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Chitchat Tharman's Brexit Post making the email rounds

scroobal

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By the now some of you who are linked to the civil service, politics and industry groups would have received at least one copy of the email containing the post. Here is the post in the full. I also understand that members from SNEF are keen to speak to the powers to get an understanding not about the impact of Brexit but what the post will lead to in Singapore. He and the PM are going to be real busy.

I suspect that it went viral was because ST only quoted the parts that are benign. Though PM, Ng Eng Hen and Lawrence Wong commented from the cabinet, these were considered as mere press fodder. Lawrence Wong was typical PAP high handed approach citing the Brexit as a threat is we are not careful. More like the PAP needs to be careful.

"Divided We Leave.

That’s what the UK referendum result looks like. London and Scotland voted to stay in the EU; Wales and the English provinces outside London voted to leave. The majority of the educated class voting to stay; the less educated to leave. Those doing well in their jobs and incomes voting to stay; those who felt they’ve been losing out voted to leave. Many more of the young voted to stay; old voting to leave.
It will take some time to draw the full lessons of the vote. The big issues are not about financial markets or economics. The markets will react negatively, and overshoot, but this will not be like 2008 when the house came down. There will be a loss of growth in the UK and Europe because of the uncertainty of the next few years, and the weaknesses there will also hurt the rest of the world including us in Asia.
But the more profound questions revolve around politics. Many of the people who voted for Britain to leave Europe, like those in England’s industrial cities, may end up being hurt by its economic consequences. Yet their frustration over their jobs and wages, and their fear of uncontrolled immigration if Britain stayed in Europe, has shaped their votes.

There is a new brew in politics around the world, especially in the most mature democracies like the US, UK and in Europe. The growing appeal of nationalist politics, demagogues, and in some cases outright racism. (There was in fact all of that in the UK referendum debate.) A growing disaffection with the establishment. A weakening of trust and consensus in society, and of the centre in politics. That too has happened in the UK itself, with the two major parties now weakened.
As politics gets fragmented, the political extremes will gain appeal. We do not know where this will lead to, but it cannot mean anything good. But to tackle it, the politics of the centre must stay connected to the challenges that ordinary people face - and address their need for jobs and security, and a balance in immigration that preserves a sense of identity. Tackling this without turning inward, and weakening jobs and society further, is the central challenge everywhere."
 

scroobal

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http://www.wp.sg/the-workers-partys-perspective-on-brexit/
By: Pritam Singh / Asst Secretary-General of the Workers’ Party

Brexit was not only about the United Kingdom and the European Union. It was a sobering reminder about the shortcomings and limits of globalisation, the scale of immigration, how quickly the poison of racism and xenophobia can shape the public discourse, the perceptions and prospects of locals losing good jobs to foreigners, the extent of change people can stomach, the importance of a strong social compact, amongst so much more. It was also about aspirations, and a sense of what home was, is and should be.

Singapore is not alien to such emotions. We had a sense of what mattered to Singaporeans especially in the years from 2004-2010, when home started to feel so different because of the pace of change, an emotion that came to the fore again after the release of the Government’s Population White Paper in 2013.

In 2008, former Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew opined that the ideal population size for Singapore was 5 to 5.5m people. In 2014, a former CEO of the HDB argued for a population of 10m after 2030. The significance of these numbers go far, far beyond the obvious. Economics and trade considerations are paramount for developed countries, but as Brexit showed, many other things matter as well.

Change is constant. But it needs to be carefully managed. For a very small, multi-racial and sovereign nation, the pressures and fissures created by globalisation necessitate that change is stewarded very carefully so that a strong consensus emerges across society.

Our engagement with globalisation and our competitiveness need to be balanced with inclusivity, social harmony and rootedness in order for a strong consensus to emerge.

That would require a clear disassociation with demagogues and a permanent commitment to address globalisation’s shortcomings. Because Singapore is not just a city. It is a country. It is all we have. It is our home.
 

kiwibird7

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Modern democracies usually end up making WRONG DECISIONS when it is left to an ignorant electorate to make the choice.

Humans individually may be intelligent but COLLECTIVELY as in an electorate actually becomes STUPID because the common denominator is always the lowest common denominator.

Ancient democracies do not give the vote to everybody, only the educated elite and the male gender were given the vote.

When the vote became universal (given to every citizen) as in modern democracies where anybody including school drop-outs, un-employable rejects and HDB semi-educated aunties or even illiterate Ah Peks; how can these people be able to make informed and intelligent votes?????

The strength/power of an elector's vote should be DIRECTLY proportional to the amount of TAX he pays to the STATE! Therefore welfare beneficaries etc should have NO VOTING rights.
 

borom

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People who fear democracy are the ones with the most entrenched self interest and privileges--the royal families of old, the businesses, the landowners ect2-basically people who want a cheap and subservient labour force.

Brexit is like a rebirth of "Liberté, égalité, fraternité " but without violence/revolution as the UK is a democratic country.

The so called elites and the entrenched privilege class now feels uneasy as it may lead to all sorts of exit eg Papexit?

Wake up you 70%-its not for the PAP, WP, SDP to tell you what is good for you-its for you to decide and tell them what you want.
They work for you and not the other way round.
 
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winnipegjets

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Modern democracies usually end up making WRONG DECISIONS when it is left to an ignorant electorate to make the choice.

Humans individually may be intelligent but COLLECTIVELY as in an electorate actually becomes STUPID because the common denominator is always the lowest common denominator.

Ancient democracies do not give the vote to everybody, only the educated elite and the male gender were given the vote.

When the vote became universal (given to every citizen) as in modern democracies where anybody including school drop-outs, un-employable rejects and HDB semi-educated aunties or even illiterate Ah Peks; how can these people be able to make informed and intelligent votes?????

The strength/power of an elector's vote should be DIRECTLY proportional to the amount of TAX he pays to the STATE! Therefore welfare beneficaries etc should have NO VOTING rights.

Which system would you like - caste or slavery? :biggrin:
 

Bigfuck

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There is nothing wrong with democracy or even dictatorial control in itself. Once it goes balmy past equilibrium the other needs to kick. Here, we need to blast dictatorship for a while for democracy before we switch back again.
 

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If I were Malay, I would want partition of Singapore if they continue to flood this island with Nehs, Tiongs and Pinoys...
 
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