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Chitchat The far right will win BIGLY in 2017 too - Austria, Italy, France

Thick Face Black Heart

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All across the world, anti-establishment and/or far right political parties or movements have gained significant traction, riding on the wave of resentment from rural communities, small townsfolk, and people without college degrees who have been disenfranchised by globalization, immigration, refugees, etc.

Brexit - A vote to leave the EU succeeded despite every poll showing otherwise.

US - Trump

France - Marine Le Pen and her National Front have gained significant ground and are heading into 2017 with strong showing

Italy - The radical 5StarsMovement has gained much traction over the past two years and pose a significant and credible challenge to Renzi.

Austria - Far right Freedom Party and its leader Norbert Hofer, who represents populism and anti-establishment sentiments sweeping across Austria, look set to win the elections next month.

The common thread in all these is anti-immigration, anti-globalization sentiments sweeping over the world.
 

gingerlyn

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I want to know if Singapore new immigrants who have pink IC also anti immigration? what do u think? possible?
 

AsiaDK

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how about China? will people in China go crazy and bring down communist party?

China might follow the Indian footsteps and demonetize their old notes. Corrupted officials are known to keep rooms of RMB100 notes.

I think the "right" in China will start to issue new bank notes soon to force the corrupted to reveal their $$$ and inject liquidity to their financial system.

200_million_yuan_official4_0.jpg
 

AsiaDK

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I want to know if Singapore new immigrants who have pink IC also anti immigration? what do u think? possible?

Yes sweet, there are known cases that Sgchinese went back to China to avoid NS.
Likely their parents are former PRC citizens
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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The referendum in Italy next weekend can eventually translate to an Italian EU exit.
https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/e...rendum-likely-to-be-a-game-changer-for-europe


Thanks for the article.

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Writing in the Financial Times, columnist Wolfgang Munchau entitled his recent piece on the referendum, “Italy’s Referendum holds the Key to the Future of the Euro,” with the subtitle, “On December 5, Europe could wake to an immediate threat of disintegration.”

Yet are such fears warranted?

On the face of it they are not.

The Italian referendum is not even about membership of the EU, it is about reforming the constitution with a focus on the Senate, or upper house of the Italian parliament.

The government wants to reduce the power of the upper house so that legislation can be passed more speedily.

If they win the Senate’s elected representatives will be replaced by local government representatives, whose mandate will be local issues with a central focus, constitutional affairs and EU matters.

It is hoped by reformists that these changes will speed the progress of legislation from drafting to implementation.

Currently, the reforms are unlikely to be passed as polling data confirms the majority of voters do not want a change (42%).

Those who do currently stands at 37%, whilst 21% remain undecided.

Failure is understandable if we look at past form - there have been many attempts to reform the constitution in the past.

One notable attempt was Massimo D’Alema's attempt in 1997, this came after another attempt in 1993.

Polls at the start of the campaign told a different story with the majority saying they would vote “Yes” for reform.

It seems this changed, however, when Prime Minister Matteo Renzi staked his job on the referendum, saying he would resign if he lost, and the “No” vote won.

If anything this turned the tide against him and in favour of the “No” campaign.

Although he has backtracked since making the pledge and has now said he will stay even if the referendum fails, most analysts expect him to resign, and it is the threat of his early resignation which is the main risk to triggering a series of steps leading to the possibility of a majority win for an anti-EU party like the Five Star Movement.

“It seems very likely that Matteo Renzi will step down as Prime Minister if the resulting vote is a "No", meaning President Mattarella will grant someone else the right to form a government," notes Handelsbanken’s Lars Henriksson.

If everyone is happy with the new coalition leader then nothing will change and things will go on as usual, however, if there is a problem recruiting a new leader then that could raise problems.

“If no new PM is supported inside the coalition, there will probably be efforts to form a government based on a new coalition. The problem with both alternatives is that Matteo Renzi will probably still be the leader of the biggest party, meaning any new prime minister will have his/hers credibility heavily undermined,” adds Henriksson.

The reason Renzi threatened to resign if the referendum failed may have been because he thought Italians would want to avoid the chaos caused by his resignation and the vacuum thereby left, however, he may have misjudged things according to Henriksson.

“This is a fact that Renzi has been trying to capitalize on, but instead he is now confronted with the fact that the prospect of political instability does not necessarily frighten Italians,” says the analyst.

In short, his plan appears to have backfired.

But the risk of instability caused by a Renzi resignation is that a snap election will be called a few months after the referendum to decide a new government and it is during that election that a party such as Five Star might win.

“The Five Star Movement and the governing Democratic Party seem to be neck to neck in recent polls. The FSM are pushing for a referendum on the euro membership and once that comes into play, we all know that anything can happen,” says Henriksson.

This is where the real threat to the EU arrives.

Under the current electoral system it is unlikely Five Star Movimiento (FSM) would winn an outright majority, however, to complicate matters, the electoral rules changed in July 2016.

The changes are embodied in what is called the Italicum, and were brought in to help increase the power of the party with the largest share of the vote.

Under the new rules, if a party wins over 40% of the share of the vote, it is awarded 340 extra seats, majorly increasing its parliamentary majority.

On this basis, it is possible that a scenario could evolve in which the referendum could lead, via a sequence of steps, to Italy exiting the Euro.

For example, if the referendum returns a “No” vote (which it probably will do) and Renzi resigns (which he probably will do) and no replacement can be agreed on (odds not known), and there is a snap election in two months’ time, Five Star could win 40% of the vote (which they may do) and then according to the Italicum get the bonus seats for being the largest party.

This would result in a Five Star government, which has said in its manifesto it would call for a referendum on membership of the EU.

Given the majority of Italians are against remaining in the EU, such a referendum might very well result in an ‘Italexit’.

The FT's Munchau note:

“A French or Italian exit from the euro would bring about the biggest default in history.

“Foreign holders of Italian or French euro-denominated debt would be paid in the equivalents of lira or French francs. Both would devalue.

“Since banks do not have to hold capital against their holdings of government bonds, the losses would force many continental banks into immediate bankruptcy.”

If the effect of the electoral changes embodied in the Italicum were a certainty then the above scenario would present a major threat, however, many analysts are more sanguine about the risks of the Italian referendum because the Italicum has had its legitimacy challenged in the Italian courts, and is currently under review.

“Early this year a Court in Messina sent the Italicum law for review to the Italian Constitutional Court under the suspicion it will breach the Italian Constitution,” says Handelsbanken's Henriksson.

The outcome of the case will not be known until after the referendum, but if the Italicum is okayed by the Constitutional Court that will also potentially see scope for a Five Star majority.

Indeed it is not entirely clear the extent of the Italicum's current legitimcay and whether it could hold sway in a snap election or not.

The greatest risk to the Euro is from Italy leaving the EU but this would require FSM winning a clear majority in a general election, a majority they could only gain with the premium seat add-on enshrined in the Italicum.

“If your obsession is fear of populism (in Italy in the most likely form of the Five Star Movement), then the huge number of bonus seats assigned for the biggest party under the Italicum should be your number one concern, and you should, therefore, hope for the outcome that maximises the probability of the Italicum being significantly changed to sharply reduce, if not eliminate the premium seats before the next election,” says Erik Nielsen, Global Chief Economist at Milan-based Unicredit Bank.

In short, Nielsen sees the referendum result as majorly influencing the outcome of the Italicum.

A win for the “Yes” camp would paradoxically lead to a higher chance of the Italicum being ratified with its premium seat clause intact, whilst a win for the

“No” camp and the resignation of Renzi would probably see the Italicum heavily watered down.

If the “No” vote succeeds, and the threat of early elections looms then there is a strong possibility the powers at B will want the Italicum changed before the election to ensure FSM do not sweep to power.

“A no-vote scenario …will immediately involve the president and a discussion with the key political leaders, all of whom will want the Italicum changed,” says Nielsen.

He sees this as a lesser risk than a win for the “Yes” vote which is ostensibly the less risky outcome
 

AsiaDK

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China might follow the Indian footsteps and demonetize their old notes. Corrupted officials are known to keep rooms of RMB100 notes.

I think the "right" in China will start to issue new bank notes soon to force the corrupted to reveal their $$$ and inject liquidity to their financial system.

200_million_yuan_official4_0.jpg

'We cannot imagine China carrying out demonetisation' says Chinese media
The 100 yuan note (around Rs. 1,000) is the highest currency note in China. A new 100 yuan note with improved security features was introduced in November 2015 to battle a widespread counterfeit problem.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...ese-media-india-china-relations/1/820318.html
 

winnipegjets

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All across the world, anti-establishment and/or far right political parties or movements have gained significant traction, riding on the wave of resentment from rural communities, small townsfolk, and people without college degrees who have been disenfranchised by globalization, immigration, refugees, etc.

Brexit - A vote to leave the EU succeeded despite every poll showing otherwise.

US - Trump

France - Marine Le Pen and her National Front have gained significant ground and are heading into 2017 with strong showing

Italy - The radical 5StarsMovement has gained much traction over the past two years and pose a significant and credible challenge to Renzi.

Austria - Far right Freedom Party and its leader Norbert Hofer, who represents populism and anti-establishment sentiments sweeping across Austria, look set to win the elections next month.

The common thread in all these is anti-immigration, anti-globalization sentiments sweeping over the world.

It is more than anti-immigration ...it is anti-non whites. Chinks should start to embrace China so that they can go to China when kicked out of those countries that seeks to return the glory days when few non-whites live amongst them and those non-whites were always below even the lowest white.
The glory days of angmoism.
 

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The rise of the right wing is due to the failures of left wing bleeding heart liberal fuckwit policies. So if these left wingers did their jobs to look after their own ppl 1st...the right wing would not have gotten this far
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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The rise of the right wing is due to the failures of left wing bleeding heart liberal fuckwit policies. So if these left wingers did their jobs to look after their own ppl 1st...the right wing would not have gotten this far


Shoving feminism, black lives matter, and postmodern deconstructionism down the throats of working class citizens whose jobs have been shipped overseas - that is a recipe for disaster. Worse still, calling these people racist and xenophobes and "deplorables" after their jobs have been lost and factories closed.

Then these liberal chaps wonder why Trump won.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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[h=1]With Populist Anger Rising, Italy May Be Next Domino to Fall[/h]http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/02/world/europe/italy-referendum-matteo-renzi.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

TURIN, Italy — Italy’s prime minister, Matteo Renzi, only 41, once seemed to have solved the riddle of how to survive Europe’s populist, anti-establishment tempest. But with a critical national referendum on Sunday, the populist wave is now threatening to crush him and plunge Italy into a political crisis when the European Union is already reeling.

From Washington to Brussels to Berlin, fears are rising that Italy may be stumbling into its own “Brexit” moment. What should be an inward-looking referendum on whether to overhaul Italy’s ossified political and electoral system has taken on much broader import. Financial analysts warn of a potential banking crisis, and pro-Europe supporters fear that a “no” vote in the referendum could accelerate the populist movement across the European bloc.

Italy is potentially the next domino to fall, partly because of the disillusionment of young voters. They have been swept up by many of the same forces that led peers in Spain and Greece to vote for upstart parties, the British to vote to leave the European Union, and Americans to elect Donald J. Trump. In France, President François Hollande announced on Thursday that he would not seek re-election — another establishment figure succumbing to the political moment.

Mr. Renzi’s supporters have taken to calling his opponents in the internet-born, populist Five Star Movement “Trumpisti.” They accuse their opponents’ numerous blogs and websites of flooding the Facebook accounts of young people with anti-Renzi, pro-Russian fake news. The referendum has essentially become a referendum on Mr. Renzi, who gave extra motivation to his political enemies by vowing to resign if voters reject the proposed political changes.

“A ‘no’ vote is a vote against Renzi,” said Matteo Roselli, 25, a liberal activist who spent a recent rainy evening in Turin handing out leaflets encouraging people to vote “no.”

With polls indicating that Mr. Renzi may fail, the possibility that he could resign, and force new elections or perhaps bring a caretaker government, has alarmed many leaders, including President Obama, who honored the Italian prime minister in his final state dinner in Washington and urged him to “hang around for a while no matter what.”

If Mr. Renzi does step aside, it could open the way for opponents who have threatened to carry the Continent’s fourth-largest economy out of the euro currency zone.

Such a prospect could destabilize the shaky Italian economy; have serious implications for Italy’s troubled banking system, which has been in crisis for a decade; and have a contagion effect around the eurozone.

“The problem with Italian banks is they are fragile and they are really big,” said Ángel Talavera, senior eurozone economist at Oxford Economics in London. “Banks of that caliber, as soon as you have any noise and rumors, it creates a really bad loop.”

Mr. Renzi, who captured Italians’ imagination by positioning himself as an outsider who would demolish an arthritic political system, is arguing that the constitutional overhaul proposed in the Sunday referendum would streamline government and create more stability in a country that has had 63 governments in 70 years. To speed up the often clogged legislative process, Mr. Renzi wants to drastically reduce the size of the Italian Senate and make it a mostly consultative body. Critically, the Senate would lose the power to bring down governing coalitions.

Critics say the proposal puts too much power in the prime minister’s hands. And Mr. Renzi is showing unexpected vulnerability among the young voters who helped propel his rise but now seem to want the same job protections and social benefits their parents had more than any opportunity Mr. Renzi’s changes might create. Much of the same dynamic has been playing out in Greece, Spain and even France.

The reversal has come despite Mr. Renzi’s image as the Coca-Cola guzzling, Apple-gadget-pecking embodiment of young Italians eager to modernize the country. According to a poll in the newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore, support for Mr. Renzi’s changes is strong among voters older than 65 and weak among people younger than 45, a group that opponents of the changes lead by 20 percentage points.

The beneficiary of that erosion appears to be the Five Star Movement, with its ability to win voters on the left and right with a mix of social liberalism, economic populism and tough law-and-order talk. It has been led by Beppe Grillo, 68, a former comedian who last month called Mr. Renzi a “serial killer” and celebrated Mr. Trump’s victory as a blunt rejection of the establishment.

In recent years, the merrily vulgar Mr. Grillo has stepped back so that a new generation of less rough, but perhaps no less radical, young politicians could step forward.

Here in Turin, Chiara Appendino, 32, beat Mr. Renzi’s favored Democratic Party candidate for mayor this year. In the election, she had the support of Mr. Roselli and many like him.

“Our voters are mainly young voters,” Ms. Appendino said after stepping out of the chandeliered City Hall chamber. “I believe there really is a generation of young people, and I feel in some way that I represent them, who have desire and ability, but who cannot get ahead.”

Ms. Appendino, who speaks German, French and English and is considered a rising star in her party, said that she did not consider herself anti-European, but she argued that the current European Union did not work.

Far from breaking with the establishment, Mr. Renzi had been co-opted by its bankers, bureaucrats and power brokers, she said.

Mr. Renzi is desperately trying to persuade Italians, a large slice of them still undecided, to back him.

“Today, we mustn’t get stuck in nostalgia,” Mr. Renzi told a crowd this week in Lingotto, the section of Turin that was once home to the automaker Fiat. “We must work for the future of our children.”

But even his young supporters worry that those words are wasted on the Italian youth, who as in so many other European countries are often unemployed.

In France, where the far-right National Front has emerged as a force, the youth unemployment rate is around 25 percent. And that looks good compared with Greece and Spain, both with more than 40 percent youth unemployment and strong populist movements.

In Italy, Mr. Renzi’s 2015 labor market overhaul, hailed by many investors, has so far failed to be the boon to employment his government expected. The youth unemployment rate is still around 35 percent. In the country’s south, where opposition to the change is solid, it is nearly 50 percent.

“The young are lined up against him,” Davide Giani, 20, said with a resigned shrug after an afternoon spent trying to hand out leaflets in support of a “yes” vote on the referendum only to see young Turinese turn them down. “They see this as an opportunity to lash out against the establishment.”

Back in the summer, Mr. Renzi predicted the gathering storm as he flew on the Italian Air Force One but nevertheless strained to see a silver lining in the unwrinkled faces of his new rivals.

“The good thing is that since we have come to power, there has been a generational leap forward,” Mr. Renzi said, adding that his likely opponents, Luigi Di Maio of the Five Star Movement and Matteo Salvini, the young leader of the anti-immigration and anti-Renzi Northern League, would be younger than he is. “Great!” he said. “A sign that something has changed.”

Some of Mr. Renzi’s older enemies across the political spectrum are latching onto the referendum to return to relevance. For them, the prospect of his premature exit has had the effect of a curtain call after a bloody opera, reanimating vengeful antagonists for a final bow on center stage.

Former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, 80, mindful that Mr. Renzi needs moderate center-right supporters, reversed his previous support for the constitutional overhaul out of sudden fear of “authoritarian drift.”

In Turin, former Prime Minister Massimo D’Alema, a member of Mr. Renzi’s Democratic Party who has received little deference from the current leader, delivered a disdain-dripping speech to mobilize elderly liberals and former communists against the change.

“He presents himself like the one who wants to rejuvenate the country, but the young people are against him,” Mr. D’Alema, 67, said in an interview, in which he mocked Mr. Renzi as a Twitter-obsessed “oaf” who had alienated labor unions and destroyed the left.

Mr. Renzi’s young supporters shudder at the very mention of Italy’s former leaders. On a rainy evening in Milan, Alessia Giuliani, 24, sat in a field office for the “yes” campaign hunched over lists of phone numbers she had spent the day calling in support of Mr. Renzi’s changes.

She spoke optimistically about all the older people who, having lived through scores of Italian governments, proclaimed their hope and confidence in Mr. Renzi.

But asked if she had had any luck persuading young people, her smile vanished and her hand landed woefully on her forehead.

“In general, the young voters are disinterested or for ‘no,’ ” explained her colleague, Stefano Angelinis, 24. “Many young people are going for Five Star.”
 

mojito

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Shoving feminism, black lives matter, and postmodern deconstructionism down the throats of working class citizens whose jobs have been shipped overseas - that is a recipe for disaster. Worse still, calling these people racist and xenophobes and "deplorables" after their jobs have been lost and factories closed.

Then these liberal chaps wonder why Trump won.

We called sinkies racists and xenophobes too. Thankfully we have accepted these words of wisdom and make things right again by voting more PAP.
 
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