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    Default Support ROC Independence! Don't forget the atrocities of the commie crooks!

    Let not their blood and tears be in vain!

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    Default Re: Support ROC Independence! Don't forget the atrocities of the commie crooks!

    u do realise if the kmt won the war they would be the commie chinks themselves no?its just a matter of whose in charge.and america's and japans downfall would come even sooner cause china would embrace capitalism 30 years sooner,in fact japan might not even reach the height of prosperity they have cause china would eat away all their market share,and the world will be speaking mandarin today.

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    Default Re: Support ROC Independence! Don't forget the atrocities of the commie crooks!

    Quote Originally Posted by frenchbriefs View Post
    u do realise if the kmt won the war they would be the commie chinks themselves no?its just a matter of whose in charge.and america's and japans downfall would come even sooner cause china would embrace capitalism 30 years sooner,in fact japan might not even reach the height of prosperity they have cause china would eat away all their market share,and the world will be speaking mandarin today.
    No point talking about "IF". The KMT lost and Taiwan is now a full-fledged democracy. History is never about "IF". There is only the NOW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kryonlight View Post
    No point talking about "IF". The KMT lost and Taiwan is now a full-fledged democracy. History is never about "IF". There is only the NOW.
    How cum Sillypore NO Full-Fledged Democracy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kryonlight View Post
    No point talking about "IF". The KMT lost and Taiwan is now a full-fledged democracy. History is never about "IF". There is only the NOW.
    according to einstein's law of relativity,NOW is always a subsequent byproduct of THEN and IF.there is no now without the past.

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    Default Re: Support ROC Independence! Don't forget the atrocities of the commie crooks!

    Quote Originally Posted by frenchbriefs View Post
    there is no now without the past.
    That's right. The KMT lost in the past and now Taiwan is a full-fledged democracy. No point talking about "IF THE KMT HAD WON" scenario because it's all lost in the quantum wave function that has already collapsed donkey years ago. Nobody knows what the result would be if the quantum wave function collapsed the other way, and it's pointless to talk about it.
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    Default Re: Support ROC Independence! Don't forget the atrocities of the commie crooks!

    I do not have any political affiliation (to commies, or others). However between PRC and ROC, I would select Taiwan. I cannot see myself living in a country that does not permit religious freedom, enforces population control, and has travel restrictions. And no rock music (unless its government endorsed!).

    Cheers!

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    Default Re: Support ROC Independence! Don't forget the atrocities of the commie crooks!

    Quote Originally Posted by kryonlight View Post
    Let not their blood and tears be in vain!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEqsBrCE64s

    Unforgettable movie, they should not be forgotten.

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    雨 太急了 仿佛真是为了洗去哀伤
    山 太高了 难道只因早已无处可躲
    河 太宽了 仿佛注定永远无法渡过

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     永远短暂如彩虹抓也抓不住

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    Default Re: Support ROC Independence! Don't forget the atrocities of the commie crooks!

    Japan will invade China again once Taiwan declares independence.

    When Chinese fights, foreigners win!

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    Default Re: Support ROC Independence! Don't forget the atrocities of the commie crooks!

    Regardless how many millions will die freeing Taiwan from PRC, the 5 star flag will still rise there.



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    中国军方前高官建议为“武统”台湾做准备

    郑仲岚 BBC中文网台湾特约记者

    2016年 10月 21日

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    解放军南京军区原副司令员王洪光星期五(10月21日)撰文表示,蔡英文政府的台独意图明显,以“反分裂法 ”制裁的条件显现,这篇文章在台湾引起关注。

    王洪光在文章中表示,蔡英文自从就任总统后,不提“九二共识”和“一中原则”,已触怒大陆,并建议大陆开始 就“武统作准备”

    他说,蔡英文表示“不会屈服中国压力”与“力抗中国压力”等用语是彻底拒绝了中国大陆的善意,以及替蔡英文 预留“未完成的答卷”。

    而蔡英文所提名的三位大法官人选,都直接或间接表态“不认同中华民国”,更是明显的“台独行径 ”。

    他在文中呼吁,之前大陆制定“反分裂法”的武统条件之一“和平统一可能性消失”正愈发明显,必要时可以在台 地理环境下,进行武装夺取台湾的“战备阶段”。
    台湾关注

    台湾澹江大学国际关係暨战略研究所博士前国防专家立委林郁方办公室主任揭仲接受BBC中文网记者访问时表示 :“这是一贯方式”。

    他并认为“共军会有很多鹰派将领,常这样出来轮流撰文发言,有时候也是『故意的』,需要在舆论上给台湾压力 ,在国际上对钓鱼台等其他地区,都是一样”。

    揭仲向中文网记者表示:“大陆在年初才刚实施军改,现在要做任何的军事行动都是最不可能,他们自己的组织内 部还在调整,现在对中共军队自己是多事之秋,这次军改幅度很大,很多单位也新成立,都在做移拨 ”。

    中国大陆在今年的2月实施作战区域改制,原先的“七大军区”改为“五大战区”,其中东部战区的陆军机关驻地 就位于福建省福州市,距离台湾仅馀几百公里。

    王洪光在文中也表示,要活用“东部战区”的精锐力量,在近几年实战化的训练基础上,加强备战训 练跟演习。

    当时许多台湾媒体也认为,这样的改制是在因应台湾由民进党执政后,所调整的一些军事动作。

    但台湾军事专家施孝玮,则对BBC中文网表示:“我觉得是既有调整,目前看不出是针对台湾”。

    揭仲认为,任何的作战区改革后都需要长期演练,甚至磨合期,因此他认为2020年是比较关键的时刻:“组织 也好、战术也好、主战装备也好,到了2020年会比较到位”。

    他再补充:“台湾国防部目前的评估,也是以2020年作为一个基础,台方也会就陆方组织调整、军改进度去预 测陆方的完整时程,大陆部队组织很庞大,要达成目的需要较久时间”。

    对于2020年是否真的牵一髮动全身,揭仲也说:“除非2020年前,大陆有认为台方有做出他们自认违反『 反分裂法』的举动,否则不太会进入武力冲突”。

    谈到蔡英文,揭仲也认为她会一直紧抓“维持现状”不会再同过去陈水扁时期喊“一边一国”,这对大陆当局来说 也是个难题。除非陆方有找到一个点,明确表示台湾触碰“反分裂法”,否则谈用武力都还太早。
    台湾大选前的警告

    今年初,台湾大选举行前,王洪光撰文称,若蔡英文当选,绝不姑息养奸。

    文章还批评蔡英文,尽管大陆“官方频频向岛内喊话,再三强调九二共识”,“蔡英文仍一意孤行,拒不承认九二 共识,不承认一个中国,用所谓维持现状、不挑衅、多沟通等说辞来麻痹敷衍民意”,“是不是把大陆的警告当作 耳旁风了?”

    在谈到蔡英文上台后的两岸关系时,文章预计:没有“九二共识”的蔡英文一旦上台,“绝没有什么听其言、观其 行的缓冲期。”

    文章警告称:蔡英文及其“台独”势力,不要心存侥幸,大陆不会咽下“台独”的苦果,不会与“台 独”沟通。

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    The french tried to invade China unsuccessfully in 1870s and as such it set back Chinese to trust Westerners and crush democracy. A then poor nation after the war only think of tightened the belt to begin rebuilding the nation. Taiwan was not ready for democracy but fake it. Americans did want a poor Taiwan to control the people. So what democracy?

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    不管百姓什么意愿企图,要统一绝对必须准备决心抹杀经济考虑。不止钱要烧,人更是要杀。这是最基本起码的门 槛起点。而且无 论钱财人命都不可以小气吝啬。干统一大业,不是阿姨买菜。这些阿姨心思如果不果断的践踏踩碎,就吃屎跳楼不 要提正事儿啦。这些阿姨买菜心态的人,必须以实际的血腥杀戮解放台湾,来实际教育他们,让他们柔肠寸断心脏 病发入院归天。





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    台军出报告称2020被武统 评:大陆已忍不了
    2016-09-02 第63期

    台军方发布报告,称解放军已做好2020年武统台湾的准备。专家称战略是温水煮青蛙。

    台军出报告称2020被武统 评:大陆已忍不了

    聚焦台军出报告称2020被武统

    安东:其实说到台湾,今天这个台湾就在台北市大热天,但是呢人家台湾的防务部门专门组织了一场 规模盛大的叫 做亲民活动,让民众参观把装甲车坦克都推到马路上,光着膀子秀肌肉。台湾媒体解释说,是为什么 要做这场活动 呢,主要的目的就是向对岸的解放军弟兄们喊话,因为这个台湾防务部门我们也看到8月31日是发 布了一个叫做 五年兵力整建以及施政计划报告,在这份报告书当中就指出,说大陆对于台湾针对性军事演习一点都 没有减少,而 且目前已经具备了封夺台湾外岛离岛登陆的能力。解放军将会在2020年之前完成对台用武全面性 作战的能力整 备,报告当中还指出了解放军军队攻台的七个可能时机,包括台湾宣布独立或者明确朝向独立,台湾 的内部动荡不 安,或者说台湾获得了核武器,或者两岸和平统一对话的延迟以及外国势力介入台湾事务,或者外国 兵力进驻台湾 等等这些情况。并且表示呢,解放军目前已经具备了对台首波瘫痪突击与威慑效果,具备了封夺台湾 外岛离岛的登 陆战力。至于说大陆攻台的模式都有什么呢?则包括了像联合军事威慑、联合封锁作战、联合火力打 击、夺占外岛 作战等等这样的四种模式。

    万俊:邱先生来看,这份报告写的叫像模像样。

    邱震海:像模像样,对。

    万俊:但很多人就在问了说,台湾官方一直都在说大陆正在为2020年攻打台湾做准备,之前可能 有的人想怎么 可能打,但是现在仔细想想,你要蔡英文再这么折腾下去,搞不好这事可能就真的有这样的一个可能 性,你觉得有 没有这种可能性。

    邱震海:有可能性,当然这个假如说有一天中国人打中国人确实是一个悲剧,但是如果说台湾真的走 到那一步的话 ,其实我觉得在大陆领导者的眼光里面,或者大陆其他部分民众眼光里面,两岸关系是重中之重,那 是中国人内部 的事务,是不允许不可以两岸有分裂,所以从这个意义上说,理论上是有这种可能性。

    万俊:有这种可能性,可能性大吗,你觉得。

    邱震海:有这种可能性,当然这个我觉得蔡英文或者她的官方也不至于愚蠢到这个程度,也不至于在 几种时机或者 几种可能性当中一定会涉及一种,让中国大陆完全是攻台的这种可能性。从整体上来说,我觉得可能 还是一种温水 煮青蛙的一种方式,并不是说一定宣布台独,朝向台独,外国军队进驻,这些都是太明显的特征了, 而温水煮青蛙 的方式可能是更非常有可能会出现的,那种就量变到质变的过程,让你到时候说不出道不出,没有一 种直接出兵的 可能,但实际上情况在累计的过程当中。

    安东:所以刚刚这个报告当中,您看他提到说,解放军他们预计将会在2020年这个时间点前后, 就会完成对台 用武全面性作战能力的整备。

    邱震海:这里面有几种可能性,一种说实在的那么多年台湾官方或者台湾军方他总归要涉及一个假想 敌,要不然他 练兵干什么呢,他练兵不可能讲是美国或者日本去攻他吧,也不可能讲是越南和菲律宾攻他吧,攻他 的唯一的可能 性就中国大陆,所以要不然他就非常借口来整装他的武备这是第一个可能性。第二个可能性,从20 20年也并非 完全空穴来风,因为2020是什么日子呢?2020说实在是民进党第一任届完成了,2020是 美国的亚太兵 力60%要全部返回到亚洲,2020也是中国大陆要完成军改,对不对,2020也是整个的我们 的这一代领导 人他的各种丰功伟绩要奠定的时候。那么2020从现在情况来看,前一阵美国布鲁津斯,布魯津斯 研究所有过一 个发言,说中国大陆对台湾的战略耐心正在失去,因为说实在的以前那个时代还比较好弄,你是明的 ,蔡英文现在 温水煮青蛙,你什么时候是个点呢,这个游戏不值得再继续玩下去了,所以就看中国大陆有没有足够 的战略耐心, 陪你继续玩下去,所以2020呢是蔡英文民进党第一任期结束的时候,有没有第二任期现在不得而 知。

    万俊:还是个未知数。

    邱震海:还是个未知数,所以假如说她连任的话,恐怕中国大陆不会有足够的耐心来继续玩这个游戏 。

    万俊:没错。

    邱震海:当然前提是未来四五年中国大陆的经济民生要正好,底气要足。



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    海峡论谈: 武统碰上天然独 两岸2017摊牌?
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    海峡论谈:武力统一台湾vs.民主统一中国?&台海进入危险期 美协防意愿降低?
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    解放军在蔡英文就职前夕密集登陆演习,蔡英文上任之后频繁视察三军基地,上周二更进入俗称“衡 山指挥所”的 联合作战指挥中心,神情严肃地观看大屏幕上的解放军动态。台海是否即将进入危险期? 未来究竟是北京用武力统一台湾还是台湾以宪政民主制度统一中国? 海峡论谈专访美中台三位来宾: 赵岩、李毅、许剑虹畅谈不同观点。

    《环球时报》日前与上海社科院合作,围绕“武统台湾”的问题进行线上民调,结果有高达85.1 %的受访者支 持以武力统一台湾;近6成的受访者认为,五年内是武力攻台的最佳时机。

    究竟武统这个选项是否已经被激活? 曾对此发表多篇文章的中国旅美社会学家、美国迪堡大学兼职教授李毅在海峡论谈节目中表示,现在 支持武力统一 台湾的人恐怕不是一个两个,而是许多的大陆民众和学者都支持这个想法,这应该是一个“大势所趋 ,人心所向“ 的想法。

    不过前纽约时报中国问题研究员赵岩指出,上海社科院的民调只是一个数字,但是真实情况是怎么样 的我们不知道 。现在中国的民调局限性很大,很多人的声音其实根本是出不来的。尤其是上海社科院所做的这个民 调的科学背景 值得怀疑。我个人反对武力统一台湾,应该更加考虑和平和民主的方式加强两岸的融合。

    在台北演播室参与海峡论谈节目的军事评论员许剑虹分析,两岸关系今天为何倒退到让武统成为被讨 论的选项,这 是台湾民粹和本土思想导致的结果还有太阳花运动的效应。现在蔡英文上台,她肯定不可能继续采取 这种激进的方 法来管理台湾,现在她也在向大陆释出一些善意,尤其是她提拔了一些亲大陆的官员负责对大陆事务 ,同时民进党 政府甚至提出了在台海问题上与大陆合作,这相对于马英九政府都是更进了一步。但是蔡英文也不能 立刻提出统派 的态度,否则她将失去她的深绿支持者。许剑虹认为,北京不太可能真正动用武力,大陆政府可能会 采取其他强硬 的政策来反制。他也呼吁北京应该给蔡英文多一点时间。

    不过李毅表示,在过去几十年中,无论大陆是什么情况,无论台湾到底是谁执政,台湾支持台独的人 数都是稳步上 升,这种所谓的“天然独”是民进党政府搞台独教育的成功的结果。台湾作为一个民主社会,如果台 湾想要和大陆 统一,必须要大部分台湾人支持,但问题是台湾支持统一的人将会越来越少,那么在未来,大陆和台 湾的和平统一 已经没有希望了。无论谁坐在习近平的位子上,如果和平统一没有希望,你又会怎么办?李毅认为习 近平给蔡英文 的时间最多半年,武统时间表就定在2017年元旦至2017年五一之间。

    赵岩认为,和平统一的道路仍然是存在的。重点是中国大陆的政府敢不敢把对岸的思想接纳进来,如 果你本身都不 够自信,不敢把对方不一样的思想和社会制度接纳寄来,那么又有什么统一可谈呢?至于李毅提出2 017这个武 统时间表,赵岩说,过去曾与习近平把酒言欢的好朋友袁红冰也曾经提出2012台湾大劫难,预言 没有成真,预 测武统台湾的时间表没有意义。

    致于北京对台对港政策,究竟出了什么问题,才使台湾和香港独立的声音日益高涨?赵岩说,台湾人 已经习惯了民 主框架下的生活,那么现在你让他们回到一个专制的框架下是不现实的。世界实践马克思主义、社会 主义的国家都 已经失败了,那么中国是否还一定要抱着马列主义不放,那么意识形态就导致了统一肯定是没有可能 的。社会制度 改变了,才有可能协商统一的问题。

    另一方面,在虚拟世界中,当帝吧的爱国小粉红们碰撞上台湾的婉君和天然独世代,两岸年轻人在互 联网上的冲突 越来越尖锐,这是否有可能反映在现实世界中?许剑虹说,时至今日为什么无论蓝绿的台湾民众不希 望统一的越来 越多,中共是应该做一些反思了,真正去了解台湾的民众想要什么,对于台湾的政策出了什么问题。 大陆一直太过 于重视和台湾所谓的精英阶层接触,忽视了台湾的中下阶层尤其是和年轻人的联系。 “天然独”这个概念其实都是教育教出来的,北京应该去多做互相了解,和年轻人接触、和民进党接触 ,而不是一 直强调所谓的国共的情感,因为对于现在的台湾人,这种情感对他们没有任何触动。

    究竟两岸和平统一是否已经没有希望? 习近平是否正在考虑武统选项?

    更多精彩评论,请收看 海峡论谈6/12完整版。​
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    Quote Originally Posted by kryonlight View Post
    Let not their blood and tears be in vain!

    别看这些苦苦啼啼的台湾歌仔戏了。等武统杀戮完成了,人死够了才一次过去哭够。现在还早啦!2017必是武 统年。

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    Excellent! Just lure Taipei DPP green fur turtles to come out and talk like yourself. Beijing had long awaited for this day. When PLA starts show within 3 days and you will see no more DPP govt. All the green fur turtles smashed and burnt. You pulled the trigger!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shittypore View Post
    How cum Sillypore NO Full-Fledged Democracy?
    Because PAP do not want chinese to behave like malays.

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    President Trump's inauguration is on January 20, 2017

    President Tsai is going to transit in Taiwan before his inauguration. Will they meet up?

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    Brother, this is a damn good classic and superior acting even by the supporting cast ! watched about 30 years ago.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santikhiri

    Refuge in Thailand[edit]
    In 1961, Tuan led some 4,000 battle-weary KMT troops out of Burma to a mountainous sanctuary in Mae Salong in Thailand. In exchange for asylum, the Thai government allowed them to stay on the understanding that they would assist in policing the area against communist infiltration.[7] As a result, most of the village's inhabitants today are ethnic Chinese and direct descendants of those KMT soldiers. At the same time, General Lee of the 3rd Regiment established his headquarters at Tham Ngob, north-west of Chiang Mai.[8] The KMT army was renamed "Chinese Irregular Forces" (CIF) and was placed directly under the control of a special task force, code-named "04", commanded by Bangkok.[5]

    After the soldiers reached Mae Salong, China and Thailand struck an agreement to transfer the administration of the group to the Thai government. The provincial governor of southern Thailand, Pryath Samanmit, was reassigned as the governor of Chiang Rai, to oversee the KMT division, but upon taking up his position, Samanmit was killed by communist insurgents. Soon afterwards, the KMT division was ordered to assist the Thai government to counter the advancing armies on Thailand's northern borders and the internal threat from the Communist Party of Thailand.[9] Fierce battles were fought in the mountains of Doi Laung, Doi Yaw, Doi Phamon, and Mae Aabb, and the communist uprising was successfully countered. The bloodiest operation was launched on 10 December 1970, a five-year-long campaign that claimed over 1,000 lives, many from landmines. It was not until 1982 that the soldiers were able to give up their arms and were discharged to settle down to a normal life at Mae Salong. As a reward for their service, the Thai government gave citizenship to most of the KMT soldiers and their families.[9]

    Despite the Thai government's attempts to integrate the KMT division and their families into the Thai nation, the inhabitants of Mae Salong preferred for many years to engage in the illegal opium trade, alongside the drug warlord Khun Sa of the Shan United Army.[3] In 1967, Tuan said in an interview with a British journalist:

    We have to continue to fight the evil of communism, and to fight you must have an army, and an army must have guns, and to buy guns you must have money. In these mountains, the only money is opium.[10]

    — Gen Tuan Shi-wen, Weekend Telegraph (London), 10 March 1967
    According to a CIA report in 1971, Mae Salong was then one of the largest heroin refineries in south-east Asia.[11] Only in the late 1980s, after Khun Sa's army was finally routed and pushed over the border into Myanmar by the Thai military, was the Thai government able to make any headway in taming the region – part of which involved crop substitution plans and giving the area a new name. Santikhiri meaning "hill of peace" was introduced by the Thai government in an effort to disassociate the area from its former image as an established opium zone.[12] King Bhumibol Adulyadej and other members of the royal family made regular visits as a sign of their support for the old soldiers who had fought against their own country for Thailand.

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    没问题啦!

    可以支持台湾独立的。唯一条件就是台湾要首先反攻大陆。去教训一下共产党。把共产党给打服气了。我们都一起 支持台湾独立。而且是中华老大。👍怎样?快点干!

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