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Chitchat Wiill Spore proceed with the carbon tax when Trump doesn't care?

desmondquek

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Climate change is scam. Pollution is real.

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Falsification of c02 greenhouse effects within the frame of physics : https://arxiv.org/pdf/0707.1161.pdf
 

virus

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carbon tax has died out over the past 2 years, it is passe. scorned by the ones who create it. the only purpose is to seek to increase revenue. a soylent green tax would have been more purposeful. useless sinkies that contribute nothing but carry balls should be strung high at the former high court n let to die if they can cough up enough to pay tax.
 

johnny333

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I agree that the main reason the PAP wants to implement all these taxes is to extract $$$ from us. Just look at the proposed price increases of water. They could not provide enough good reasons for the price increase.

Businesses will be paying for this carbon tax but the final bill will be passed to consumers e.g. higher transportation cost, higher electricity costs, higher petrol costs,...

All these increases reminds me of past increases. They are announced 1 to 2 years after they win the GE.
It's no secret that Temasek has lost plenty of $ and we are now paying for Ho Chings mistakes.
 

Leongsam

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Climate change is a load of bullshit. Thank goodness the USA elected someone sensible as President.
 

halsey02

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I agree that the main reason the PAP wants to implement all these taxes is to extract $$$ from us. Just look at the proposed price increases of water. They could not provide enough good reasons for the price increase.

Businesses will be paying for this carbon tax but the final bill will be passed to consumers e.g. higher transportation cost, higher electricity costs, higher petrol costs,...

All these increases reminds me of past increases. They are announced 1 to 2 years after they win the GE.
It's no secret that Temasek has lost plenty of $ and we are now paying for Ho Chings mistakes.

Can we blame it all entirely on Ho Ching?, blame the voters, they are the one, who give them the mandate & an 'OPEN CHEQUE" to write any amount & do anything in which there is no accountability by hiding under layers of bureaucracy that will take 104 man years to dig out.

I have said this for a long time, & will say it again....I shudder to think that, one day, we wake up, open up our newspapers that, out of every $100 we have in our CPF, it is only worth $10 or $1....due to mismanaged investments over the decades..now the news hit faster...from all the social media...the news.

We have became too trusting of people, who are holding on, to our BLOOD, SWEAT & TEARS savings...too trusting!
 

halsey02

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I agree that the main reason the PAP wants to implement all these taxes is to extract $$$ from us. Just look at the proposed price increases of water. They could not provide enough good reasons for the price increase.

Businesses will be paying for this carbon tax but the final bill will be passed to consumers e.g. higher transportation cost, higher electricity costs, higher petrol costs,...

All these increases reminds me of past increases. They are announced 1 to 2 years after they win the GE.
It's no secret that Temasek has lost plenty of $ and we are now paying for Ho Chings mistakes.

Just like the cigarettes thing...that they "look after your health" & every excuse to raise tobacco tax & launching curbs to places to smoke. Had the smoking problems abated?...will the increase of FT here, the number of smokers had increased & tobacco tax, is a huge income earner. They are just doing a "Punch & Judy" show on cigarettes...look at the huge illegal cigarettes industry out there, the money to be made is mouth watering for the legals & illegals...

So, it is a bullshit! they look after your health!...now they want to raise the smoking age to 21....might as ell, ban all tobacco, like they banned chewing gum...since they are so caring for your health....I am not encouraging or promoting smoking, I do not smoke....but the actions are never sincere...it is all about making money.
 

frenchbriefs

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oh right of course,because trump knows whats best for you.

carbon tax should be in everything,it should punish the rich most,for the amount of things they consume and waste,like private jets and yatches,vehicles that consume a lot of energy and fuels,like lamborginis and ferraris compared to a Toyota prius,Hyundai,puegeot 208 or volkswagon egolf,people who live in huge homes that guzzle up thousands of kwh of electricity should have a huge carbon tax levied upon them compared to those who live in green economical apartments,if u dont own a car and take public transport,u should receive carbon tax credits or income tax savings every year.if u install solar panels and go off grid,more carbon credits and rebates.

if u drive things like lamborgini avantador,aston martin,ferrari GT,bentley continental,rolls royce phantom,maserati gran turismo and suvs,massive carbon tax out the ying yang,if u buy things that are excessive and uses tons of resources and environmental damage like or 70 inch flat screen tvs,more carbon tax pls.
 
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johnny333

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The carbon tax is another example of a regressive tax where "the lesser mortals" will end up paying more than the richie riches living in Spore. Why else would the PAP be interested in implementing it? They would not want to tax themselves or their cronies :rolleyes:

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/february/kolstad-carbon-tax-022814.html

Stanford research finds carbon regulation burden heaviest on poor

Stanford research reveals that it is ultimately people – not corporations – who would bear the costs of climate change regulation. Under a hypothetical carbon tax, households in the lowest income group would pay as a percent of income more than twice what households in the highest 10 percent of income distribution pay. The findings suggest a fairer way to regulate greenhouse gases in the United States.

By Clifton B. Parker

The heaviest burden for climate change regulation costs falls on people – especially lower income groups – and not corporations, according to new Stanford research.

The reason is that companies ultimately pass on those costs to people. For the poor, basic necessities take up a bigger chunk of the budget than for the rich.

"Households in the lowest income group pay, as a percent of income, more than twice what households in the highest 10 percent of the income distribution pay," wrote economist Charles Kolstad, a senior fellow at the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research and the Precourt Institute for Energy.

The research gives impetus to adopting a fairer approach to carbon regulation costs, Kolstad said.

"This regressivity can be addressed through transfer payments, if and when the U.S. decides to regulate greenhouse gases leading to climate change," said Kolstad, who researches environmental economics, regulation and climate change. As an example, he suggests reducing the payroll tax for lower income groups as a way to make a carbon tax more fair.

The study examined Bureau of Economic Analysis data and used a $15 per metric ton carbon "tax" as a scenario. In other words, every person or organization (such as a company) that emits carbon into the atmosphere would pay a tax on the total amount emitted multiplied by $15 per metric ton of carbon. The researchers looked at how such a hypothetical tax would hit individual income groups, industries and different regions.

Kolstad said that price and substitution effects may somewhat dampen the regressive nature of such costs. For example, when prices change, people change what they do. If the price of heating oil goes up, people may use more electricity or natural gas to warm their homes.

The paper was published as a SIEPR policy brief and is based on detailed analysis by Kolstad and Corbett Grainger of the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
Fairness issue

Their research points out that carbon regulation involves the question of who pays the most and the least – an issue with political and social consequences. Analyzing greenhouse cost burdens is important due to the urgency of coping with global warming, which may lead to sea-level rise, local temperature and precipitation changes, and increased frequency of extreme weather.

Kolstad said, "One of the most significant problems associated with passing any sort of legislation is perceived fairness. Although there are other issues, fairness in paying for the legislation and fairness in the benefits that the legislation generates can be key to passage. This work helps understand the extent to which paying for carbon legislation can be perceived as fair or unfair, with obvious remedies for correcting any unfairness."

The poorest households spend a higher percentage of their income on fuels for heating and transportation, while higher income individuals spend proportionately a greater amount on services, which usually have lower than average carbon emissions per unit of output.

"Emissions increase more slowly as income increases. Thus, one would expect some regressivity in a carbon tax," the study stated.

Kolstad expected the regressive nature of carbon regulations to be even more dramatic.

"I thought that a carbon regulation would be far more regressive, falling on the shoulders of the poor more than it does," he said.

This expectation, he said, was based on the fact that lower income Americans often drive older, less fuel-efficient cars and frequently commute long distances to work to access lower cost housing. "Although that mental model may be correct, transportation fuel is only part of the picture," he said.
Impacts on industry

While the costs of greenhouse gas regulations are broadly spread over the entire economy, some industries are hit harder, according to the study's hypothetical carbon tax. These would include electric power, fertilizer, cement and coal-related industries like mining and transportation. Lime, a key ingredient in the manufacture of cement, would see the highest cost increase at 15 percent.

"The extent to which these industries are ultimately disadvantaged depends on the extent to which they are able to pass costs on to customers," the research noted.

Still, these most highly affected industries contributed only 1 percent to the total gross output of the U.S. economy in 2011, according to the study.

"This suggests that the adverse incidence of such a tax can be ameliorated through highly targeted financial assistance, without reducing the incentive benefits of a carbon tax," the paper stated.

Another question is which regions bear the most or least cost of carbon regulations. This is a bit more complicated to examine, as the coal mining companies operating in Wyoming may have owners in San Francisco or New York, Kolstad said.

Research shows that while the total out-of-the-pocket carbon tax costs may be similar across U.S. regions, the price of electricity may vary considerably. Thus, one could expect higher electrical costs in coal-dependent states like Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi and Alabama.

As for whether the United States adopts greenhouse gas regulations, he is pessimistic in the short run – but optimistic in the long run.

"Policy windows happen in which the conditions are right for congressional action. We are not in one now, but I am confidant these will arise at some point in the future," Kolstad said.
 
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