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Shenzhen landslide: 59 still missing in disaster that collapsed 22 buildings


Number of casualties still unknown after jets of black m&d shoot out of the earth

PUBLISHED : Sunday, 20 December, 2015, 4:38pm
UPDATED : Sunday, 20 December, 2015, 11:55pm

Jun Mai
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Rescuers work into the night at the landslide site that collapsed 22 buildings Sunday in Shenzhen. Photo: Xinhua

Dozens of people were missing in Shenzhen on Sunday after a massive landslide buried more than 20 buildings in an industrial park on the outskirts of the Guangdong city shortly before noon.

The landslide covered more than 100,000 square metres of the Hengtaiyu Industrial Park in Guangming New District. A nearby section of the arterial West-East Gas Pipeline exploded, state-run China Central Television reported.

Local government officials said three people were injured and 59 were reported missing by 11pm Sunday. Police received the first report of the landslide at 11.40am.

Footage of the scene showed m&d shooting up like a fountain from beneath a hill.

Residents suggested that illegal dumping of construction waste, which they said had been rife over the last few years, could have been a factor.

The owner of a beverage company in the zone said m&d had been dumped repeatedly next to the industrial park over the past two years.

“Residents have complained about the problem for a long time, but it has not been resolved,” the company owner told the South China Morning Post.

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The Shenzhen Special Zone Daily quoted an employee at the zone’s safety inspection department as saying the landslide was caused by a m&d spill at the illegal dump.

Wang Zhenxin, former chief engineer with the Shanghai Metro Construction Corporation, said the disaster was the result of instability in the m&d pile.

“The landslide is not from a natural mountain but a huge pile of m&d,” Wang told the Post. “When one side of the pile is overloaded and the pressure builds up, it pushes the m&d on the other side and it spills over.”

Wang said such spillover is more likely in south China, where the soil was wetter and less cohesive. Rainfall is not needed to trigger such a spill, he said.

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Rescue efforts include firefighters, police and health workers. Photo: Xinhua

The Beijing Youth Daily, quoted a resident as saying loose soil and waste from construction sites had been dumped next to the industrial park over the past two years and piled up against a 100-metre-high hill.

Another resident working in a nearby laundry said she had a narrow escape from the landslide.

“I was going out for lunch with some co-workers, and all of a sudden I heard a loud noise and then I saw the m&d rushing towards us. I had to run. Some of my co-workers are missing,” the Beijing Youth Daily quoted her as saying.

The Shenzhen Special Zone Daily quoted one witness as saying that three members of his employer’s family were buried by the landslide. Another witness said four of his friends were trapped.

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A damaged vehicle is seen among the debris at the site of a landslide at an industrial park in Shenzhen, Guangdong province, China, December 20, 2015. Photo: Reuters

Shenzhen deputy secretary general Li Yikang said about 900 people fled the buildings before they came down. About 1,500 people were scouring the debris.

Both President Xi Jinping and Premier Li Keqiang called for all-out rescue efforts.

Shenzhen mayor Xu Qin returned from meetings in Beijing to oversee the efforts.

An environmental assessment report submitted in January said the m&d deposit was on top of a quarry that had caused serious soil erosion, posing a danger to surrounding hillsides, Sohu reported.



 

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85 still missing as rescuers search for survivors after massive Shenzhen landslide


More than 30 buildings damaged or destroyed in landslip on Sunday morning. People in the area blame dumping of construction waste at a huge tip

PUBLISHED : Sunday, 20 December, 2015, 4:38pm
UPDATED : Tuesday, 22 December, 2015, 12:01am

Zhuang Pinghui and He Huifeng

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Rescuers work into the night at the site of the landslide. Photo: Xinhua

Rescue workers were searching for survivors on Monday after a massive landslide struck an industrial estate in Shenzhen in southern China.

In all, 85 people are still unaccounted for, according to official figures released on Monday.

More than 30 buildings were destroyed or damaged after the huge landslip on Sunday morning.

The landslide covered more than 100,000 square metres at the Hengtaiyu Industrial Park in the Guangming New District.

A nearby section of the arterial West-East Gas Pipeline also exploded, state-run China Central Television reported.

The Ministry of Land and Natural Resources said the landslide happened after a dump of earth and construction rubbish, as high as a 20 storey-building, collapsed. The dump was too large and the slopes to steep, making it unstable, the ministry said.

Firefighters from Shenzhen and elsewhere in Guangdong province have been sifting through rubble covering an area about the size of 14 football pitches.

If they find signs of life they place a red flag in the earth.

Bulldozers then dig down under the guidance of firefighters in the hope of finding survivors, the state-run news agency Xinhua reported.

Seven people have been rescued at the site so far and are not said to have life-threatening injuries.

The landslide happened at about 11.40am on Sunday.

A total of 33 buildings, including 14 factory plants, two office buildings, a canteen, three dormitory buildings and 13 small buildings were hit by the landslide, according to Xinhua.

Fifty-nine men and 32 women were still missing as of 9am on Monday.

Security was tight in the area on Monday with police officers and armed police stationed every five to 10 metres.

Workers and residents were barred from entering the park and their request to get back to retrieve clothes because of the cold were denied.

The waste dump, which had offical permits to operate, had been causing concern among nearby residents for two years.

“Residents have complained about the problem for a long time, but it has not been resolved,” the owner of a drinks company told the South China Morning Post.

Workers said increasing numbers of trucks had delivered construction rubbish and the dump had looked dangerous, especially during the rainy season, but their complaints had fallen on deaf ears.

Wang Zhenxin, a former chief engineer at the Shanghai Metro Construction Corporation, said the disaster was man-made.

“The landslide is not from a natural mountain, but a huge pile of m&d,” Wang told the Post.

“When one side of the pile is overloaded and the pressure builds up, it pushes the m&d on the other side and it spills over.”

Wang said such a spillover was more likely in south China, where the soil was wetter and less cohesive. Rainfall is not needed to trigger such a spill, he said.

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Rescue efforts include firefighters, police and health workers. Photo: Xinhua

Some people lingered near the industrial park overnight because they had heard no word from missing loved ones.

Peng Canyuan, a business owner, said he saw the landslide come like a huge wave and several people working at a tyre company were buried.

He escaped, but two of his family are missing.

He Weiming, a 36-year-old immigrant worker from Henan province in northern China said his parents, wife, two children, sister, three nieces and nephews, plus five workers he knew were missing.

“I dialled 40 mobile numbers and none could be connected,” he was quoted by Xinhua as saying.

Another resident working in a nearby laundry said she had a narrow escape from the landslide.

“I was going out for lunch with some co-workers and all of a sudden I heard a loud noise and then I saw the m&d rushing towards us. I had to run. Some of my co-workers are missing,” she said.

The Shenzhen Special Zone Daily quoted one witness as saying that three members of his employer’s family were buried by the landslide. Another witness said four of his friends were trapped.

Shenzhen deputy secretary general Li Yikang said on Sunday about 900 people fled the buildings before they collapsed. About 1,500 people were scouring the debris.

President Xi Jinping and Premier Li Keqiang have called for all-out rescue efforts.

Shenzhen mayor Xu Qin returned from meetings in Beijing to oversee the operation.

The central hospital in Guangming New District said it has treated nine patients aged from eight to 78.

Most suffered bone fractures escaping from the landslide.

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Satellite images taken in 2002 and earlier this year showing the huge expansion of the waste dump. Photos: Ifeng.com

An eight-year-old boy was carried by his father and jumped from the seventh floor to the earth beneath when their building was struck. The father broke his leg and boy was only scratched.

The People’s Hospital in Guangming New District has treated five patients.

Among them was a young woman who has suffered a mental breakdown after her child was buried in landslide. She is receiving treament from psychiatrists, according to the Southern Metropolis News.

The Health Ministry has sent three experts in neurosurgery, intensive care and orthopedics from Beijing’s top hospitals to help with treatment in Shenzhen.

The provincial medical authorities of Guangdong have also dispatched a reinforcement group of seven senior doctors to the city, Xinhua said.

An environmental assessment report submitted in January said the tip was on top of a quarry that had caused serious soil erosion, posing a danger to surrounding hillsides, the news website Sohu reported.

Additional reporting by Jun Mai and Liu Zhen



 

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Shenzhen landslide waste dump had been ordered to close over safety fears, documents reveal as search continues for 85 missing

The authorities told to stop operating and improve safety in July, but residents say it was not forced to shut down and huge dump grew larger

PUBLISHED : Monday, 21 December, 2015, 3:28pm
UPDATED : Monday, 21 December, 2015, 10:46pm

Zhuang Pinghui
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The devastation caused by the huge landslide. Photo: Xinhua

The waste dump that created a massive landslide in Shenzhen, with dozens missing after the disaster, was ordered to close five months ago and take action to improve safety, but had continued to operate.

Documents published by the authorities in the Guangming New District on its website show that officials had carried out several monthly inspections at the huge tip.

The revelation comes as rescuers continue to search for 85 people missing in the wake of the disaster.

The Hongao Construction Waste Dump was given approval in February last year to operate for 12 months, according to the documents.

Inspectors found in July that it was still in operation and was not following agreed plans for safety and maintenance at the site.

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A building partially buried under construction rubble after the landslide. Photo: AP

It was ordered to carry out improvements and reapply for a licence by September, but failed to do so, according to the documents.

“Illegal dumping of earth is strictly forbidden,” one of the statements said.

The huge landslide destroyed or damaged more than 30 buildings at the site on Sunday morning.

The landslide covered more than 100,000 square metres at the Hengtaiyu Industrial Park in the Guangming New District.

A nearby section of the arterial West-East Gas Pipeline also exploded, state-run China Central Television reported.

The Ministry of Land and Natural Resources said the landslide happened after a dump of earth and construction rubbish, as high as a 20 storey-building, collapsed. The dump was too large and the slopes to steep, making it unstable, the ministry said.

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In this photo taken from a drone mounted camera, rescue workers search for survivors in the aftermath of a landslide in Shenzhen in southern China's Guangdong province. Photo: AP

The land ministry said the dump was as high as a 20-storey building and earth had poured on to nearby buildings. The dump covered an area of 380,00 square metres, according to the authorities in Shenzhen.

People living in the area said they had regularly complained about the dump to the authorities as it looked increasingly unstable.

The number of trucks carrying waste to the site had increased in recent months and their warnings were not heeded, they said.

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Rescuers work at the landslide site of an industrial park in Shenzhen. Photo: Xinhua

The authorities failed to stop the dump operating in October, according to residents, despite saying they were carrying out a crackdown.

An environmental review report in January this year said the dump had received one million square metres of debris and warned of a catastrophe, the Legal Evening News reported.

It said the dump was originally a deserted quarry and construction work would accelerate water and earth loss, increasing the risk of landslide, according to the report.


 

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Our wedding is in 10 days. Why is this happening?: Anguish of woman whose fiancé is missing after huge Shenzhen landslide

PUBLISHED : Monday, 21 December, 2015, 4:53pm
UPDATED : Monday, 21 December, 2015, 11:30pm

He Huifeng and Liu Zhen

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Missing fiancé Peng Chuxin, centre, his mother, left, who is also missing and an unnamed younger woman. Photo: Ifeng.com

Heartbroken relatives of people missing in the Shenzhen landslide gathered near the scene of the disaster and at a temporary shelter on Monday, anxiously waiting for news about their loved ones, but their hope gradually fading.

A woman whose fiancé is among the missing broke down as she stood on the boundary of the mountain of earth and was led away by her family as rescuers continued their search in the distance.

The woman, who did not give her name, said she was due to marry Peng Chuxin, 28, on December 31. “Our wedding is in 10 days. Why is this happening?” she said. She had tried without success to get into the industrial park in Guangming New District, where the landslide buried dozens of buildings and left 85 people missing on Sunday morning.

Her relatives told the South China Morning Post that Peng was at his father’s cement factory with his mother at the time. They had gone with his father to pick up items for the wedding, which was due to be held in their hometown in Jieyang, also in Guangdong.

His father survived by holding onto a truck that was then washed down a slope and swept along for more than 50 metres. He was sent to hospital for treatment. Peng Chuxin was only a step behind, but was trying to help his mother. Neither made it to safety.

“They shouldn’t have come back [to the factory],” Peng’s younger brother said. “They hadn’t gone back here for ages. They only went back on Sunday morning and right away the disaster happened.”

The brother had a satellite map on his mobile phone, marking out the location of the collapsed factory. He repeatedly showed it to rescuers from Sunday afternoon, begging them to dig at the site where he said about a dozen workers might also be buried.“There’s still hope. There must be,” he said.

He was wearing the same clothes as yesterday and his muddy shoes were torn and soaked.

One rescuer said the equipment they used to detect signs of life had shown no signal in that area. Relatives of the missing have not been allowed into the landslide zone. Many gathered at a nearby building, where people wearing vests emblazoned with “volunteer” handed them bottled water. The volunteers also stopped journalists from talking to the relatives.

Still waiting on the fringes of the site, migrant worker Xiang Taimu said he had lost his father, two daughters, aged eight and 10, and a son.

His wife was with their niece at a temporary shelter set up at the Guangming New District Stadium. “Yesterday was the little boy’s fifth birthday,” Xiang’s niece said. The mother sat motionless in silence.She was planning to buy a cake for her son when she heard the sound of the landslide near the factory where she worked.

She ran outside and saw a torrent of m&d, dozens of metres deep, piling up on top of their rented house. “She cried, ‘My three children! Buried!’” the niece recalled the mother saying during a frantic phone call.

Unlike many migrant workers who leave their children in their hometown, the couple from Chongqing took the three girls and son to Shenzhen. They had hoped the cosmopolitan city would be a better place to bring up their children.

Xiang’s father had come to help their eldest daughter, 16, run the household. It was a simple life but they were in their dream city. “It’s all over, from heaven to hell,” the niece said.

Stories of heartbreak were everywhere, as well as complaints that the official figure of 85 missing was too low given what they had witnessed.

Many households were buried without a single survivor, and such cases were generally overlooked in the official statistics, residents said.

He Weiming, a 36-year-old migrant worker from Henan province said his parents, wife, two children, sister, three nieces and nephews, plus five workers he knew were missing.

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The aftermath of the landslide as rescue workers search for survivors. Photo: Xinhua

“I dialled 40 mobile numbers and none could be connected,” he was quoted by Xinhua as saying.

Meanwhile, the young bride-to-be continued to weep and her older brother, having run out of words to soothe her, asked for help: “Can anybody say something to her?” he said.

A friend of Peng, who was to be the best man at the wedding, said he did not know what to say to the heartbroken bride.

“He was my best friend. I’m so deeply in shock and sorrow, I can’t speak a word,” he said.



 

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Firm that won bid for Shenzhen dump transferred contract, Chinese media says

Luwei Property Management agreed to hand over construction and operation of the site where the landslide occurred to a second company, one year before the winner was even decided

PUBLISHED : Monday, 21 December, 2015, 11:20pm
UPDATED : Monday, 21 December, 2015, 11:24pm

Zhuang Pinghui
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Collapsed buildings at Hengtaiyu industrial park in Shenzhen. The project was contracted out in 2013 and awarded last year. Photo: Edward Wong

The company that won the bid to build and operate a construction waste dump that triggered the massive landslide at a Shenzhen industrial park appeared to be unqualified for the job, mainland media reported yesterday.

Luwei Property Management Company contracted the project out to another firm, which paid 750,000 yuan (US$115,670 or HK$896,750) in 2013 – a year before the winner of the bid was decided, according to the reports.

Luwei’s business spans indoor and outdoor cleaning, indoor environment treatment, property management, car parks and labour supply. But it doesn’t list handling such dumps in its business registration.

It won the right in February last year to run the Hongao Residue m&d and Earth Temporary Dump in Guangming New District.

Such dumps are used to store construction waste like unneeded earth and other materials that are by-products of building, renovating or dismantling roads, as well as other large projects.

The company, founded in August 2001, was mostly owned by an individual named Zhang Juru, who held 92 per cent of the shares while a second person, Zhang Jinhua, held the rest.

Public records show the company has won numerous government contracts over the years, including management of property and security at several primary schools in the Baoan district.

Before the bidding for the dump began, Luwei agreed to transfer the operation rights to Shenzhen Yixianglong Investment Development Company.

The agreement stipulated that Yixianglong would be responsible for the project’s financial gains or losses and any major work safety accidents.

“Yixianglong even made the bidding document themselves [for the dump project],” an unidentified source from Luwei told the National Business Daily.

Yixianglong, founded in 2003 with 10 million yuan of registered capital, is co-owned by two individuals – Long Huamei and Long Rongmei. It handles road cleaning, waste transportation, construction waste dump management and pure earth dump management. A Beijing lawyer told the newspaper the transfer was allowed under mainland law.

The dump was built a few hundred metres from the boundaries of the industrial park and a village. It could accommodate 8 million square metres of construction waste during its operational lifespan of 10 years. The waste was expected to be generated mostly by construction projects in the Guangming district.

A professor at Shanghai’s Tongji University who specialises in solid waste management but declined to be named, said the highly piled dump in Shenzhen was not an isolated case.

“The proper way of handling construction waste is to recycle or bury it. Levelling or piling should only be used when there was no other option. Stabilising the waste and making it safe is the most important rule,” the professor said.

However, operators tended to pile it steeply to make the greatest use of a limited area. This allows them to accept more material, which boosts revenue, but safety issues often take a back seat. The professor said there were no national standards for burying construction waste so safety awareness was essential. The waste can be piled up very high if the sides are not angled too steeply, he said.

Independent documentarian Wang Jiuliang, who has been filming dump sites for years and produced an award-winning movie in 2011, said construction waste was not given the attention it deserved because it did carry a smell like rubbish sites. He said the waste was usually transported outside of cities, but not too far in order to save costs, and many urban centres were surrounded by the dumps.


 

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Shenzhen landslide: blame game begins as anger mounts in Chinese disaster zone

Dump site that triggered the deluge continued to operate despite a litany of complaints from residents and official orders to shut down five months ago

PUBLISHED : Tuesday, 22 December, 2015, 12:27am
UPDATED : Tuesday, 22 December, 2015, 12:38am

He Huifeng, Zhuang Pinghui and Mimi Lau

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Rescuers use machinery to search for potential survivors at the site of a landslide in Shenzhen. Photo: AP

Rescuers raced to make every minute count on Monday as they trawled through a wasteland of m&d and rubble from a landslide on the outskirts of Shenzhen.

Officials said 85 people were missing from Sunday’s disaster, revised down from 91 earlier. Seven people were rescued.

But residents questioned the tally and accused the authorities of negligence. “The toll is definitely much higher,” one relative of a missing person said at a temporary shelter.

A woman whose parents and brother were buried at home, said more than 10 people, including seven children, lived next door and none managed to escape.

“Nobody reported these missing cases on their behalf,” the woman said. “Nothing would be known of them until their dead bodies were dug out.”

Other witnesses said entire families of neighbours were buried, leaving no one to report them missing.

The catastrophe struck the Hengtaiyu Industrial Park in Guangming New District, Guangdong, on Sunday morning.

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Rescuers work at the site of a landslide at an industrial park in Shenzhen. Photo: Xinhua

At least 33 buildings were battered or buried by the huge landslip that blanketed more than 380,000 square metres, according to the Shenzhen government.

Videos posted online by witnesses show a tide of m&d unleashed across the park, leaving crushed factories and buildings in its wake.

The Ministry of Land and Resources said the landslide erupted after a 20-storey-high mountain of dumped earth and construction waste collapsed.

Liu Guonan, a geotechnical expert with the China Academy of Railway Sciences, said the disaster was the first of its kind to hit an urban area in China. “It’s the first time I have encountered a landslide of this nature on this scale in my 30-plus years in the field.”

President Xi Jinping and Premier Li Keqiang have called for all-out rescue efforts.

Shenzhen Communist Party boss Ma Xingrui and Shenzhen mayor Xu Qin returned from meetings in Beijing to oversee the rescue operation. The landslide occurred as party leaders met in the capital for a key conference on improving urban planning and management.

Last night, rescurers were carefully clearing away soil at several spots where signs of life had been detected. Firefighters were also guiding drivers in bulldozers trying to clear the debris.

Criticism also began to mount yesterday amid revelations that the licensed waste dump had been operating close to residential areas for two years despite a litany of complaints.

The dump was ordered to close five months ago, but continued to operate, according to documents published online by local authorities.

The Cross-border Environment Concern Association, a Hong Kong-Guangdong non-governmental green group, said the site operated illegally from 2013 until it was granted an environmental permit in February.

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An exhausted rescuer takes a rest among the m&d and rubble of the Shenzhen landslide. Photo: EPA

“Satellite photos from 1990 to 2015 show a very clear trend of mountain erosion,” an association spokesman said. “Two major periods of damage occurred in 2002 when the site was built into a quarry and another one in 2014 when a natural vegetation barrier between the dump and the industrial Park was removed.”

Meanwhile, residents and migrant workers said there were concerns about the growing number of trucks delivering construction waste to the site, particularly in the rainy season, but the complaints fell on deaf ears.

CLP Power said it was notified on Sunday that the landslide had led to the temporary suspension of natural gas to Hong Kong because a section of a pipeline was damaged. The company made contingency arrangements to ensure electricity supply.



 

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Shenzhen landslide disaster shows urbanisation must go hand in hand with good governance


Latest man-made tragedy highlights the risks associated with the rapid growth of cities in mainland China

PUBLISHED : Tuesday, 22 December, 2015, 12:57am
UPDATED : Tuesday, 22 December, 2015, 1:17am

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Buildings razed in the affected area. Photo: Edward Wong

The full horror of the Shenzhen landslide disaster that destroyed or damaged more than 30 buildings in an industrial estate is still to emerge. Hope is ebbing fast for survivors among scores of people still unaccounted for after a man-made mountain collapsed. Our first thoughts must be with families who have lost loved ones, and with those who pray they may be found alive.

But it is not too soon to ask why a catastrophe plainly waiting to happen could not have been averted, and to reflect on the human cost of failure to turn around the mainland’s appalling industrial safety record. Already circumstances have come to light that need explaining. The dump, at an old quarry site, was ordered to close months ago and to take action to improve safety, but it continued to operate. The Ministry of Land and Natural Resources said the dump of earth and construction rubbish, as high as a 20-storey building, was too large and the slopes too steep, making it unstable. Nearby residents and workers told of a lack of a sense of urgency, if not official indifference, about concerns expressed over the past two years. Workers said increasing numbers of trucks had delivered construction rubbish and the dump had looked dangerous, especially during the rainy season, but their complaints had fallen on deaf ears.

Prompt calls by President Xi Jinping (習近平) and Premier Li Keqiang (李克強) for all-out rescue efforts are commendable. But, hopefully, they and other state leaders will reflect on the failure of local officials to enforce their own safety warnings. This is just one aspect of the cause of the landslide and who ought to bear responsibility should be the subject of open and transparent findings. It does not bode well, however, four months after twin explosions ripped through the Tianjin port area and killed more than 170 people, that while the authorities have investigated 11 officials for their role in that tragedy, the exact cause and who should be held responsible either have not been determined nor disclosed.

The disaster will be seen as an embarrassment to Shenzhen party chief Ma Xingrui, a top scientist whose appointment earlier this year marked him out as a rising political star. Ironically, it also came in the same week that a special urban works convention is being held in Beijing, parallel with the annual economic work conference, to seek a better approach to developing cities.

If there is a lesson for cadres in the Shenzhen disaster, it is that urbanisation needs the software of proper governance as well as the hardware of infrastructure.



 

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Shenzhen landslide: 85 people still missing


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Raw footage: The moment the landslide hit Shenzhen




 

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Instead of spending time to expose and prevent such dangers to the public. They go and arrest and beat up human rights lawyers! Huat the Fish?

Chinese Rights Lawyer Given Suspended Sentence Over Online Posts
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Pu Zhiqiang, an outspoken human-rights lawyer who has defended some of Chinas top dissidents, received a three-year suspended sentence over seven online posts deemed critical of the ruling Communist Party.
 

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We need to kill off at least 500 million chinks. A couple of hundred dead is not going to make the slightest difference.

Doesn't help if you are just operating some website!

You have to be proactive! Dun just talk cock!
 

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Doesn't help if you are just operating some website!

You have to be proactive! Dun just talk cock!

I do a lot more than just operate a website I'm also involved in CHC and have regular prayer sessions whereby we plead to the Almighty that China is wiped from the face of this earth.
 
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