Serious Heart Bypass advise needed

Some supplements that are effective for cardiovascular conditions.


To lower blood pressure (in random order) :

1) Olive Leaf + Celery Seed
http://sg.iherb.com/Life-Extension-...with-Celery-Seed-Extract-60-Veggie-Caps/61763

2) Grapeseed + Hawthorn
http://sg.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Blood-Pressure-Health-90-Vcaps/15014

3) Any magnesium supplement (directly lowers blood pressure + also prevent constipation which indirectly affects blood pressure, no shit!)
http://sg.iherb.com/search?kw=magnesium


To lower cholesterol :

Red Yeast Rice (while natural, it's still a statin, hence must still be taken with Ubiquinol to minimize statin side effects)

http://sg.iherb.com/search?kw=red+yeast+rice

http://sg.iherb.com/search?kw=Ubiquinol


Vitamin D also reduces risk of heart attacks and lowers blood pressure, in addition to preventing cancer and diabetes :

Most studies suggest that higher levels of 25(OH)D (Vitamin D) are associated with reduced cardiovascular risk. For example, higher serum 25(OH)D, 1,25(OH)2D, and oral vitamin D215 were associated with moderately but significantly lower blood pressure. There also was a beneficial association between serum 25(OH)D and risk of myocardial infarction, ischemic heart disease mortality, and congestive heart failure. - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470481/

http://sg.iherb.com/search?kw=Vitamin+D

I have been watching this thread since it surfaced and after 20 posts not a single post based on proper medical science. I have never seen the forum drop to this low before.

There are 2 approaches. First is science and evidence based which we know as Medicine or Medical Science. The second is alternative medicine which is not based on science or evidence. The latter is where people who do not have a formal degree in medicine peddle hocus pocus. There is also the 3rd type where people who fear invasive approach treatment prefer to control their diet or lifestyle to reduce existing risk but it requires a lot of discipline. Normally for those who are not at a critical stage.

Your friend's condition is serious. All it takes is a blood clot to hit one of the narrowed artery and he won't be your friend anymore. So it is gamble. Normally bypass is suggested if the left main artery is narrowed significantly but the not right coronary. But 99% blockage of the right coronary is deadly serious. Its a ticking time bomb.

If the blockages are of lesser extent, angioplasty is the best with or without stent placement. It is day procedure. I have friends who have done this and the next day good as gold. Had one who did 2 blockages at one go and another one a year later and just celebrated his 60 birthday.

You can help your friend to go thru the medical reports to pick out some points to ensure that you are both on the same page. Alternatively he might want to seek a second opinion from another specialist. His GP can recommend a second specialist and there is no need to go thru all the battery of tests in most cases.

Unrepented said:

Friend of mine was advised by his doctor to undergo a triple heart bypass because his right artery is 99% blocked, and the other two arteries are 60% and 80% blocked. My friend is in a dilemma. Anyone with knowledge and experience can advise?

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scroobal said:

I have been watching this thread since it surfaced and after 20 posts not a single post based on proper medical science. I have never seen the forum drop to this low before.

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But I did my part to explain "advice" vs "advise" in considerable detail. Surely that counts for something.

As far as medical advice is concerned this forum is full of loonies who believe fruit juice prevents cancer and that the earth is flat. I have no idea why they gravitated here. It could be because they've been chased out of other forums.

Nevertheless they are entitled to publish their opinions here which is what free speech is all about.

When it comes to heart attacks I'm convinced that it is nature's way of ensuring a quick death. We mess with nature at our peril. I honestly want to die of a heart attack.... a massive one that strikes me out of the blue when I least expect it.

As long as my heart continues to function I'll have to confront a whole host of other age related conditions... dementia, Alzheimer's, a stroke that leaves me paralysed, cancer, kidney failure, blindness, deafness, incontinence.... the list is long and terrifying.

Loonies are part and parcel of any forum. But the lucid and sane ones do have the court. This one surprised me as it was very serious post and not a single sensible posting. I think trolling has become the main feature of the forum. I am sure the they are going elsewhere for decent discussions and advice.

I am with you on heart attacks. Quick, no cost involved and the family and loved ones carry on with life after a short pause to cherish and remember the deceased. The caveat is to make sure one lives a full and fruitful live. I am also pushing people I know to get the AMD done.

Unfortunately if you are healthy and active, you will go the distance and that means exposure to thinks such as dementia, and other physical ailments which attacks the body which was meant to last up to a certain age only.

Leongsam said:

But I did my part to explain "advice" vs "advise" in considerable detail. Surely that counts for something.

As far as medical advice is concerned this forum is full of loonies who believe fruit juice prevents cancer and that the earth is flat. I have no idea why they gravitated here. It could be because they've been chased out of other forums.

Nevertheless they are entitled to publish their opinions here which is what free speech is all about.

When it comes to heart attacks I'm convinced that it is nature's way of ensuring a quick death. We mess with nature at our peril. I honestly want to die of a heart attack.... a massive one that strikes me out of the blue when I least expect it.

As long as my heart continues to function I'll have to confront a whole host of other age related conditions... dementia, Alzheimer's, a stroke that leaves me paralysed, cancer, kidney failure, blindness, deafness, incontinence.... the list is long and terrifying.

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johnny333 said:

I'm not a doctor so I shouldn't give any medical advice:o
So I will correct myself & give the following advice:

Your friend should do some homework to find out if there are non-surgical alternatives. He should get a 2nd opinion from a doctor who believes in alternative treatments & not just expensive surgical procedures.

Go to the Impian Emas Medical Centre in Skudai JB & speak to the doctor there & see if his condition can be treated non-surgically.
http://www.impianemasmedicalcentre.com/ecp-2/

Be sure to bring a credit card & some $$$ because the doctor will probably want to do some tests e.g. EEG, Xray, echo test, blood test, .. & if he has any Xrays or taking any medication, he should also take that along for the doctor to take a look.

Your friend probably talked to a cardiologist in Spore who would only recommend stents or surgery. From my experience the doctors in Spore will ONLY recommend expensive drugs & procedures.

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You reverse your heart disease and you are still very much alive and kicking.

This is the proof that nature is the best medicine. Medical science that lead to drug use are a total hog wash.

Your artery is clogged because you had too much processed sugar in your blood that cause the arteries to be inflamed. The body defense mechanism kicks in and cholesterol patched up the inflamed part of the artery.

The root cause of heart disease is processed sugar consumption and it is not your freaking cholesterol. cholesterol lowering drugs is very harmful to your body.

You must have a huge intake of processed sugar before you got your heart clogging problem.

Leongsam said:

But I did my part to explain "advice" vs "advise" in considerable detail. Surely that counts for something.

As far as medical advice is concerned this forum is full of loonies who believe fruit juice prevents cancer and that the earth is flat. I have no idea why they gravitated here. It could be because they've been chased out of other forums.

Nevertheless they are entitled to publish their opinions here which is what free speech is all about.

When it comes to heart attacks I'm convinced that it is nature's way of ensuring a quick death. We mess with nature at our peril. I honestly want to die of a heart attack.... a massive one that strikes me out of the blue when I least expect it.

As long as my heart continues to function I'll have to confront a whole host of other age related conditions... dementia, Alzheimer's, a stroke that leaves me paralysed, cancer, kidney failure, blindness, deafness, incontinence.... the list is long and terrifying.

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oh pls, kkbutterfly seems like a clone of yours. you purposely messed up the advise and advice bullshit.

Then you come in your real usual nick and correct the mistake. why are you wasting time doing this to yourself.

go buy a vibrating machine and shake your body for 10 minutes every 1/2 day. This will shake the clot into pieces.

Also drink gennis stout which is good for the blood. Put iron in your blood for good circulation.

Try.

Here got lots of heart doctors? Why come here for advice?

Leongsam said:

I honestly want to die of a heart attack.... a massive one that strikes me out of the blue when I least expect it.

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If you happen to have the following genetic disorder/defect (whether you are aware of it or not):
sammyboy.com/showthread.php?235128-Brugada-syndrome-the-major-cause-of-Sudden-Unexpected-Adult-Death-Syndrome
your wish might come true one fine day. :p :o

Gennis stout increase heart rate and blood flow, my friend said it will make him feel worse lah.

tanwahtiu said:

go buy a vibrating machine and shake your body for 10 minutes every 1/2 day. This will shake the clot into pieces.

Also drink gennis stout which is good for the blood. Put iron in your blood for good circulation.

Try.

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I read that even after heart bypass, you can still get heart attack after that, so no worries for you, even if you go for a heart bypass now.....

Leongsam said:

But I did my part to explain "advice" vs "advise" in considerable detail. Surely that counts for something.

As far as medical advice is concerned this forum is full of loonies who believe fruit juice prevents cancer and that the earth is flat. I have no idea why they gravitated here. It could be because they've been chased out of other forums.

Nevertheless they are entitled to publish their opinions here which is what free speech is all about.

When it comes to heart attacks I'm convinced that it is nature's way of ensuring a quick death. We mess with nature at our peril. I honestly want to die of a heart attack.... a massive one that strikes me out of the blue when I least expect it.

As long as my heart continues to function I'll have to confront a whole host of other age related conditions... dementia, Alzheimer's, a stroke that leaves me paralysed, cancer, kidney failure, blindness, deafness, incontinence.... the list is long and terrifying.

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Many are not aware that they run the risk of having heart disease. Some patients next to my friend said that they play ball, exercise, jogged, etc. yet they couldn't come to terms that they have blocked arteries.

My friend afraid of taking the big leap which is non reversable, and not sure what truely entails short and long term after the bypass surgery.....

kkbutterfly said:

brother his friend has little time to read through all this.He wants a sound advise and quick decision.
however I would advice those with likely risk of heart issue in the near future to read them up so in case one day they need the same decision , they have the knowledge in mind

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Not trolling, this is a real case that happened, friend kenna admitted this week early week, now out of hospital mulling over the elective operation decision to be made in two weeks time.........

scroobal said:

......... I think trolling has become the main feature of the forum. I am sure the they are going elsewhere for decent discussions and advice.

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not true, though Gennis stout alcoholic drink, the effect of the goodness is felt the day after. Put iron in blood increase the quality of the blood and can help clear clots.

Unrepented said:

Gennis stout increase heart rate and blood flow, my friend said it will make him feel worse lah.

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Not you Bro. I have seen your posts over the years. That's the reason why I was surprised by the relies that you were getting. See my post on what he can do. I am actually surprised that someone with 99% right coronary artery blockage was not admitted the same day for surgery. If its 100%, tissues will start dying. The time to talk about diet, supplements, juice etc long passed.

Unrepented said:

Not trolling, this is a real case that happened, friend kenna admitted this week early week, now out of hospital mulling over the elective operation decision to be made in two weeks time.........

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scroobal said:

Not you Bro. I have seen your posts over the years. That's the reason why I was surprised by the relies that you were getting. See my post on what he can do. I am actually surprised that someone with 99% right coronary artery blockage was not admitted the same day for surgery. If its 100%, tissues will start dying. The time to talk about diet, supplements, juice etc long passed.

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Where's our resident doctor? He is always honest and straight to the point.

One guy came in to the normal ward the evening one day before my friend was to be discharged. The new guy has a 100% blockage in one of his arteries, but according to his company doctor, the auxillary arteries opened and was still supplying sufficient blood to that part of his heart and no need surgery according to his company doctor. Other arteries was also blocked but not as bad. By the way, he had a CT done outside before he came.

The next day before my friend's discharge, this new guy went for angiogram late morning, didn't come back after an hour, most probably the doctors continued to give him stents, maybe he was found suitable. If after angiogram, and doctor find patient unsuitable for stent, he would have been sent back to the ward within the hour. We left at lunch time, didn't know what happened to him.........

So from that experience, I am under the impression that 100% blockage may not mean tissue damage if auxially arteries open up to do the job, but the question is the sufficiency of the blood supply through these natual bypass performed by the mother nature.

scroobal said:

Not you Bro. I have seen your posts over the years. That's the reason why I was surprised by the relies that you were getting. See my post on what he can do. I am actually surprised that someone with 99% right coronary artery blockage was not admitted the same day for surgery. If its 100%, tissues will start dying. The time to talk about diet, supplements, juice etc long passed.

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bodycells said:

You reverse your heart disease and you are still very much alive and kicking.

This is the proof that nature is the best medicine. Medical science that lead to drug use are a total hog wash.

Your artery is clogged because you had too much processed sugar in your blood that cause the arteries to be inflamed. The body defense mechanism kicks in and cholesterol patched up the inflamed part of the artery.

The root cause of heart disease is processed sugar consumption and it is not your freaking cholesterol. cholesterol lowering drugs is very harmful to your body.

You must have a huge intake of processed sugar before you got your heart clogging problem.

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In Canada I rarely drank any soda. I would buy those natural frozen concentrates of orange juice & mix them with water.
When I returned from Canada. Had trouble re-adjusting to the hot & humid climate of Spore. Had my aircon going full blast & it still felt warm. So I would often take cold showers at 3 am to cool down & yet it still felt warm. Could only walk short distances before I started to sweat. I got into the habit of going to MacD, KFC,.. or where ever to buy cold drinks.

That was a bad habit I picked up & eventually all that sugar caused my type 2 diabetes & led to my heart attack. It was poor diet that caused my heart attack & ever since I've watched what I eat & drink & have recovered without any surgery whatsoever.

EECP & Chelation are non-surgical medical procedures that will help but the bottom line is that you have to take responsibility for your own health & eliminate unhealthy lifestyles habits like smoking, drinking, watching what you eat & drink, ...

You don't need any scientific studies, it's just common sense that a healthy diet will help

Unrepented said:

One guy came in to the normal ward the evening one day before my friend was to be discharged. The new guy has a 100% blockage in one of his arteries, but according to his company doctor, the auxillary arteries opened and was still supplying sufficient blood to that part of his heart and no need surgery according to his company doctor. Other arteries was also blocked but not as bad. By the way, he had a CT done outside before he came.

The next day before my friend's discharge, this new guy went for angiogram late morning, didn't come back after an hour, most probably the doctors continued to give him stents, maybe he was found suitable. If after angiogram, and doctor find patient unsuitable for stent, he would have been sent back to the ward within the hour. We left at lunch time, didn't know what happened to him.........

So from that experience, I am under the impression that 100% blockage may not mean tissue damage if auxially arteries open up to do the job, but the question is the sufficiency of the blood supply through these natual bypass performed by the mother nature.

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One of the ways EECP helps is that it it helps to open collateral(auxillary) arteries. After 35 hours of EECP there are enough collateral arteries open to lead a normal life. If not then just do more EECP sessions,

[video=youtube;-7_8sWnz2tE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7_8sWnz2tE[/video]

If you think a by pass operation will reset the clock he should watch this explanation on why he is mistaken:

[video=youtube;EVjmkJRECRw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVjmkJRECRw[/video]

Unrepented said:

Not trolling, this is a real case that happened, friend kenna admitted this week early week, now out of hospital mulling over the elective operation decision to be made in two weeks time.........

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Why is he only given 2 weeks to make a decision?

It sounds like the doctor is using scare tactics to persuade your friend.