce on us” if UK decided to leave the EU.

He said: “It is safer and more secure for Gibraltar to remain in the EU to deny Mr Margallo the opportunity to pounce on us.

“We have fought to ensure that Gibraltar is able to vote in the Brexit referendum so that we can influence that decision.”

Last year MPs warned British lives were being put at risk by “aggressive, illegal” tacts from Spanish boats in the region.

Escalating tensions on The Rock have prompted Jack Lopresti, who is chairman of the All Party Parliamentary Group for Gibraltar, to urge the Government to "significantly increase" its naval presence in the Strait.

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Jose Manual Garcia-Margallo said Gibralter will be taken the following day

Julia Reid, the party’s MEP for Gibraltar, lashed out at comments and warned off any move made by Spain.

She said: “Gibraltar has nothing to fear, any move for the outpost, which is as British and Britain itself, would be repelled, as every attempt has been for hundreds of years.

“And even if Britain votes to leave the EU, it doesn’t make any difference, Gibraltar will still be British territory and that’s that.

“It sounds more like an old communique from Buenos Aires, rather than a new one from Madrid.”

Mr Margallo said "we’ll be talking about Gibraltar the very next day" if Britons vote to quit the bloc on June 23.
It comes as Mr Cameron said he was seriously concerned over the escalation of tensions between Spain and Britain over Gibraltar.

In a blatant act of aggression, Spain warned that it is ready to impose border taxes and close its airspace to planes heading towards Gibraltar airport.

Mr Cameron said: "Clearly, we remain concerned by the events at the Spain/Gibraltar border."

He added: "Specifically the issue of border fees, the Spanish have not raised the prospect of introducing border fees with us."

Last week, Gibraltar's chief minister accused Spain of acting like North Korea over the dispute.

Fabian Picardo, Gibraltar's chief minister, said Spain was acting like dictators and using "politics of madness" to get its way.

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A Foreign Office spokesman said: “The Prime Minister has made clear that the UK Government will meet its constitutional commitments to the people of Gibraltar and will not compromise on sovereignty.

“Our differences with Spain on Gibraltar will be resolved by political means through our relationship as EU partners, not through disproportionate measures such as the border delays we have seen over the past week.

"We have many common interests with Spain and wish to continue to have a strong relationship at every level with the Government of Spain.”
 

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Perfectly in accordance with my prediction of EU NATO disintegration cum INTERNAL WARS.

Good Bye NATO!

恭喜发财!
 

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UK navy is a joke. their aircraft carrier is limping n they r running out of harpoons. Argentina can go invade Falklands again.
 
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