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hi my friends, and i consider all of you friends despite our differing views. wishing you guys a wonderful 2012. Sorry i couldnt wish you last evening but some friends came over. Tried to escape to look at posts on the thread but wife didnt really approve. Chat with you guys again soon.

happy new year drifter.

i havent read much about the Church history to be honest, but yes i think you are correct that the Catholic church should be the authorative church. Many of the early breakups were because of slight differences and in the case of the Anglicans because of a marriage issue. Today there are many...

hi G& C, for points 1 & 2, Having the ability to make choice does not mean that Adam/Eve were imperfect. A robot with a well written programme is perfect even though it cannot choose to do anything different from its written programme. But being rigidly perfect is not what God wanted. He...

Hi fishbuff. I do appreciate that you dont condemn people who have different faiths and values. Like you i am also very annoyed with those who use religion and its pull to further their own ends. The 4 gospels were written by: Matthew : He was a tax collector who eventually became a disciple...

Hi i am chinese but i didnt follow any friend to church. I went myself. I didnt think Christianity was modern when i decided to be a christian. I had been going to church on and off for many many years , more than 20 in fact before i took it more seriously. There are some things people...

Hi NF, they shouldnt do violence and should be magnanimous. I wholeheartedly agree. But please remember that these are human beings who are fallible. People do not have to be perfect to come to God but it is the other way round. They come to God to be made better. During the process of the...

agreed brother Perspective. Satan and his agents acknowledge God and Jesus many times in the Bible. Satan even knows but twists Scripture as evidenced in the Gospel of Matthew where he tempted Jesus in the desert.

HI philistine, Men are of higher order and they should do both. Seek God and do good useful things too. The world would be better.

yes thats really bad behaviour and bad testimony. But in the end that is what happens when you look at men , they do all these and so they need forgiveness.

hey drifter. Please i do not take offence. I appreciate your honesty. I only ask that you keep expressing yourself like this , truthfully from the heart . No one should have a problem with that. Cheers.

ah drifter , nowhere in my thread did i ever say that. This is just sharing and discussion. Not debate or judgement. Here on this thread it is about what you or others or I believe and give our views , not who is right or wrong sir. :)

hi fishbuff this is exactly my point. I believe we all have to give an account of our lives once its over, but only to whom.Some believe Vishnu or Zeus or whoever but I have chosen to believe Jesus. Personally I think that Christianity has required me to have faith in certain things which i...

you view it as con but I view it as help so we are different.

in a sense yes. Man has the capability to be much better or much worse than animals. Man is much more intelligent than animals, being made so by God. If he uses this for good , then he is of course better than the animals in behaviour. If he chooses to let evil take hold of him, then this evil...

guys, my leave ends today. I have quite enjoyed chatting with you guys and i hope we continue to do so. We can continue this thread or maybe you guys would like to start another thread on something different to discuss and share. My response to your posts may not be so quick once work starts...

hi drifter. Thats where the faith kicks in. If we can see everything and understand then thats knowledge which is very good to have. But in this case it is not possible to understand all of God. Even the bible says that in Romans 1: 19 and Deut 29:29 which say that many things og God cannot be...

Hi . Sorry i didnt manage to answer this soon but was busy. Yes i must admit that if anybody wanted to pick on selected verses and situations then its very easy to point out all these things that you guys are highlighting. By the way, not only you have problems with this but many sincere...

er G and C , i dont think i will go through the bible here with anyone. I will just point to a few places here and there. The rest is up to you guys if you are really interested. It is not possible or desirable for me to prove anything here. Like i maintain , i share my views and you guys share...

hi, God didnt create religion. He created relationships. When Adam/Eve were created there was no religion. Much later on man in his desire to worship created religions. My thoughts are that man is created to worship. In general we all tend to worship or place a very high value on someone or...