Verdict on $50 million City Harvest Church case expected tomorrow

eErotica69 said:

KNN, whoever steals from God will burn in hell.

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God is very forgiving! If not Jesus would have died in vain!

He can always repent and bring more people to Christ in jail!

But then again why should the state be involved in voluntary contributions from church goers?

Shouldnt the church and the state be separated and not interfere with one another affairs?

If Pastor Kong did not use the church monies wisely it should be between him and God!

The state so free? I thought they are busy with MRT Haze and Hepatitis problems in SGH?

laksaboy said:

I think her eggs (if she still has any) are no longer fresh. Don't forget to bring lots of lubricants. Women of that age need lots of moisture.

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But since most Oppo supporters got small penises, a lubricant is a moot point.

Let's see God is on whose side 2molo.

Leongsam said:

While Kong Hee is in jail, I will make a new baby with Sun Ho.

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Sorry to disappoint you. Sun has just been through a menopause.

Scrooball (clone) said:

But since most Oppo supporters got small penises, a lubricant is a moot point.

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and I thot your mum was wide ... now I have to blame my own penis

harimau said:

God is very forgiving! If not Jesus would have died in vain!

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But then again why should the state be involved in voluntary contributions from church goers?

Shouldnt the church and the state be separated and not interfere with one another affairs?

If Pastor Kong did not use the church monies wisely it should be between him and God!

The state so free? I thought they are busy with MRT Haze and Hepatitis problems in SGH?

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You are looking at it from a gentile's point of view. If you are a Christian, there is no such thing as Church and God; or Church and State!

For the Christians, nothing happens by coincidence. It is all God's Will!

In this instance, the Christian logic is that God is using the gentiles (i.e State) to punish the thief (Kong Hee) who stole from God. All these are HIS doing and everything is HIS Will.

So your logic of State vs Church, is the logic of a gentile.

Too bad. You must try to understand their logic!!

kanina, Gentile is what type pf toilet? A toilet with tiles are?

Scrooball (clone) said:

But since most Oppo supporters got small penises, a lubricant is a moot point.

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So say the king of cum LAN jiao aka scrooball pap dog.

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/st-now-news-as-it-happens-oct-21-2015

10:42
Happening now: City Harvest trial
The prosecution will file written submissions by Nov 6 and respective mitigation pleas by Nov 13. Oral submissions will be delivered on Nov 20 at 9.30am.
The prosecution has asked for bail to be doubled. Judge See is extending bail to all six accused: Bail stands at $1 million each for Kong Hee, Tan Ye Peng, John Lam and Chew Eng Han; $750,000 each for Serina Wee and Sharon Tan. They are not permitted to travel.

10:39
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The parties are out of the chambers. The lawyers are now in discussion with their clients.

10:25
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There is silence in the docks. Kong Hee, Tan Ye Peng, Serina Wee and John Lam all have their heads hung low. Sharon Tan is wiping away tears. The five of them are not talking to one another, unlike at the start when they were seen laughing and smiling to one another.

10:20
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The mood outside the courtroom is grim. Inside, there's quiet chatter among those in the gallery. Most people are on their phones.

10:15
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There are many grim faces outside the courtroom as people are seen constantly checking their phones.
Serina Wee looks slightly teary-eyed, while Sharon Tan can also be heard sniffing. Kong Hee's head is bowed low - he appears to be praying.

10:12
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Judge See has stood down for 5-10 minutes to speak to parties in the chambers. Serina Wee's husband, Kenny Low, goes up to the dock to give her a quick hug.

10:07
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The six accused are found guilty of ALL charges against them, says Judge See.
For a recap of the charges each are facing, read: http://str.sg/ZLf8


10:04
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Judge See says that much of the defence centred on the beliefs and they went ahead to act in good faith as a result. The weight of the evidence (shows) that they knew they were dishonest.


10:00
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"They (Chew Eng Han, Tan Ye Peng, Serina Wee, Sharon Tan) all have intent to defraud," says Judge See.


09:57
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" (The accused persons) just created labels attached on to stretch the meaning of the money", says Judge See, adding that he is not convinced of the supposed mixed purpose of the bonds.


09:54
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"There is no doubt they (Kong Hee, Tan Ye Peng, Serina Wee, Chew Eng Han) knew that they have something to hide. (The) prospect of financial return wasn't their genuine concern. Accused persons all knew that the primary purpose of the bonds (was) to channel money to the Crossover (Project)," says Judge See.



09:51
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Judge See says the use of Xtron funds were entirely controlled by Kong Hee and his team. John Lam had a part to play as board member. All of them knew the building fund was a restricted fund. "It was not a realistic expectation to expect US album to sell more than 200,000," Judge See says, adding that it was "mere excuse for CHC to channel money to Xtron".

09:49
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On the wrong use of building funds, Judge See says he finds that the bonds were "not genuine investments". He says the "perceived success of Crossover was inflated".

09:47
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Judge See says the main background facts are undisputed. He will focus on the extent of the person's knowledge and their conduct. He is satisfied that church funds were entrusted to Kong Hee, Tan Ye Peng and John Lam as members of the CHC management board.

09:43
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The trial has started: Judge See Kee Oon will give oral submissions and full grounds of the written judgment.

09:37
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Kong Hee's wife Sun Ho is seated in the gallery and looking nervous. She gives a slight smile to Sharon Tan.

09:33
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The six defendants - Kong Hee, Tan Ye Peng, Chew Eng Han, Serina Wee, Sharon Tan and John Lam - are now seated in the dock. They look relaxed and are chatting and smiling to each other. Tan Ye Peng flashes a thumbs up to his lawyers. More than 60 people have filled the courtroom. There's a sense of nervous tension in the gallery.


09:19
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Church founder and senior pastor Kong Hee arriving at the State Courts with his wife Ho Yeow Sun.

09:15
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One of the six accused, former CHC finance manager Serina Wee, 38, arriving at the State Courts.

where they going to get the bail out money from? actually, i think they run CHC as a family business and there is no wrong doing. the judge better think twice giving stiff sentence, wait karma strike.

Jah_rastafar_I said:

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/st-now-news-as-it-happens-oct-21-2015

10:42
Happening now: City Harvest trial
The prosecution will file written submissions by Nov 6 and respective mitigation pleas by Nov 13. Oral submissions will be delivered on Nov 20 at 9.30am.
The prosecution has asked for bail to be doubled. Judge See is extending bail to all six accused: Bail stands at $1 million each for Kong Hee, Tan Ye Peng, John Lam and Chew Eng Han; $750,000 each for Serina Wee and Sharon Tan. They are not permitted to travel.

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dancingshoes said:

where they going to get the bail out money from? actually, i think they run CHC as a family business and there is no wrong doing. the judge better think twice giving stiff sentence, wait karma strike.

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What talking you? CHC is a registered charity, not a family business. They have to abide by the rules laid down by the Registry of Charities.

Are all Christians as stupid as you?

10.49am: Chew Eng Han, who conducted his own defence separately, has said that he plans to appeal after sentencing. He was seen hugging his crying daughter after the verdict.

10.48am: The accused have left the courtroom, but are gathered inside the State Courts building with their supporters

10.41am: Court is adjourned.

10.40am: All lawyers have confirmed that their clients have bailors.

10.39am: The judge is extending bail for all accused, which stands at S$1 million for each, with the exception of Serina Wee and Sharon Tan. Bail stands at S$750,000 each for Wee and Tan.

All are not permitted to travel.

10.38am: The prosecution will have to file their submissions by Nov 6, and the defence by Nov 13, while oral submissions will have to be filed by Nov 20. The prosecution has asked for bail to be doubled.

10.37am: Judge See has returned.

10.33am: The lawyers have returned from the judge's chambers.

10.13am: All the lawyers, including Chew Eng Han who is representing himself, are now in the chambers with the judge to discuss bail details and the date of sentencing.

The prosecution and defence are also set to come before the judge again at a later date, to put forward their recommendations on the appropriate punishment for the accused.

Criminal breach of trust can attract a life sentence or a jail term of up to 20 years, and a fine. The falsification of accounts carries a jail term of up to 10 years and a fine.

10.10am: Lawyers are now waiting to meet with the judge. A few CHC supporters are seen with their head bowed and praying, and none appear to be leaving.

10.08am: Sentencing will be on a later date, and the Judge said that he does not oppose that bail be extended.

10.07am: "No matter how pure the motive ... these do not exonerate accused persons," said Judge See.

10.05am: "I am satisfied that six accused persons are guilty of all the charges against them," said Judge See in his verdict.

10.01am: The accused engaged in conspiracies to ... defraud and falsify accounts," said Judge See. "If it can be shown that they were doing was legitimate I think there may well be room for doubt, but the weight of evidence shows they were acting dishonestly."

10am: "Documentary evidence goes a long way in demonstrating their guilty knowledge," said the judge.

9.58am: Judge See said that he is "satisfied that ... there is falsification of CHC accounts".

9.56am: The "round-tripping of funds" was used to "create an appearance of genuine transactions", said the judge. "Accused persons controlled these transactions every step of the way."

9.51am: All accused knew the purpose of Firna bonds was to channel money from the building fund to the Crossover project, said Judge See.

9.49am: All of the accused gave auditors the impression that City Harvest and Xtron were independent of each other, said the judge.

9.46am: Kong, Tan Ye Peng and Wee had a substantial role in channeling the funds, said the judge, adding that John Lam had a "less substantial" role but had his own part to play.

9.45am: Xtron bonds were clearly under CHC control, and funds were channeled there for use towards the Crossover project, said the judge.

9.42am: Xtron and Firna bonds were not genuine investments, but were designed to create the appearance that Firna bonds were genuine, said the judge. "I find that ... they were wrong uses of CHC funds."

9.40am: "The main background facts are largely undisputed," said the judge, adding that he will set out his findings for criminal breach of trust first, before focusing on the extent of accused persons' knowledge.

9.38am: Court officials have taken their places, and Judge See Kee Oon has entered.

9.33am: About 50 members of the public, including church supporters, are present in the court room.

9.29am: All the accused have taken their seats in the dock.

9.21am: Former finance manager of CHC Serina Wee has arrived in court.

Hey, look at it this way..

They sacrifice themselves to preach in the prison.. they are actually blessed.

tonychat said:

Hey, look at it this way..

They sacrifice themselves to preach in the prison.. they are actually blessed.

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Then why don't u die and go to hell to preach about staying away from Sinkies?

yellowarse said:

What talking you? CHC is a registered charity, not a family business. They have to abide by the rules laid down by the Registry of Charities.

Are all Christians as stupid as you?

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i am no Xtian but i think kong hee regard the members as family. lightly cleverer than you but not as stupid as you.

Thank you Jah for that post. So it seems going to jail for all 6 is inevitable. Since they are on bail I wonder what Kong Hee will preach to his flock this weekend.

Froggy said:

Thank you Jah for that post. So it seems going to jail for all 6 is inevitable. Since they are on bail I wonder what Kong Hee will preach to his flock this weekend.

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He will preach to his flock to pray for the judge & for his soul....

Sharon Tan better pray harder

Scrooball (clone) said:

Sharon Tan better pray harder

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Did she come before God & ask for forgiveness? is that what she prayed for? "we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God"...did she pray for forgiveness or holding on to the notion, that she had not sinned?, but the judge did!??