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Is the son from the same church? I hope not. Is he demented too?

Porfirio Rubirosa, Just wanted to add--Singaporeans are not so much conservative as selfish and self-centred. They're not given to thinking about other people's needs and respecting other perspectives. That's why we have so little participation in civil society work. These parents who signed...

There is such an opt out form. There always was for the AWARE programme.

Yes, there are probably more conservatives than liberals here. Which was why the EGM win was such a covetted victory for liberals! We had to really work to get that attendance. It was a good experience for us--liberals recovering from their laid-back ways! However most conservatives don't...

As far as I recall, only one woman in the lot had ever done community work. They flashed their CVs at the EGM, and I remember another woman made that same observation. At the EGM, they said nothing they hadn't said before to the press about their plans. This was surprising because we...

I said Christian conservatives.

Just wanted to offer an alternative perspective on this. Firstly, Josie L and Co did not know of existence of instructor's guide until they got into the AWARE office. The IG is confidential. The IG does not contain the contents of the sex ed programme. Instructors don't go into schools and...

Hahaha! So you're running out of arguments and have to resort to personal attacks? Anti-discrimination of gays means one is pro-gay? Being pro-gay means one must be a closet gay? I guess people like you can't imagine supporting communities who are not like you and who don't serve your...

Yes, telling you to "Shut up and sit down" is very self-sacrificing and also the perfect method of governance. I hope I never do the same for my country. I wouldn't do anything to make my fellow-citizens ostracize me because that means that I have infringed on their rights and violated...

It's my own conclusion from scrutinising exco's statements, trying to figure out what plans they had for AWARE. They had no specific plans for anything. They couldn't even tell us how they would avoid discriminating against gays (as part of their CEDAW obligation). They hadn't thought through...

Agree with you that EGM would have had a different outcome if church statements hadn't come in over the last two days. Also agree that govt will start looking at the "wayward pipers". After all, TSM and Company's real enemy was the govt. They just didn't have the guts to tackle it directly...

Trust the homophobes here to see this as a victory for Thio Su Mien and company. All this proves is that the group should have brought their issues to the govt and not tried to steeplejack a NGO. Today, they acted against gays. Tomorrow they'll come for you. And then you won't be allowed to...

I am always amazed at how right-wing Christians choose which signs they want to interpret as messages from God. Maybe the taking back of AWARE by old guard was God's sign that it belonged in our hands.

But this time, no p 73 mention of the Feminist Mentor?

If we just let the matter rest, we would be covering up a lot of what was immensely wrong about this takeover, including its psychological and criminal aspects. Yes, we can understand that Josie Lau worked under difficult circumstances organising the EGM. But the nature of the high expenditure...

He also called us a "congregation" twice. Then he referred to us as an "assembly"! Stupid, stupid man.

One woman at the meeting raised issue of exco's discriminatory attitude towards gays. She said that as a Singapore woman, she did not want Dr. Thio as her feminist mentor!

I don't believe the letter is authentic because the use of language here is too good! Quite unlike the other emails that have come from these people.

Actually, they're quite well-covered by the Maintainence of Religious Harmony Act. This act says that they can't engage in subversive or political behaviour, "while, or under the guise of, propagating or practising any religious belief". This group is denying that they are propagating...

I didn't get that about the rainbow coalition! You think it was deliberate, and not a Freudian slip? Perhaps he intended to say that an organisation must relate to various constituences but was thinking about the gay issue, which then interfered with his choice of words? He has been known to...