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    Angry 18 year old Ah Tiong PR goes to court to renounce Sinkie citizenship

    PR FOREIGNER AVOID NS AFTER LEECHING SG'S SYSTEM

    11/30/2011 06:27:00 AM TEMASEK REVEALED



    This is the type of PR/converted citizens that the Singapore Govt loves - one who takes all the benefits available to citizens, but yet when it is time for him to fulfil his obligations, he will try his best to avoid. Will the Singapore Govt ever learn?


    The Immigration & Checkpoint Authority (ICA) has rejected the application of Zhang Junyi to denounce his Singapore citizenship, citing that he is not yet a legal adult. In addition, the ICA also reminded Zhang of his National Service obligation when he becomes 18 year-old. In response, Zhang sought a judicial review on ICA's decision.


    Zhang Junyi filed his request to the Supreme Court through his father Zhang Shaowei. Zhang Junyi was represented by lawyer Lee Jing Xiong who asked the Supreme Court to review the decision of the ICA and the Ministry of Defence on Zhang Junyi's case.


    Zhang Junyi urged the Court to rule that he is eligible to renounce his Singapore citizenship, he doesn't qualify for national service, and that his notice to the ICA last year which declared his intention to renounce citizenship is valid.


    Zhang Junyi is due for National Service registration soon. He is currently on an exit permit which cleared him for overseas studies. The exit permit will expire on 30 December 2011. The law requires males eligible for National Service to register with the Ministry of Defence when they turn 16.5 years old.


    Zhang Junyi's parents Zhang Shaowei and Liang Jiali emigrated to Singapore in January 1996. They converted to Singapore citizenship, along with Zhang Junyi's 2 elder sisters. 2 months after gaining citizenship, they moved to Hongkong.


    Zhang Junyi was borned in Hongkong 3 months after his family moved there. Subsequently, Zhang Junyi was granted Singapore citizenship the following Febraury. He lived in Hongkong until he returned to Singapore in 2005 at the age of 10 to study.


    In August 2010, Zhang Junyi applied to Hongkong Department of Immigration to restore his Chinese citizenship. Although the Department accepted his application, it was conditional that he relinquishes his Singapore citizenship. 4 months later, Zhang Junyi notified the ICA of his intention to renouce his Singapore citizenship.



    However. the ICA rejected his application, citing Section 1, Article 128 of the Singapore Constitution that a citizen can only give up his citizenship when he is above 21 years old and that parents may not make such a decision for the child. The ICA also added that according to Section 2, Article 128 of the Singapore Constitution, Zhang Junyi is obligated to complete his National Service as long as he remains a Singapore citizen.


    The Central Manpower Base (CPMB) also suggested that Zhang Junyi should postpone his application for change of citizenship until he has turned 21 years old and that he has completed his National Service. CMPB will consider his application.


    In response, Zhang Junyi described the constitutional interpretation of the ICA and the CMPB as "illogical and unfair", citing 3 points. Firstly, the Singapore citizenship was imposed on him because his parents emigrated to Singapore.


    Secondly, he is not a 100% citizen because he will only be accorded with full citizenship rights as soon as he relinquished other citizenships within a year after he turned 21 years old. As such, the aforementioned constitutional provisions are irrelevant.


    Thirdly, the Enlistment Act does not apply on him because he was less than 16 years old when he first declared his intention to ICA to renounce his Singapore citizenship.


    The Attorney General's Chamber (AGC) was notified of the application for judicial review in the middle of November by Zhang Junyi's lawyer Mr Lee Jing Xiong. The pre-conference trial starts today.


    Expert: "Interesting" Judicial Review


    Constitutional law expert Dr Kevin Tan told Zaobao this would be an "interesting" judicial review. He also pointed out that the Courts rarely take on cases which involve citizenship rights because very few people would submit such issues to the Courts.


    He also added that Zhang Junyi may not succeed in securing a judicial review because both the ICA and the CMPB did not act wilfully or irregularly, and as well as exceed their jurisdictions.


    Dr Kevin Tan said that Article 128 of the Singapore Constitution appears absolute and that only Singaporeans above the age of 21 are eligible to renounce their citizenship.


    Few days ago, Minster of Defence Dr Ng Eng Hen revealed in Parliament 8800 sons of new immigrants had been enlisted for National Service over the last five years. Among them, 6100 (70%) opted to become Singapore citizens.


    However, among second-generation permanent residents, 4200 gave up their permanent residency over the same period. In another words, for every three sons of permanent residents, two would enlist while one would give up his permanent residency status in order to forgo national service.

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    The other day, I saw and heard one prc girl discussing with her friend, the economic pro ands and cons in getting sgp pr. It's all about $$, don't expect any feelings from this one, their parents are all in prc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Trader View Post
    In response, Zhang Junyi described the constitutional interpretation of the ICA and the CMPB as "illogical and unfair", citing 3 points. Firstly, the Singapore citizenship was imposed on him because his parents emigrated to Singapore.
    He has a valid point there. He didn't ask to be brought up in that stupid little Island. He obviously had no say in the matter whatsoever.

    Why should he be made to pay for the atrocious choice his parents made in taking up citizenship???

    Trying to force those who have absolutely no interest in living in the country is a waste of resources, time, and money. He'll be out of there the day of his ROD never to return again.

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    F*ck You PAP.. Farkin Well Serves You Right..!!! You rolled Out The red Carpet for these foreign Scums, And Now they are repaying your kindness and hospitality by F*ckin You Back In your Asses.. The eyes of All PRs and New Immigrants will now be focussed on the result of this judicial review...And the 40% will be keenly watching the developments of this saga too..

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    Can the state "force" citizenship upon those unwilling to be?

    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeddy View Post
    F*ck You PAP.. Farkin Well Serves You Right..!!! You rolled Out The red Carpet for these foreign Scums, And Now they are repaying your kindness and hospitality by F*ckin You Back In your Asses.. The eyes of All PRs and New Immigrants will now be focussed on the result of this judicial review...And the 40% will be keenly watching the developments of this saga too..
    Well, tax payers are fuck left and right and we are made to pay. But the Minister are still paid handsomely to screw Singaporean and their money.

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    I find this part interesting. Looks like limbo.

    Can any knowledgeable forumers provide views on this? And what do they mean by "'May' not make"

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Trader View Post
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    However. the ICA rejected his application, citing Section 1, Article 128 of the Singapore Constitution that a citizen can only give up his citizenship when he is above 21 years old and that parents may not make such a decision for the child. The ICA also added that according to Section 2, Article 128 of the Singapore Constitution, Zhang Junyi is obligated to complete his National Service as long as he remains a Singapore citizen.


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    this is what sinkie gets for whoring herself!

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    I hope Pap lets this ah tiong renounce his citizenship. then let him serve his 2 year NS liability in DB.

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    Zhang Junyi's parents Zhang Shaowei and Liang Jiali emigrated to Singapore in January 1996. They converted to Singapore citizenship, along with Zhang Junyi's 2 elder sisters. 2 months after gaining citizenship, they moved to Hongkong.

    Zhang Junyi was borned in Hongkong 3 months after his family moved there. Subsequently, Zhang Junyi was granted Singapore citizenship the following Febraury. He lived in Hongkong until he returned to Singapore in 2005 at the age of 10 to study.


    In August 2010, Zhang Junyi applied to Hongkong Department of Immigration to restore his Chinese citizenship. Although the Department accepted his application, it was conditional that he relinquishes his Singapore citizenship. 4 months later, Zhang Junyi notified the ICA of his intention to renouce his Singapore citizenship.
    If you look at the dates, you will realise that this was just prior to the 1997 handover of Hong Kong to China. Back then, there was widespread fear of what China will do to Hong Kong after the hand over.

    Hence when Mr Zhang was born in Mar/Apr 1996, his parents "wisely" obtained Singapore citizenship for him.

    In August 2010, Mr Zhang reportedly went to the Hongkong Department of Immigration to restore his Chinese citizenship. Working backwards, this would mean that he was approximately 14 years old. This is 2 to 2.5 years prior to mandatory registration for NS at 16.5 years. By this time, things had of course stablised in HK and there was no longer any fear of China running HK to ground.

    They had probably thought that they had worked it all out and beat the system when ICA / Mindef threw them the curveball and informed that Mr Zhang could not renounce his Singapore citizenship until he has served his NS. Since Hong Kong has refused to give him back his Chinese citizenship until he sucessfully renounces his Singapore citizenship, he is effectively stuck with his pink Singapore IC.

    But fear not since we have recently learnt it is possible to get 12 year deferments and serve in a non combat civilian vocation even if you are Pes A. Perhaps Mr Zhang can write in to Mindef and request thar he be allowed to follow the same NS path as one Dr Patrick Tan.

    PS Small point - Mr Zhang is not an Ah Tiong. He is in fact a Hong Kee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leongsam View Post
    Why should he be made to pay for the atrocious choice his parents made in taking up citizenship???

    Trying to force those who have absolutely no interest in living in the country is a waste of resources, time, and money. He'll be out of there the day of his ROD never to return again.

    I know plenty of Sporeans who share this sentiment. After NS they studied overseas & never returned except to renounce their citizen. In fact they would have gone sooner if they hadn't been forced to do NS.

    Even back then many Sporeans didn't want to live in LKY's Spore & that sentiment is shared by the new generation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Trader View Post
    I hope Pap lets this ah tiong renounce his citizenship. then let him serve his 2 year NS liability in DB.
    it's 3 years DB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narong Wongwan View Post
    it's 3 years DB
    oh? I thought those 7th day adventist and mormons who can't take up arms only need to serve the full length of their liabilities in DB?

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    Default Zhang Junyi demand court to let him denounce his Singapore citizenship to avoid NS

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    This is the type of PR/converted citizens that the Singapore Govt loves - one who takes all the benefits available to citizens, but yet when it is time for him to fulfil his obligations, he will try his best to avoid. Will the Singapore Govt ever learn?

    The Immigration & Checkpoint Authority (ICA) has rejected the application of Zhang Junyi to denounce his Singapore citizenship, citing that he is not yet a legal adult. In addition, the ICA also reminded Zhang of his National Service obligation when he becomes 18 year-old. In response, Zhang sought a judicial review on ICA's decision.

    Zhang Junyi filed his request to the Supreme Court through his father Zhang Shaowei. Zhang Junyi was represented by lawyer Lee Jing Xiong who asked the Supreme Court to review the decision of the ICA and the Ministry of Defence on Zhang Junyi's case.

    Zhang Junyi urged the Court to rule that he is eligible to renounce his Singapore citizenship, he doesn't qualify for national service, and that his notice to the ICA last year which declared his intention to renounce citizenship is valid.

    Zhang Junyi is due for National Service registration soon. He is currently on an exit permit which cleared him for overseas studies. The exit permit will expire on 30 December 2011. The law requires males eligible for National Service to register with the Ministry of Defence when they turn 16.5 years old.

    Zhang Junyi's parents Zhang Shaowei and Liang Jiali emigrated to Singapore in January 1996. They converted to Singapore citizenship, along with Zhang Junyi's 2 elder sisters. 2 months after gaining citizenship, they moved to Hongkong.

    Zhang Junyi was borned in Hongkong 3 months after his family moved there. Subsequently, Zhang Junyi was granted Singapore citizenship the following Febraury. He lived in Hongkong until he returned to Singapore in 2005 at the age of 10 to study.

    In August 2010, Zhang Junyi applied to Hongkong Department of Immigration to restore his Chinese citizenship. Although the Department accepted his application, it was conditional that he relinquishes his Singapore citizenship. 4 months later, Zhang Junyi notified the ICA of his intention to renouce his Singapore citizenship.

    However. the ICA rejected his application, citing Section 1, Article 128 of the Singapore Constitution that a citizen can only give up his citizenship when he is above 21 years old and that parents may not make such a decision for the child. The ICA also added that according to Section 2, Article 128 of the Singapore Constitution, Zhang Junyi is obligated to complete his National Service as long as he remains a Singapore citizen.

    The Central Manpower Base (CPMB) also suggested that Zhang Junyi should postpone his application for change of citizenship until he has turned 21 years old and that he has completed his National Service. CMPB will consider his application.

    In response, Zhang Junyi described the constitutional interpretation of the ICA and the CMPB as "illogical and unfair", citing 3 points. Firstly, the Singapore citizenship was imposed on him because his parents emigrated to Singapore.

    Secondly, he is not a 100% citizen because he will only be accorded with full citizenship rights as soon as he relinquished other citizenships within a year after he turned 21 years old. As such, the aforementioned constitutional provisions are irrelevant.

    Thirdly, the Enlistment Act does not apply on him because he was less than 16 years old when he first declared his intention to ICA to renounce his Singapore citizenship.


    The Attorney General's Chamber (AGC) was notified of the application for judicial review in the middle of November by Zhang Junyi's lawyer Mr Lee Jing Xiong. The pre-conference trial starts today.

    Expert: "Interesting" Judicial Review

    Constitutional law expert Dr Kevin Tan told Zaobao this would be an "interesting" judicial review. He also pointed out that the Courts rarely take on cases which involve citizenship rights because very few people would submit such issues to the Courts.

    He also added that Zhang Junyi may not succeed in securing a judicial review because both the ICA and the CMPB did not act wilfully or irregularly, and as well as exceed their jurisdictions.

    Dr Kevin Tan said that Article 128 of the Singapore Constitution appears absolute and that only Singaporeans above the age of 21 are eligible to renounce their citizenship.

    Few days ago, Minster of Defence Dr Ng Eng Hen revealed in Parliament 8800 sons of new immigrants had been enlisted for National Service over the last five years. Among them, 6100 (70%) opted to become Singapore citizens.

    However, among second-generation permanent residents, 4200 gave up their permanent residency over the same period. In another words, for every three sons of permanent residents, two would enlist while one would give up his permanent residency status in order to forgo national service.

    Chinese transcript: http://www.zaobao.com.sg/sp/sp111129_004.shtml

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    He was not even born in Sinkieland!

    At least he got the guts to challenge the establishment. Why not support this guy. Sinkees has been screwed right left up down. Time to tell the ruling party to wake up their fucking idea. In the first place, the ruling party is thick skin enough to prostitute Sinkee land to these FT.

    Sorry add another line.

    ruling party is thick skin enough to prostitute Sinkee land to these FT at the expense of Sinkees.
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    Boss, SAF should just send his parents to DB since it's not his fault.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leongsam View Post
    He has a valid point there. He didn't ask to be brought up in that stupid little Island. He obviously had no say in the matter whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chonburifc View Post
    He was not even born in Sinkieland!.
    PAP claims Sporeans must pay back for the benefits they have enjoyed from Spore.
    At a young age what kind of benefits does a Sporeans actually received except schooling?

    For Sporeans, they are not allowed to attend International Schools even if they want to because you need special "permission". So they are forced to attend local schools. Is the cost of schooling Sporeans receive worth 2 years of slave wages plus decades of reservist liability Keeping in mind that you can get injured or die from NS & that some white horses get away from doing NS

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    Is legal matter. Any male citizen also can renounce SG citizen to ship NS. Just need to convert citizen before NS all settle. But how many or % have gut and money? Less than 1%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny333 View Post
    PAP claims Sporeans must pay back for the benefits they have enjoyed from Spore.
    At a young age what kind of benefits does a Sporeans actually received except schooling?

    For Sporeans, they are not allowed to attend International Schools even if they want to because you need special "permission". So they are forced to attend local schools. Is the cost of schooling Sporeans receive worth 2 years of slave wages plus decades of reservist liability Keeping in mind that you can get injured or die from NS & that some white horses get away from doing NS
    60% think it's worth it.

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