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Dear Lockeliberal, I had some degree of discomfort with the method which they used to right what they felt was wrong. Thus if, as you said, there were anger then in my opinion, it is justified. There are better methods. But not with their intention to correct what they felt is a wrong...

Scroobal, you refused to see the possibility that your reading has erred. You made your basis on the posts i made. And highlighted the particular points in these posts where you cite as evidence. I took out the entire posts and highlighted the main points. Read your highlighted points in the...

This is not an issue that Dr Thio and her team can win, regardless of the results.

Dear Londontrader, I thought I had made my position very clear. And addressed Scroobal's questions and accusations of me the best I can. But I am not interested in addressing further questions and/or accusations of me. What if I did. Will it change your mind? Kakowi

Thanks, i understand. I am not trying to change the context of her points. And in that vein, I realize i should not have use the word 'you' either, because i am not referring to her but using it in a general sense.

(1) I was trying to see if there is justification to this premise - that their initial involvement is to reduce the perceived pro-gay bias. If you do not use this premise as a starting point, then you will fall into what the others are already assuming...that they want to impose their...

Finally to address your current point. If you are not interested to listen, it is okay by me.

Scroobal, I will now quote the other post which you said is evidence I said that there is a gay front. Considering a possibility is not the same as making an assertion.

Scroobal, I quote the entire post that was referred by you as evidence. I highlight the context. Therefore I spoke about the conflicting points of views. One said yes and the other said no. But who is right? Did I say that the old Aware is a gay front? I did not say that. What I...

Scroobal, please show me the post where i said they are a gay front.

Oh, so you are being metaphorical :rolleyes:

That sounds like a fair statement to me.

Whether Aware is gay-neutral or gay-sympathizers need a real audit to flesh out the true picture. Assertions are just opinions which at this time are based not on facts but interpretations of facts. As for Thio and the rest, i went to her church's website to see if they are breathing fire and...

I agree wholeheartedly with this point

Where can one get a copy of what they teaches?

Dear Locke, I do not know the exact situation. But their description of the threats sounded very vivid in their minds. Moreover to threaten their children and post details of the schools they attended is a despicable act. To seek to ruin another's business and yet a third's job indicates a...

I hope that the police will investigate and punish the culprits. Threats against women and children are not to be taken lightly.

These are some of the areas i can think of if you want to argue on a secular basis: For rights of homosexuals to a good life freedom of choice Against unhealthy influence especially on the marginal homosexual not pro-family against procreation policies of the Government not in the natural...

Not really. It only means that we keep religion out of it. There will always be value systems as well as personal experiences. Both of these will influence our feelings regarding homosexuality. But the moment we bring in religion, we will hit the issue of my religion says can, why yours say...

That was the reason why I changed your original question, if you recall my original answer. Your original question presupposes that I am already aware that Aware is a gay front. I did not answer that question because the supposition is not correct. My position is that point 2.1 raises the...