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WP's First World Parliament or WP's Deaf-Mute Parliament

PTADER

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Despite the $16,041/month each and every of the WP MP earns or the one million dollars each and every of them would earn after a five year term, the WP MPs have clearly shown they are incredibly useless and hopeless.

If they are unable to stand up for their very own AIM issue and instead, conveniently rely on their Vellama Marie Muthu doctrine in getting non-elected politicians, netizens, bloggers, their very own supporters and the ordinary men in the street do that hard work and take the risks of raising issues, you can forget about them being your "voices".

It is not a WP's First World Parliament. It is a WP's deaf-mute Parliament.
 

steffychun

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Despite the $16,041/month each and every of the WP MP earns or the one million dollars each and every of them would earn after a five year term, the WP MPs have clearly shown they are incredibly useless and hopeless.

If they are unable to stand up for their very own AIM issue and instead, conveniently rely on their Vellama Marie Muthu doctrine in getting non-elected politicians, netizens, bloggers, their very own supporters and the ordinary men in the street do that hard work and take the risks of raising issues, you can forget about them being your "voices".

It is not a WP's First World Parliament. It is a WP's deaf-mute Parliament.

Oh, and what have your never to be MP Chee done? Unity candidate?
 

wMulew

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U are absolutely right, the Wayang party greatest strength is to Wayang in Parliament
 

kopikia

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PTADER, are you nmp calvin cheng who wrote this?

Do we need another Workers’ Party MP?
By Calvin Cheng | SingaporeScene

In the run-up to the by-election of Punggol East, it is clear, that final fight comes down to the two largest parties in Parliament: The People’s Action Party (PAP) and The Worker’s Party (WP).

The Worker’s Party chairman Sylvia Lim stated very early that this by-election was going to be a report-card on the PAP. Some political observers have commented that this is even more so than in Hougang, a Worker’s Party stronghold. And although the WP’s party candidate Lee Li Lian has recently admitted that the by-election would also be a barometer of the WP’s record, it seems that more questions are still being asked about the PAP rather than the WP.

This is natural. Being the incumbent, the PAP has much to prove after a water-shed election that saw an entire GRC falling for the first time to the opposition. It is also natural and obvious that this election, like all elections, would be a barometer of a ruling party’s record.

However, as even the leader of the WP Low Thia Kiang has admitted, time needs to be given to PAP to see whether it can solve the problems of Singaporeans, and to see the effects of its policy changes. Thus, contrary to the battle-cry of the opposition, I believe that this by-election is not so much a report-card on the PAP, but rather on the WP.

When one draws up a report card for a political party, nothing does better as a guide than their own campaign promises. The most striking thing about the WP’s campaign in GE 2011 was its overarching rhetoric of a “First World Parliament”.

It is also arguable that it was this promise, and its alluring pitch of a ‘co-driver’ elected to ‘slap’ the ruling party when it veers off-course, the seductive promise of check-and-balance, and the ideological insistence that an opposition in Singapore was necessary, that toppled George Yeo’s team in Aljunied.
But has it delivered on its promise working towards of a First World Parliament? Has it been the effective check-and-balance it promised the voters it would be? Has the co-driver performed?

The strangest thing that struck me during the GE campaign of 2011 was the WP’s strident rhetoric that electing it to Parliament would foster more debate, and thus help Singapore progress towards a ‘First World Parliament’.

No motions by WP

What was strange and extremely disturbing to me was that for a party that values debate so highly, in the 21 months that I served as Nominated Member of Parliament, the WP was curiously passive on the debating front. One has to understand that in Parliament, asking parliamentary questions is de riguer and does little to contribute to ‘debate’.

Any parliamentarian who has a burning issue to debate must surely know that the best and only way to force such a debate is to file a full motion, which compels the whole of parliament to put aside all other business and really debate the issue, concluding with a vote by all present Parliamentarians.

In the 21 months that I was NMP the WP filed precisely ZERO motions.

They did not even file any adjournment motions that would have given them a chance to speak at length, rather than just ask a question. In the first 21 months since GE 2011, the Workers Party has filed merely one adjournment motion (by NCMP Yee Jenn Jong), and another by Sylvia Lim just to withdraw it again.

In contrast, my former parliamentary colleague Viswa Sadasivan filed a full motion during his very first parliamentary sitting, which not only made Cabinet Ministers rise to rebut him, but even caused then Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew to speak in Parliament for the first time in years, and in the process teaching a nation the meaning of the word `hifalutin’.

The question then to ask of the WP is then this: For a party that campaigned on the promise of more debate as part of their march towards a ‘First World Parliament’, whither the debate? Surely if you have an alternate vision for Singapore, a vision burning to be articulated in full, asking questions would not suffice? Surely if even a Nominated Member of Parliament can force the whole of government, including its most senior statesman, to focus their attention on a ‘hifalutin’ issue and engage in robust debate, then a party with six elected members of Parliament, two NCMPs , and an alternate vision for Singapore can do so much more?

The oft-heard refrain that because the WP has no chance of winning a debate there is no point in starting one, is a massive cop-out. The House in any Westminster Parliament is not only a legislative chamber, but also a debating chamber. Not being able to win a debate, does not mean an issue is not worth debating, especially if one is a politician elected on a promise of more debate.

This is not about politicking as Low Thia Kiang has recently said. This is not about being an irrational or unreasonable opposition. This is about keeping one’s election promise – if one sells the electorate a vision, and if they elected one on this vision, then one had better live up to it.

The Worker’s Party thus has far bigger questions to answer than the PAP. When the Prime Minister asked where its policy alternatives were, the answer is obvious: they lay hidden in the depths of its Manifesto. The more crucial question is why a party which campaigned forcefully for more debate and a ‘First World Parliament’ has allowed these alternative policies to remain there, rather than forcing a fundamental rethink from the government by requiring them to stoutly defend its policies in the House.

At the end of the day, the Worker’s Party did not promise to run Singapore’s town councils better. The Worker’s Party did not even promise to solve bread-and-butter issues that Singaporeans face . Instead, the Worker’s Party promised that it would be a check-and-balance, that it would be a co-driver, and that more debate would lead Singapore to a ‘First World Parliament’. It is this, this that the voters of Punggol East, and perhaps Singaporeans at large, must ultimately judge them.

If it hasn’t even delivered the one thing it promised, then the question voters need to ask is not the one WP is asking them - whether Singapore needs another PAP MP. Rather, the right question would be the exact opposite: whether Singapore needs another Worker’s Party MP, or indeed any at all.

Calvin Cheng, 37, was a Nominated Member of Parliament from July 2009 to May 2011.
 

Rumpole

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Despite the $16,041/month each and every of the WP MP earns or the one million dollars each and every of them would earn after a five year term, the WP MPs have clearly shown they are incredibly useless and hopeless.

If they are unable to stand up for their very own AIM issue and instead, conveniently rely on their Vellama Marie Muthu doctrine in getting non-elected politicians, netizens, bloggers, their very own supporters and the ordinary men in the street do that hard work and take the risks of raising issues, you can forget about them being your "voices".

It is not a WP's First World Parliament. It is a WP's deaf-mute Parliament.

It's not WP's 1st World Parliament you twit. Just in case you're not aware this Parliament has 81 PAP MPs and 8 WP MPs. Don't forget that Parliamentary rules and regulations are set by the PAP when there were only one or two Oppo MPs and designed to impede rather than facilitate scrutiny.

Even the damn Speaker was elected not in accordance with the fair rules of the UK Parliament but the rigged rules of the Sinkie Parliament.
If SG voters want a 1st World Parliament, they should vote in more Oppo MPs and in this BE vote for the Oppo candidate that has the best chance of winning. There will be chances to vote for SDP, NSP, etc in the next GE.
 

steffychun

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It's not WP's 1st World Parliament you twit. Just in case you're not aware this Parliament has 81 PAP MPs and 8 WP MPs. Don't forget that Parliamentary rules and regulations are set by the PAP when there were only one or two Oppo MPs and designed to impede rather than facilitate scrutiny.

Even the damn Speaker was elected not in accordance with the fair rules of the UK Parliament but the rigged rules of the Sinkie Parliament.
If SG voters want a 1st World Parliament, they should vote in more Oppo MPs and in this BE vote for the Oppo candidate that has the best chance of winning. There will be chances to vote for SDP, NSP, etc in the next GE.

Agree. You need more MP's from another party to form a shadow cabinet.
 

PTADER

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It's not WP's 1st World Parliament you twit. Just in case you're not aware this Parliament has 81 PAP MPs and 8 WP MPs. Don't forget that Parliamentary rules and regulations are set by the PAP when there were only one or two Oppo MPs and designed to impede rather than facilitate scrutiny.

Don't be daft. That WP's "First World Parliament" is a WP coinage and WP's clarion call. It is not mine. Mine is that it is a WP's "Deaf-Mute Parliament". As I don't intend to copyright the "Deaf-Mute Parliament" term, please feel free to use it to describe the reality that is the WP.

Even the damn Speaker was elected not in accordance with the fair rules of the UK Parliament but the rigged rules of the Sinkie Parliament. If SG voters want a 1st World Parliament, they should vote in more Oppo MPs and in this BE vote for the Oppo candidate that has the best chance of winning. There will be chances to vote for SDP, NSP, etc in the next GE.

No point fuming about AIM or the speaker in here. You have 6 + 2 WP MPs who will cost taxpayers no less than $100,000 every month and $6 million dollars after their five year term. Get these 6+2 WP deaf-mutes to raise it in Parliament. That's what they are supposed to be in Parliament for.
 

PTADER

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PTADER, are you nmp calvin cheng who wrote this?

It is an intelligent and brilliantly written piece which accurately describes the WP deaf-mutes. And as much as I would like to take credit for it, I can't because I am not Calvin Cheng. But thanks for posting it here and bringing it to the attention of a wider audience.
 

scroobal

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I have to agree with Calvin Cheng and they are compelling arguments. However it does not mean I am going to allow the PAP to get another seat. As long as WP deprives the PAP a seat in Singapore's Parliament it immediately reduces the PAP's long held invincibility, their arrogance, their disdain for the views of the ordinary man and their politics of elitism. Every seat lost by the PAP, forces it to become more accountable, more collegiate in dealing with their opposition counterparts, and more responsive to Singaporeans. Every seat lost by the PAP means, we move close to true democracy, the vote of Singaporeans rises in value and we become closer as a nation in charting this country's destiny.

The PAP holds 81 out of 87 seats and that is 93% of the house. At this stage, I would vote a chimp, donkey or a bicycle thief to reduce their unhealthy majority. Eventually WP will have to step up and deliver what they are paid for.

A sane and rational person does not cut his nose to spite his face. A sane man and rational person would know which side of the bread is buttered.

Calvin Cheng is a former PAP member who acted dishonestly by allowing himself to be considered for the position of NMP. He cannot hold a candle to any of the WP MPs as his integrity has been compromised. If he has a decent bone in him, he would have declared his partisan background and not get caught out later. What Calvin Cheng did not mention that Walter Woon, an NMP to move a motion in Parliament. No PAP backbencher has done that before. All motions have been raised by PAP MPs holding political appointment with various ministries and they are paid to raise motions for their ministries in the course of their work.

Calvin Cheng should also know that no motion by a WP MP can carried when they represent less 7% of parliament. I hope he knows that one needs majority to pass a motion. Its like asking a bald man to go for a perm.
 

metalmickey

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Not long ago on another thread I basically pooh-poohed the importance of the PAP internet brigade.

http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?141284-Papies-internet-bridgate

But now I have reason to believe that PTADER is a PAP IB.

It is not wrong to raise questions about the Worker's party's attitudes towards minorities. But there are a lot of assertions given here without any proof, and this guy is basically one of a few isolated voices.

You shouldn't be doing it during an election campaign. This issue will always be around, we can always settle this issue whether or not the WP gets that one more seat or not. It's not going to be a larger or smaller problem because of that. The importance right now is to get that one more seat. First this guy was saying that the problem was the WP leadership is disdainful of minorities. Then now he's going at another angle where he's talking about WP not raising enough issues in parliament. He's not coming in here to comment once, he's doing it regularly, bumping up his own threads. This guy is clearly not interested in having WP solve its own problems. He's more interested in making sure that the WP does not get elected.

There are issues - bringing up material for parliament. Giving minorities a proper voice in WP. But these are always issues that can be solved with time. Just because they exist now (assuming they exist at all) is not an indication that they will never be solved. Even the current arrangement where a lot of disparate people or voices are the ones bringing up issues - when the WP gets enough clout, enough political power, these people can be co-opted into the party at a later stage. Gerald Giam used to be "only" a blogger. Pritam Singh was some editor of a magazine (can't remember the name). It doesn't matter that all these people, all these activists are currently outside the aegis of the WP, you can bring them into the sphere later.

WP needs to:

1. Get more seats in parliament
2. Get more quality minority candidates and co-opt them more effectively into the WP leadership
3. Raise more issues in parliament.

But all three things can proceed on parallel tracks and then join up later. Don't need to wait until WP solves problems 2 and 3 first before you give them more seats. Give them one more seat now. Like NOW.

Now this ptader guy has been stating - without proof - that he has audio recordings of LTK making diparaging remarks about minorities. That he's actually a concerned Hokkien but not Mandarin speaking Chinese guy. No proof of either. He's a liar? He's a PAP guy? Where's he coming from?

If you are concerned about the WP, just shut the hell up about the problems now, circle your wagons, get that one more seat, and then after the election is over you can talk about cleaning up shop. The more you help WP now, they more clout they have, the easier it is for them to solve all these problems in the future. Next time he comes around, don't respond to him, don't bump up his threads. Don't respond to this one either.
 
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Rumpole

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Don't be daft. That WP's "First World Parliament" is a WP coinage and WP's clarion call. It is not mine. Mine is that it is a WP's "Deaf-Mute Parliament". As I don't intend to copyright the "Deaf-Mute Parliament" term, please feel free to use it to describe the reality that is the WP.

You are the daft one here. The slogan was "TOWARDS a 1st World Parliament".

http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/05/lets-strive-towards-a-first-world-parliament-wp/

Why is the distinction important? Because in Parliament, it is majority rules. The message is not "we are able to automatically turn the SG Parliament into a 1st World Parliament regardless of how many seats we actually get". It is "vote for us, we get maybe 20 out of 80 and we can start our journey TOWARDS a 1st World Parliament". In the end, the Opposition got 40% of the votes and only 6 seats, less than 10% out of 80 plus MPs. Why? PAP has rigged the election system with gerrymandering, GRC, PA, State propaganda machine, etc.

The "Deaf Mute Parliament" is an appropriate term for the PAP dominated Parliaments prior to GE 2011. You can have that copyright.

Parliament is becoming more noisy and it is part of the journey TOWARDS a 1st World Parliament. Impatient? Want to make the journey fasterer, quickerer and betterer as multi-million dollar salaried Zorro without portfolio might put it? Then vote in more Opposition MPs lor. In this BE, it means vote for the only Opposition party that actually stands a chance to win. It's as simple as that.


No point fuming about AIM or the speaker in here. You have 6 + 2 WP MPs who will cost taxpayers no less than $100,000 every month and $6 million dollars after their five year term. Get these 6+2 WP deaf-mutes to raise it in Parliament. That's what they are supposed to be in Parliament for.

What about the 80 or so deaf-mute PAP MPs? How much do those cost?

What about the incompetent Ministers? How much MORE do those cost?

AIM is important. It shows that the PAP is more focused on fixing Opposition than fixing problems which are created through their own mismanagement. They have not delivered on any of the promises they made in GE 2011, but the promise to fix the Opposition, this one they delivered in spades. This is the chance for the electorate to tell them that enough is enough. If you don't adjust your focus soon, from fixing the Opposition to fixing the country's problems which you created, then come GE 2016, PAP will be whacked even more.

Have you heard of "Short money"? This is the money that the UK govt pays every year to fund whichever happens to be the largest Opposition party in the House so that that party can perform its function properly. It is adjusted every year for inflation. Is the PAP willing to implement that? If it does, the sun will rise from the west!
 
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tanwahp

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Calvin Cheng should also know that no motion by a WP MP can carried when they represent less 7% of parliament. I hope he knows that one needs majority to pass a motion. Its like asking a bald man to go for a perm.

Can see that some people including PAP supporters have been putting up allegations against WP where facts are not easily available, readable or comprehended.

I will not call PAP IB as I do not know if their effort is concerted.
 

metalmickey

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Can see that some people including PAP supporters have been putting up allegations against WP where facts are not easily available, readable or comprehended.

I will not call PAP IB as I do not know if their effort is concerted.

It doesn't matter. Maybe he really is a disgruntled ex-WP? Maybe he is a PAP IB? Maybe he is an RP / SDA IB?

Let's have freedom of speech after the election is over. For now, anybody whose behaviour is the same as PAP IB, just go ahead and lynch them.
 

cheekenpie

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I have to agree with Calvin Cheng and they are compelling arguments. However it does not mean I am going to allow the PAP to get another seat. As long as WP deprives the PAP a seat in Singapore's Parliament it immediately reduces the PAP's long held invincibility, their arrogance, their disdain for the views of the ordinary man and their politics of elitism. Every seat lost by the PAP, forces it to become more accountable, more collegiate in dealing with their opposition counterparts, and more responsive to Singaporeans. Every seat lost by the PAP means, we move close to true democracy, the vote of Singaporeans rises in value and we become closer as a nation in charting this country's destiny.

The PAP holds 81 out of 87 seats and that is 93% of the house. At this stage, I would vote a chimp, donkey or a bicycle thief to reduce their unhealthy majority. Eventually WP will have to step up and deliver what they are paid for.

A sane and rational person does not cut his nose to spite his face. A sane man and rational person would know which side of the bread is buttered.

Calvin Cheng is a former PAP member who acted dishonestly by allowing himself to be considered for the position of NMP. He cannot hold a candle to any of the WP MPs as his integrity has been compromised. If he has a decent bone in him, he would have declared his partisan background and not get caught out later. What Calvin Cheng did not mention that Walter Woon, an NMP to move a motion in Parliament. No PAP backbencher has done that before. All motions have been raised by PAP MPs holding political appointment with various ministries and they are paid to raise motions for their ministries in the course of their work.

Calvin Cheng should also know that no motion by a WP MP can carried when they represent less 7% of parliament. I hope he knows that one needs majority to pass a motion. Its like asking a bald man to go for a perm.

Calvin join for one day out of curiosity la.

Still can raise motion mah... whether can 'pass motion' depends on PAP...hehehe
 

cass888

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Was that what Darinne told you?

It's not WP's 1st World Parliament you twit. Just in case you're not aware this Parliament has 81 PAP MPs and 8 WP MPs. Don't forget that Parliamentary rules and regulations are set by the PAP when there were only one or two Oppo MPs and designed to impede rather than facilitate scrutiny.

Even the damn Speaker was elected not in accordance with the fair rules of the UK Parliament but the rigged rules of the Sinkie Parliament.
If SG voters want a 1st World Parliament, they should vote in more Oppo MPs and in this BE vote for the Oppo candidate that has the best chance of winning. There will be chances to vote for SDP, NSP, etc in the next GE.
 

cass888

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A full motion properly proposed and seconded must be debated in full. That will give the WP a chance (or force them) to take a stand on issues.

Calvin Cheng should also know that no motion by a WP MP can carried when they represent less 7% of parliament. I hope he knows that one needs majority to pass a motion. Its like asking a bald man to go for a perm.
 
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