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Serious Another contribution to the world that Hokkiens can be proud of

halsey02

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Interesting learnt something new today. The other sauce I know is, sauce for goose,sauce for gander...ha ha ha ha
 

frenchbriefs

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Ok sauce of the fishermen and coolies,so what?

Shall I introduce u to the Pinoy delicacy called paq paq chicken otherwise known as garbage​ chicken.
 

ginfreely

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Interesting learnt something new today. The other sauce I know is, sauce for goose,sauce for gander...ha ha ha ha

Really? Unlike that fucktonese accountant, i never collaborated with anyone - what more another country/race - to harm others.
 

ginfreely

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Ok sauce of the fishermen and coolies,so what?

Shall I introduce u to the Pinoy delicacy called paq paq chicken otherwise known as garbage​ chicken.

No you read the article, this story of ketchup has big significance of China as a world power last time and role of Hokkiens.

"The story of ketchup—from the fermented fish sauces of China and Southeast Asia to the sweet chutneys of England and America—is, after all, a story of globalization and of centuries of economic domination by a world superpower. But the superpower isn't America, and the century isn't ours. Think of those little plastic packets under the seat of your car as a reminder of China’s domination of the global world economy for most of the last millennium."
 

ginfreely

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WHAT TO EAT. WHAT NOT TO EAT.
MAY 30 2012 6:15 AM
The Cosmopolitan Condiment
An exploration of ketchup’s Chinese origins.

By Dan Jurafsky
Heinz ketchup.
Modern ketchup has its roots in—you guessed it—Chinese fish sauce
Scott Eells/Bloomberg via Getty Images.

Fast food is America’s signature export, and one of its most pervasive: Every day another few outlets open in Europe or Asia, spreading the distinctively American diet to the world. It’s ironic, then, that hamburgers, french fries, and ketchup are not even originally ours, a fact that is clear from what we call them. The large German contribution to American cuisine is obvious in words like hamburger, frankfurter, and pretzel, while french fries make their Franco-Belgian origins plain. And, of course, ketchup is Chinese.
Yes, dear reader, the word ketchup originally meant “fish sauce” in a dialect of Fujian province, the humid coastal region that also gave us the word “tea” (from Fujianese te). As it happens, Fujianese immigration to the United States has increased in recent years, so you can now sample Fujianese dishes in Chinatowns up and down the East Coast, paired with the homemade red rice wine that is a specialty of the province. The history of this red rice wine is intertwined with that of ketchup—but while the wine has stayed largely the same over the centuries, ketchup has undergone quite a transformation.

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ginfreely

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No you read the article, this story of ketchup has big significance of China as a world power last time and role of Hokkiens.

"The story of ketchup—from the fermented fish sauces of China and Southeast Asia to the sweet chutneys of England and America—is, after all, a story of globalization and of centuries of economic domination by a world superpower. But the superpower isn't America, and the century isn't ours. Think of those little plastic packets under the seat of your car as a reminder of China’s domination of the global world economy for most of the last millennium."

"The story begins more than 500 years ago, when this province on the South China Sea was the bustling center of seafaring China. Fujianese-built ships sailed as far as Persia and Madagascar and took Chinese seamen and settlers to ports throughout Southeast Asia. Down along the Mekong River, Khmer and Vietnamese fishermen introduced them to their fish sauce, a pungent liquid with a beautiful caramel color that they made (and still make) out of salted and fermented anchovies. This fish sauce is now called nuoc mam in Vietnamese or nam pla in Thai, but the Chinese seamen called it ke-tchup, “preserved-fish sauce” in Hokkien—the language of southern Fujian and Taiwan."
 

ginfreely

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"Fujianese settlers took ke-tchup with them to Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines; the word was even adopted by Indonesians (although today in Bahasa Indonesia, the language of Indonesia, kecap just means “sauce”). Fujianese settlers also brought along fermented red rice, the seasoning their chefs had long used to flavor stews and braises. The immigrants began to turn this red rice into arrack, an early ancestor of rum, by distilling the fermented rice together with molasses and palm wine. Chinese factories were established on Java and Sumatra to make both fish sauce and arrack.

When Dutch and British merchants came to Southeast Asia around 1600 seeking spices, textiles, and porcelain, they quickly began to buy immense quantities of arrack from the Chinese. “Batavia arrack” became the main ingredient in punch, the world’s first cocktail."
 

ginfreely

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"The Chinese origins of our national sauce aren’t just a fun bit of culinary trivia—ketchup’s history offers a new way to look at global economic history. If you subscribe to a traditional Western model of Asian economics, China turned inward in 1450 during the Ming dynasty and became isolated and economically irrelevant, leading to stagnation and a low standard of living until the West finally dragged Asia into the world economy in the 19th and early 20th century.

But the vast production and trade of ke-tchup (not to mention arrack and less delicious goods like textiles and porcelain) well into the 18th century tell a different tale. Recent scholars have shown that the Chinese government’s bans on private sea trade were repeatedly rescinded, and in any case were ignored by Hokkien merchants and pirates, who continued to sail and trade illegally on a massive scale. In fact, by the time British sailors brought ketchup back to England, China was the richest nation in the world by any measure—including standard of living, life span, per-capita income, military strength—and produced the bulk of the whole world’s GNP. China’s control of intra-Asia trade together with its superior manufacturing technology (in textiles, clothing, ceramics, and of course fermentation) meant that China dominated the world economy until the industrial revolution."
 

ginfreely

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Tsk tsk tsk two fucktonese in this thread are very jealous of Hokkiens' achievement and very low class to use filthy lies and dirty tricks.
 

The_Hypocrite

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Now we know why Hokkiens' standing so low, thanks to contribution like this by low class mudlander Chinese. China and Spore Hokkiens are so high class in comparison and got so much achievement, all smeared and tainted by mudlander Chinese bastard in the video!

Uh u respond to your own comments?
 

jw5

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The origin is clearly explained in the article and posted in above posts. Are you insinuating anything by kway chup?

Nope. Kway chup is 粿汁, a Teochew dish of flat, broad rice sheets in a soup made with dark soy sauce, served with pig offal, braised duck meat, various kinds of beancurd, preserved salted vegetables, and braised hard-boiled eggs. :biggrin:
 

ginfreely

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Nope. Kway chup is 粿汁, a Teochew dish of flat, broad rice sheets in a soup made with dark soy sauce, served with pig offal, braised duck meat, various kinds of beancurd, preserved salted vegetables, and braised hard-boiled eggs. :biggrin:

Oh ok great to know you were not insinuating. Too many insinuating and insulting bastards around in this thread alone.
 

ginfreely

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So many insinuating and insulting bastards have marred this otherwise great thread creating awareness of hokkien contribution to the world.
 
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