Lee Hsien Loong-A man of integrity? Time to show how honest you are, Lee Hsien Loong

PTADER · Sep 16, 2011

Lee Hsien Loong-A man of integrity? Time to show how honest you are, Lee Hsien Loong

Lee Hsien Loong made this promise (see below) in February 1991.

While he left himself enough wiggle room by using "seriously consider", he also said that Malaysia must have its reason for not abolishing the Act. Now that Malaysia has shown that it has no reason not to abolish the Act, Lee Hsien Loong has no choice but to keep his word and repeal the ISA despite the "seriously consider" wiggle room he tried to create for himself.

Op Spectrum was launched for Singaporean Catholics in 1988. Will Lee Hsien Loong, once again, play the racial and religious card and launch an Op Spectrum II for Singaporean Muslims to show Singaporeans why he is unable to keep his promise?

The Muslim community in Singapore must stay on its toes and not allow itself, like its Catholic brothers in 1988, to be used by Lee Hsien Loong and his PAP thugs for their dishonest and political shenanigans.

"SINGAPORE will seriously consider abolishing the Internal Security Act if Malaysia were to do so, said Deputy Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.

Brigadier-General (Res) Lee made this response to seven Malaysian journalists in his office recently when asked why the ISA was still needed in Singapore even though the Communist Party of Malaya no longer posed a threat.

He said that if Malaysia did not abolish the same Act, which provides for indefinite detention without trial, it must have its reasons..." " S'pore 'will consider scrapping ISA if KL does so" , 147th Prostitute Press, 03 February 1991

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/9/15/nation/20110915205714&sec=nation

"KUALA LUMPUR: Several draconian laws including the ISA and the three Emergency proclamations are to be repealed under major civil liberty reforms announced by Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak on Thursday.

The historic changes, he stressed, were to accommodate and realise a mature, modern and functioning democracy; to preserve public order; enhance civil liberty and maintain racial harmony...." PM announces repeal of ISA, three Emergency proclamations, The Star, 15 September 2011

PTADER · Sep 16, 2011

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S'pore 'will consider scrapping ISA if KL does so'
147th Prostitutes Press
3 February 1991

SINGAPORE will seriously consider abolishing the Internal Security Act if Malaysia were to do so, said Deputy Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.

Brigadier-General (Res) Lee made this response to seven Malaysian journalist s in his office recently when asked why the ISA was still needed in Singapore even though the Communist Party of Malaya no longer posed a threat.

He said that if Malaysia did not abolish the same Act, which provides for indefinite detention without trial, it must have its reasons.

In the interview published in the Nanyang Siang Pau, a Malaysian daily and Lianhe Zaobao yesterday, BG Lee said: "Communism may be dead, but it is not the only threat. We must still deal with other groups, like religious extremists - members of a Malay group were arrested under the Act for making preparations to commemorate the May 13th incident."

The May 13 riots in Malaysia in 1969 started soon after Alliance won a narrow victory in the general elections. A series of bloody clashes broke out between the Chinese and Malay communities, leading to a state of emergency.

He added: "There were also the dissidents and church members involved in a conspiracy to subvert Singapore's political and social order three years ago; another incident involved Francis Seow being exploited by the US. Had there been no ISA, these cases could never have been exposed. So, it is still better for us to retain the Act."

In an earlier meeting with the journalists, Law and Home Affairs Minister S. Jayakumar stressed the need to deal with racial and religious extremism, even though there was no threat from communism.

On the detention order on former Barisan Socialis MP Chia Thye Poh, he said that although Mr Chia is restricted to Sentosa, he is allowed to visit mainland Singapore during the day, but must return to the island in the evening.

Asked by Nanyang Siang Pau about the possibility of a complete withdrawal of the detention order, Prof Jayakumar said he did not rule this out. But, he said, even though Mr Chia has been conducting himself well on the island, he is still not willing to disavow communism.

kingrant · Sep 16, 2011

Re: Lee Hsien Loong-A man of integrity? Time to show how honest you are, Lee Hsien Lo

We can start a poll survey how many forummers think he is honest.

PTADER said:
Lee Hsien Loong-A man of integrity? Time to show how honest you are, Lee Hsien Loong

Mushroom · Sep 16, 2011

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Even if he don't abolish the act, how can you brand him as a man of without integrity

they will seriously "consider"

Maybe right before GE2016

rusty · Sep 16, 2011

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Since when this motherfucker has integrity when he started thinking how to fix the oppositions?

streetsmart73 · Sep 16, 2011

Re: Lee Hsien Loong-A man of integrity? Time to show how honest you are, Lee Hsien Lo

hi there

1. aiyoh!
2. is like asking some leopard to change its spots leh!
3. a liar is some liar, living or dead mah.
4. what change, what crying, what integrity, what honesty!

refulgence · Sep 16, 2011

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LHL is the antithesis of integrity.

scroobal · Sep 16, 2011

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He will conveniently cite Muslim fundamentalist as the new threat replacing the communist. The Marxist Conspiracy was a mix of communism and religion. This guy unlike the father is quite slippery. He wants to be popular yet his word cannot be taken seriously. Look at the PA affair, the GE apology etc. The old man at least never did hide or twist his words. He just went for the jugular each and every time.

Pek Kim Lui · Sep 16, 2011

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Loophole already there he only said "seriously consider" which does not mean a thing.

PTADER · Sep 16, 2011

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kingrant said:
We can start a poll survey how many forummers think he is honest.

Little Emperor Jr has confirmed that he is nothing but a dishonest liar.

The good thing to come out of this is that Singaporeans now know what this Little Emperor Jr means when he uses the term "seriously consider".

It means "seriously consider" can be completed in less than 24 hours without the need for Parliament being convened or without Parliament or his Cabinet debating the issue.

God help ths dauphin when Little Emperor Senior finally kicks the bucket.

PTADER · Sep 16, 2011

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scroobal said:
He will conveniently cite Muslim fundamentalist as the new threat replacing the communist. The Marxist Conspiracy was a mix of communism and religion. This guy unlike the father is quite slippery. He wants to be popular yet his word cannot be taken seriously. Look at the PA affair, the GE apology etc. The old man at least never did hide or twist his words. He just went for the jugular each and every time.

Agree about the ageing little emperor. He admitted being a bastard, loved being a bastard and made no apologies for being the bastard that he is. He did not bother to hide it. So at least everyone knew they were and are dealing with the real thing.

Not so his useless first born son. Both he and Wooden are the same. Both equally hopeless and useless. And both little bastards who try to conceal their duplicity and bastardry because they are desperate to be popular.

Wooden is understandable as he suffers from a deep-rooted inferiority complex stemming from his non-existent royal lineage and a recognition that while he has done well academically, he is actually quite stupid. Look at how he grabbed that meaningless "Emeritus Senior Minister" title with the gleeful joy of a dog being tossed a half-rotten bone or a retard being given some colourful marbles to play with.

Not too sure about Dauphin though.

kingrant · Sep 17, 2011

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I think little Emperor suffers from angst in trying to live up to his papa's image and expectations. While his pop had the gravitas to deal a crushing blow without mincing words and didnt care two hoots about popularity, this little Emperor forces himself to walk a tight rope between being popular and doing the right thing (by his pop's stds). As a coward, he'll die many deaths, GE2011 being one, and PE2011 being another. His approach so far seemed to be to inch towards the abyss incrementally, pushed as if by a clamouring crowd and lynch mob, and then when teetering on the edge, he then withdraws (probably sobbing uncontrollably) for fear of taking the plunge towards the unknown. He'll try again when the crowd's roar ascends again, and do this ad infinitum. Thus dying many deaths.

Also his habit of hiding behind the curtains and drapes when there's a crisis - floods, MSK, housing & transport woes etc, instead of coming out guns blazing, explaining things, or subduing the critics that his father was more prone to do. Really, looking back, emperor senior to me did much more and shouldered more of the cross to earn his present reputation and image (albeit with some loss of sheen). Father would have shuffled some Cabinet posts if only to appease some, or sacked them; but did something, he would. Not little prince. He let the Ministers concerned sink or swim, fearing to touch the venal lest he gets tainted. Only he doesnt know - he's sealing his own fate.

That's why I always feel he's better off as a professor teaching Computers at Oxford/Cambridge whatever, but never a politician, let alone a PM. A dud is a dud.

scroobal · Sep 17, 2011

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That is the best summation of this guy. Spot on.

kingrant said:
I think little Emperor suffers from angst in trying to live up to his papa's image and expectations. While his pop had the gravitas to deal a crushing blow without mincing words and didnt care two hoots about popularity, this little Emperor forces himself to walk a tight rope between being popular and doing the right thing (by his pop's stds). As a coward, he'll die many deaths, GE2011 being one, and PE2011 being another. His approach so far seemed to be to inch towards the abyss incrementally, pushed as if by a clamouring crowd and lynch mob, and then when teetering on the edge, he then withdraws (probably sobbing uncontrollably) for fear of taking the plunge towards the unknown. He'll try again when the crowd's roar ascends again, and do this ad infinitum. Thus dying many deaths.

Also his habit of hiding behind the curtains and drapes when there's a crisis - floods, MSK, housing & transport woes etc, instead of coming out guns blazing, explaining things, or subduing the critics that his father was more prone to do. Really, looking back, emperor senior to me did much more and shouldered more of the cross to earn his present reputation and image (albeit with some loss of sheen). Father would have shuffled some Cabinet posts if only to appease some, or sacked them; but did something, he would. Not little prince. He let the Ministers concerned sink or swim, fearing to touch the venal lest he gets tainted. Only he doesnt know - he's sealing his own fate.

That's why I always feel he's better off as a professor teaching Computers at Oxford/Cambridge whatever, but never a politician, let alone a PM. A dud is a dud.

kingrant · Sep 17, 2011

Re: Lee Hsien Loong-A man of integrity? Time to show how honest you are, Lee Hsien Lo

His father had said, "Better to be respected than loved"

For him, he'll go down in history as one who was neither hated nor loved, but despised.

What an anti-thesis, and an anti-climax to his parents supremo.

scroobal said:
That is the best summation of this guy. Spot on.

Windsor · Sep 17, 2011

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kingrant said:
I think little Emperor suffers from angst in trying to live up to his papa's image and expectations. While his pop had the gravitas to deal a crushing blow without mincing words and didnt care two hoots about popularity, this little Emperor forces himself to walk a tight rope between being popular and doing the right thing (by his pop's stds). As a coward, he'll die many deaths, GE2011 being one, and PE2011 being another. His approach so far seemed to be to inch towards the abyss incrementally, pushed as if by a clamouring crowd and lynch mob, and then when teetering on the edge, he then withdraws (probably sobbing uncontrollably) for fear of taking the plunge towards the unknown. He'll try again when the crowd's roar ascends again, and do this ad infinitum. Thus dying many deaths.

Also his habit of hiding behind the curtains and drapes when there's a crisis - floods, MSK, housing & transport woes etc, instead of coming out guns blazing, explaining things, or subduing the critics that his father was more prone to do. Really, looking back, emperor senior to me did much more and shouldered more of the cross to earn his present reputation and image (albeit with some loss of sheen). Father would have shuffled some Cabinet posts if only to appease some, or sacked them; but did something, he would. Not little prince. He let the Ministers concerned sink or swim, fearing to touch the venal lest he gets tainted. Only he doesnt know - he's sealing his own fate.

That's why I always feel he's better off as a professor teaching Computers at Oxford/Cambridge whatever, but never a politician, let alone a PM. A dud is a dud.

A true leader is born, never made. The whole f**king problem in Singapore is, we have some true leaders but they are not among the ruling party. Many more will come out of the woodwork if ISA is remove. The elites are afraid they will lose their stranglehold on their legitimacy to rule, and ISA is one weapon, perhaps their best weapon they can use when the push becomes a shove.

PTADER · Sep 17, 2011

Re: Lee Hsien Loong-A man of integrity? Time to show how honest you are, Lee Hsien Lo

kingrant said:
I think little Emperor suffers from angst in trying to live up to his papa's image and expectations. While his pop had the gravitas to deal a crushing blow without mincing words and didnt care two hoots about popularity, this little Emperor forces himself to walk a tight rope between being popular and doing the right thing (by his pop's stds). As a coward, he'll die many deaths, GE2011 being one, and PE2011 being another. His approach so far seemed to be to inch towards the abyss incrementally, pushed as if by a clamouring crowd and lynch mob, and then when teetering on the edge, he then withdraws (probably sobbing uncontrollably) for fear of taking the plunge towards the unknown. He'll try again when the crowd's roar ascends again, and do this ad infinitum. Thus dying many deaths.

Also his habit of hiding behind the curtains and drapes when there's a crisis - floods, MSK, housing & transport woes etc, instead of coming out guns blazing, explaining things, or subduing the critics that his father was more prone to do. Really, looking back, emperor senior to me did much more and shouldered more of the cross to earn his present reputation and image (albeit with some loss of sheen). Father would have shuffled some Cabinet posts if only to appease some, or sacked them; but did something, he would. Not little prince. He let the Ministers concerned sink or swim, fearing to touch the venal lest he gets tainted. Only he doesnt know - he's sealing his own fate.

That's why I always feel he's better off as a professor teaching Computers at Oxford/Cambridge whatever, but never a politician, let alone a PM. A dud is a dud.

Agree. This has to be it. Trying to live up to his father's expectation. And still trying to figure out how to best deal with the (most probably) unwelcomed heirloom of power and control of a country that has been handed to him as part of his inheritance. Utterly useless and good for nothing guy.

As much as I dislike his father, I have to acknowledge that he has at least done something unlike this useless and hopeless son of his.

PTADER · Sep 17, 2011

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Windsor said:
The elites are afraid they will lose their stranglehold on their legitimacy to rule, and ISA is one weapon, perhaps their best weapon they can use when the push becomes a shove.

Fully agree. Those who agree and actually support the ISA are so blinded with fear by the word "Muslims" that they fail to realise that the ISA is nothing but a political tool and they, for political expediency, can and where necessary, will be next to be detained under this Act even if they are not Muslims.

"Muslim fundamentalism" is simply the current excuse and flavour of the decade for the ISA just as "Communism", "Marxism" were past excuses and flavours of previous decades.

The largest Muslim country in the world (Indonesia) does not need the ISA to deal with "Muslim problems". It is dealt with by its courts. The country up north with a Muslim majority and substantial Chinese population and Indians has also repealed the ISA in acknowledgement that there is no requirement for a political tool to deal with what is effectively a criminal problem.

Unless he is able to convince anyone that his Cabinet and Parliament managed to carry out their "seriously consider" in less than 24 hours after the Malaysian announcement, one can only conclude that not only is this dauphin dishonest but that he is a two-bit liar as well.

This arsehole probably did not realise that his commitment made 20 years ago has not disappeared but can still be dug up.

jiakhongleow · Sep 17, 2011

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A good general needs a good army to fight a war. In politic a good leader needs voters to elect him into power. In Singapore, voters are far off the marks to know how to choose a good leader.

Wait, can only wait 人算不如天算 and 和久必分分久必和

Windsor said:
A true leader is born, never made. The whole f**king problem in Singapore is, we have some true leaders but they are not among the ruling party. Many more will come out of the woodwork if ISA is remove. The elites are afraid they will lose their stranglehold on their legitimacy to rule, and ISA is one weapon, perhaps their best weapon they can use when the push becomes a shove.

nextinfidel · Mar 16, 2012

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PTADER said:
Lee Hsien Loong-A man of integrity? Time to show how honest you are, Lee Hsien Loong

The Muslim community in Singapore must stay on its toes and not allow itself, like its Catholic brothers in 1988, to be used by Lee Hsien Loong and his PAP thugs for their dishonest and political shenanigans.

the muslims are not afraid of him. the muslims fight the jews and christians. they can easily incite a jihad against the PAP.

nextinfidel · Mar 16, 2012

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excellent!!!!

kingrant said:
I think little Emperor suffers from angst in trying to live up to his papa's image and expectations. While his pop had the gravitas to deal a crushing blow without mincing words and didnt care two hoots about popularity, this little Emperor forces himself to walk a tight rope between being popular and doing the right thing (by his pop's stds). As a coward, he'll die many deaths, GE2011 being one, and PE2011 being another. His approach so far seemed to be to inch towards the abyss incrementally, pushed as if by a clamouring crowd and lynch mob, and then when teetering on the edge, he then withdraws (probably sobbing uncontrollably) for fear of taking the plunge towards the unknown. He'll try again when the crowd's roar ascends again, and do this ad infinitum. Thus dying many deaths.

Also his habit of hiding behind the curtains and drapes when there's a crisis - floods, MSK, housing & transport woes etc, instead of coming out guns blazing, explaining things, or subduing the critics that his father was more prone to do. Really, looking back, emperor senior to me did much more and shouldered more of the cross to earn his present reputation and image (albeit with some loss of sheen). Father would have shuffled some Cabinet posts if only to appease some, or sacked them; but did something, he would. Not little prince. He let the Ministers concerned sink or swim, fearing to touch the venal lest he gets tainted. Only he doesnt know - he's sealing his own fate.

That's why I always feel he's better off as a professor teaching Computers at Oxford/Cambridge whatever, but never a politician, let alone a PM. A dud is a dud.

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