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A Singaporean's guide to living in Thailand

chonburifc

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OK, here's my dinner, Kway Chap. Thai Kway Chap quite different from Sinkee Kway Chap. There are no Tao Pok and Tao Gua and Lor Neng (Braised eggs). More machiam Zhu Zha Tang with Kway Teow. Add lots of pepper and chilli powder. Good thing about Sin City is everything Aroi is so near. This one come and return only 30 mins.

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Ehh tunggu tunggu....................

which meat you talking in this picture? You with your your wife or with that woman? LOL

Pii Alamaking, that Singapore "soul mate" yesterday morning go back liao. Lunch yesterday with Hazard (thread #3292 page 165). This friend no choice help me bring pepper that I bought in Chinatown Bangkok to Pii Chonburifc.
 

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It's a pretty run down area. Fren was actually embarrassed when i asked to visit the apartment. The design is very unique however there was also one room that was playing some religious songs about pharkanet.

Run down, how? What's pharkanet?

Strangely, I haven't come across a dirty apartment complex yet - they must exist because in the villages, man, they heck care about throwing garbage here and there, down the drains - everywhere. But strangely not in Bangkok apartments. They're somehow relatively clean.

Nobody urinates in the lift in the corner etc
 

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I just took from the window of hotel Amaranth overlooking Suvarnabhumbi Airport where she is staying. The lights are the lights of the airport and runway. I'm going home now.
 

Jah_rastafar_I

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Run down, how? What's pharkanet?

Strangely, I haven't come across a dirty apartment complex yet - they must exist because in the villages, man, they heck care about throwing garbage here and there, down the drains - everywhere. But strangely not in Bangkok apartments. They're somehow relatively clean.

Nobody urinates in the lift in the corner etc


well the place doesn't really look that clean. I stayed in city home on rachada soi 10 and it was much better than that place.

That's the elephant headed god ganesh. I know the spelling is off but he's called par-pi-ker-net in thai.


Perhaps there's actually a big difference in cleanliness and other such factors in apartments and condos in thailand.

You seem to have lived in thai villages, condos and so on. What place did you encounter urine in the lift?
 

rotikosong

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You seem to have lived in thai villages, condos and so on. What place did you encounter urine in the lift?

Bukit Merah :biggrin: Serious.

I haven't lived-lived in a Thai village - just visited. Longest stay was perhaps 1.5 months in a place called Baan Pa Deng, about 15 minute drive from Mae Sai on the road to Chiang Khong.

Dirtiest place was a Lisaw village in the mountains on the road between Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai near a town called Wiang Pa Pao. I mao rot (carsick) on the one-hour drive from Wiang Pa Pao up to the mountains. Imagine sitting on the pickup bed, lurching through twisty roads with long cliff drops. There's nothing to see really in the Lisaw village, just poor folk. The walls of houses, you can see through, floors are dirt with a raised wooden platform for the sleeping area. I stayed there a couple of days but I've been back several times. The one thing you do see is that all the young men are mostly yaba dealers and wear a lot of silver (Lisaw people prize silver, not gold)

This is during a 10-15 year span of different long hair dictionaries. Maybe I write more if there's interest

Perhaps there's actually a big difference in cleanliness and other such factors in apartments and condos in thailand.

I recently visited a friend who lives in a condo maybe 800m west on Param9 from the MRT station called Lumpini place. Perhaps 13-15k a month for a studio - that place is the nice new face of Ratchada I think - lots of condos in that price range now either newly completed or being built, moving Ratchada mid-market
 

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That's the elephant headed god ganesh. I know the spelling is off but he's called par-pi-ker-net in thai.


Perhaps there's actually a big difference in cleanliness and other such factors in apartments and condos in thailand.

It's Ganesha you're referring to, and he is known as Phra Phikanet (พระพิฆเนศ)

BTW, if the apartment from which the pics were taken is not prominent, it's a bit unfair to expect anyone to pinpoint the correct spot. Ratchada or Huaykwang would be deemed correct.
 
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Jah_rastafar_I

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It's Ganesha you're referring to, and he is known as Phra Phikanet (พระพิฆเนศ)

BTW, if the apartment from which the pics were taken is not prominent, it's a bit unfair to expect anyone to pinpoint the correct spot. Ratchada or Huaykwang would be deemed correct.


opps i got the spelling of his indian name wrong too. But whatever it's the god with the elephant's head and like all hindu gods has like thousands of names. The tamils or the locals here call him pillayaar hopefully i spelled that correct.


Actually i didn't really expect anyone to guess it correctly. BKK is so huge and pictures like that look like anywhere in bkk or even thailand.
 

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Bukit Merah :biggrin: Serious.

I haven't lived-lived in a Thai village - just visited. Longest stay was perhaps 1.5 months in a place called Baan Pa Deng, about 15 minute drive from Mae Sai on the road to Chiang Khong.

Dirtiest place was a Lisaw village in the mountains on the road between Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai near a town called Wiang Pa Pao. I mao rot (carsick) on the one-hour drive from Wiang Pa Pao up to the mountains. Imagine sitting on the pickup bed, lurching through twisty roads with long cliff drops. There's nothing to see really in the Lisaw village, just poor folk. The walls of houses, you can see through, floors are dirt with a raised wooden platform for the sleeping area. I stayed there a couple of days but I've been back several times. The one thing you do see is that all the young men are mostly yaba dealers and wear a lot of silver (Lisaw people prize silver, not gold)

This is during a 10-15 year span of different long hair dictionaries. Maybe I write more if there's interest



I recently visited a friend who lives in a condo maybe 800m west on Param9 from the MRT station called Lumpini place. Perhaps 13-15k a month for a studio - that place is the nice new face of Ratchada I think - lots of condos in that price range now either newly completed or being built, moving Ratchada mid-market

I tried googling lisaw and couldn't find any info on them. They must be some ethnic minority like those long necked gals.
 

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I tried googling lisaw and couldn't find any info on them. They must be some ethnic minority like those long necked gals.

In English it's "Lisu". They are called Lisaw by Thais. There are many hilltribes - Lisu, Akha, Moo Ser, Keliang (English: "Karen") etc.

Lisu look the most Chinese - I think they originated from Tibet - and they are distinctly different from the Neau ("Lanna") peoples of Northern Thailand. They are animistic in their religion (although the newer generation are also Buddhists) - they have a mor pi (literally: ghost doctor) bless almost everything they do, their houses have a specific design, they have ancestral worship practices, they drink lots of chinese tea, they like silver etc

You can tell them apart from Thais by the their last name - it's un-Thai is the best way to describe it. Very beautiful women too I might add :biggrin:
 
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opps i got the spelling of his indian name wrong too. But whatever it's the god with the elephant's head and like all hindu gods has like thousands of names. The tamils or the locals here call him pillayaar hopefully i spelled that correct.


Actually i didn't really expect anyone to guess it correctly. BKK is so huge and pictures like that look like anywhere in bkk or even thailand.

By the first look I already said Huay Kwang I know this place so well. Shit I always park my car at these parking lots shown in your pics. Pay 20 baht and then go to makan on the main Huay Kwang road. You must have seen these night pics I recently took (page 120, post #2394). Slightly down the road behind the stall I post will be those carparks.
 

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By the first look I already said Huay Kwang I know this place so well.

Didn't you live in the area as well in the past? Hway Kwang has 2 markets - one that opens daytime, that's further down from the night one most here know well at the junction (see yaek hway kwang)
 

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Something like that, I used to live in Supalai Park Condo the 3 tall buildings at Ratchayothin junction near to Central Lad Phrao. Oh opposite the Elephant Building.

Didn't you live in the area as well in the past? Hway Kwang has 2 markets - one that opens daytime, that's further down from the night one most here know well at the junction (see yaek hway kwang)
 
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Jah_rastafar_I

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In English it's "Lisu". They are called Lisaw by Thais. There are many hilltribes - Lisu, Akha, Moo Ser, Keliang (English: "Karen") etc.

Lisu look the most Chinese - I think they originated from Tibet - and they are distinctly different from the Neau ("Lanna") peoples of Northern Thailand. They are animistic in their religion (although the newer generation are also Buddhists) - they have a mor pi (literally: ghost doctor) bless almost everything they do, their houses have a specific design, they have ancestral worship practices, they drink lots of chinese tea, they like silver etc

You can tell them apart from Thais by the their last name - it's un-Thai is the best way to describe it. Very beautiful women too I might add :biggrin:

thanks for telling me the english name i can do a bit of research on them. I am the most familiar with the karen cos i read about their war with the burmeses govt. These minorities don't really have it good. I remember seeing 2 child karen leaders. They were probably 10 yrs or less and already smoking opium i think and were leaders of the karen.

Btw do these hill tribe ppl need to learn how to speak thai? Do they have autonomous status like the minority ppl in china? It seems to be that the thai govt isn't trying to assimilate them into main thai society.
 

Jah_rastafar_I

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By the first look I already said Huay Kwang I know this place so well. Shit I always park my car at these parking lots shown in your pics. Pay 20 baht and then go to makan on the main Huay Kwang road. You must have seen these night pics I recently took (page 120, post #2394). Slightly down the road behind the stall I post will be those carparks.


That place is near robinsons i'm not really sure if hway kwang is nearby. I visited hway kwang a few times but sorry to say i didn't really take note of its exact location in rachada.
 

rotikosong

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thanks for telling me the english name i can do a bit of research on them. I am the most familiar with the karen cos i read about their war with the burmeses govt. These minorities don't really have it good. I remember seeing 2 child karen leaders. They were probably 10 yrs or less and already smoking opium i think and were leaders of the karen.

Btw do these hill tribe ppl need to learn how to speak thai? Do they have autonomous status like the minority ppl in china? It seems to be that the thai govt isn't trying to assimilate them into main thai society.

I cannot say about other hill tribes but I do know about the Lisu. The newer generation are Thai citizens - they all have the Thai ID card (bat prachachon) and unless you look at their last names, are indistinguishable from ethnic Thais. They go through the Thai school system so they speak Thai natively. In fact, the Lisu language itself is dying out slowly especially with the young ones - they can understand it but they choose to speak Thai more.

They mostly have Thai first names. In addition, they all have Lisu names as well - which, interestingly enough, do not have much variation. For example, the firstborn son is almost always called Gu, second-born is Le. Firrstborn daughter is Min etc.

Where are they found? They cluster in Lisu villages but increasingly, more are moving out. In Chiang Mai, a big village is at Mae Taeng 20-30 minutes north of Chiang Mai City - almost everyone is Lisu there.

They are not autonomous - but instead they have their own Kam Nans (village headmen just like other Thai tambons) they are treated like Thai citizens although there's a lot of NGOs and church-affiliated groups (a lot of Lisu are Christians) that help protect their interests. A big one is the Mae Fa Luang foundation that was founded by I think the King's mother.

Where they are marginalized are the older generation - due to lack of education they are taken advantaged off by Thais and the newly arrived - lots of Lisu live in Myanmar and come to Thailand for jobs. Also marginalized are the hardcore poor who, due to lack of education, did not register birth or deliver in hospital etc so they are effectively undocumented. This has been reduced greatly though through the efforts of NGOs and political parties to get them properly documented.

Today, a lot of them have university education but equally many drop out and fall prey to the number#1 trade: drug-running. Many were killed during Taksin's war on drugs. You get both sides of the spectrum with the Lisu.

Finally, you can tell Lisu too by their dress - google for images. The women wear traditional dress, especially when going to a dominant-Lisu village. They aren't shy of their Lisu attire - you can see them even in Chiang Mai city. Looks sort of like what was worn in the Qing Dynasty HK dramas, with silver belts and necklaces. The men wear these long, velour shorts that's baggy, huge holes for legs and falls below the knees. They usually pair those with a modern t-shirt. I have one that was given to me. It is said that the men never take these off, not even when shagging. Since the legholes are wide, you can simply slide the necessary parts out and back in after the deed. I've tried - it certainly can be done :biggrin:
 

rotikosong

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If you want to find out about another ethnic minority that's not hilltribe - then read up on the Tai Yai - or in English: Shan.

They come from Kyaingtong or Chiang Tung or Keng Tung in Burma, which is 3-4 hours drive from Tachilek, the border town opposite Mae Sai. Today, a large number of them live in Mae Sai - to the chagrin of the Thais who are slowly being pushed out.

Most of them are in Mae Sai on special visas that restrict them to living in Amphur Mae Sai only. They have a special "Mae Sai only" ID card and are not Thai citizens.
 

Jah_rastafar_I

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If you want to find out about another ethnic minority that's not hilltribe - then read up on the Tai Yai - or in English: Shan.

They come from Kyaingtong or Chiang Tung or Keng Tung in Burma, which is 3-4 hours drive from Tachilek, the border town opposite Mae Sai. Today, a large number of them live in Mae Sai - to the chagrin of the Thais who are slowly being pushed out.

Most of them are in Mae Sai on special visas that restrict them to living in Amphur Mae Sai only. They have a special "Mae Sai only" ID card and are not Thai citizens.


how do they push out thais from their own home land?
 
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