• IP addresses are NOT logged in this forum so there's no point asking. Please note that this forum is full of homophobes, racists, lunatics, schizophrenics & absolute nut jobs with a smattering of geniuses, Chinese chauvinists, Moderate Muslims and last but not least a couple of "know-it-alls" constantly sprouting their dubious wisdom. If you believe that content generated by unsavory characters might cause you offense PLEASE LEAVE NOW! Sammyboy Admin and Staff are not responsible for your hurt feelings should you choose to read any of the content here.

    The OTHER forum is HERE so please stop asking.

China’s Navy Is Now Bigger Than the U.S. Navy

glockman

Old Fart
Asset
Joined
Sep 11, 2010
Messages
41,644
Points
113
Uncle Sam can suck the dragon's dick.:biggrin:

China’s Navy Is Now Bigger Than the U.S. Navy: That’s Not the Real Problem

By
Andrew Latham
Published
2 days ago
China PLAN Fleet of Aircraft Carriers

China PLAN Fleet of Aircraft Carriers. Image Credit: Creative Commons.

China Has Achieved A Historic Feat: The Biggest Navy on Earth. What Does That Mean For America?

Here’s a fact that does not exactly inspire confidence, at least until we really dig into what this may or may not mean: China’s navy is now larger than the U.S. Navy.

That point is repeated so often that it has begun to stand in for analysis.

It shouldn’t.

Fleet size, taken on its own, tells us very little about the question that actually matters: whether the United States can bring effective naval power to bear in the Western Pacific when it needs to.

China Aircraft Carrier Models.

China Aircraft Carrier Models. Image Credit: Creative Commons.

That is the issue on which any serious contingency in the region would turn. It is also one that cannot be answered simply by counting ships.

The Real Question

The problem is better understood as the interaction between two efforts that have been developing for some time.

On one side is China’s attempt to build a layered anti-access and area-denial (A2/AD) system capable of holding U.S. forces at risk as they approach the theater.

On the other hand, the United States seeks to degrade, disrupt, or work around that system to preserve freedom of action under contested conditions.

The balance between those efforts—not the number of hulls in each fleet—will determine whether American naval power can be applied in ways that matter.

From Beijing’s perspective, the logic is straightforward. The objective is not to defeat the U.S. Navy in a decisive battle of the sort envisioned by the classical naval strategist Alfred Thayer Mahan. Rather, it is to make effective intervention difficult, and to do so early.

If U.S. forces are slow getting into position, or get there but can’t operate at full effect, the political outcome of a crisis may already be set before American naval power can be brought to bear in any meaningful way.

The strategic goal, in other words, is Corbettian sea denial rather than Mahanian sea command.

China’s naval expansion has to be read in that light. It is not just a matter of adding ships. Long-range anti-ship ballistic and cruise missiles push the threat envelope outward from the mainland.

China Aircraft Carrier.

China Aircraft Carrier. Image Credit: YouTube Screenshot.

Surveillance and targeting systems work to track U.S. forces as they move into the region, sometimes with more persistence than is comfortable to assume away. The PLAN’s growing presence inside the contested zone adds weight to that system and makes maneuvering more difficult once forces are in range.

None of this is decisive on its own. Taken together, it is meant to slow, disrupt, and complicate U.S. operations at the point where timing matters most.

The U.S. Response

The United States has been adapting to this problem for years. It is evident it in the move toward distributed maritime operations, in the heavier reliance on submarines and long-range aviation, in the push toward stand-off strike, and in the effort to go after Chinese sensing and targeting.

The aim is straightforward enough: make U.S. forces harder to find and hit without giving up their ability to generate real effects. That is a significant shift in how the Navy expects to fight.

The question is whether it will be enough.

That question turns less on the existence of these capabilities than on how they function under pressure.

Concepts that appear coherent in planning documents have to work in an environment defined by persistent surveillance, contested logistics, and the risk of rapid escalation. The U.S. Navy must not only penetrate a defended theater.

Fujian Aircraft Carrier China

Fujian, China’s new aircraft carrier. Image Credit: Chinese Internet.

It has to remain there, generate effects, and sustain operations long enough to shape events.

What Actually Decides This

This is where the discussion often drifts. Arguments about missile inventories, shipbuilding output, or platform comparisons capture parts of the problem. They do not resolve it. The issue is whether U.S. forces can operate effectively within a contested zone during the period when outcomes are decided.

That can be put more directly. Can the United States disrupt the sensor networks that enable long-range targeting?

Can China maintain those networks when under pressure? At what distance are U.S. carriers pushed, and what does that do to sortie generation and strike reach?

Can logistics – fuel, munitions, maintenance – be sustained once both sides begin to interfere with them?

U.S. Navy Aircraft Carrier USS Ronald Reagan

Dec. 4, 2017) Sailors man the rails as the Navy’s forward-deployed aircraft carrier, USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76), arrives at Commander, Fleet Activities Yokosuka after a scheduled patrol. The Ronald Reagan Carrier Strike Group conducted 87 days of strike group operations in the Western Pacific, including the waters south of Japan, the Philippine Sea and the South China Sea. Ronald Reagan provides a combat-ready force, which protects and defends the collective maritime interests of the U.S. and its allies and partners in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Janweb B. Lagazo/Released)

These are operational questions. They are also the ones that matter.

If U.S. forces are delayed, displaced, or forced to operate at reduced effectiveness in the opening phase of a crisis, the political outcome may be shaped before American advantages can be fully applied.

That does not require Chinese naval dominance in any traditional sense. It requires only that the United States be unable to fight on terms that influence the early trajectory of the conflict.



The Bottom Line

There is no clean answer. The United States retains real advantages in experience, integration, and undersea warfare. China’s system is still evolving and carries its own vulnerabilities. It is unclear whether Beijing could sustain a denial effort over an extended period.

But that is not the standard that matters.

What matters is whether China can make U.S. access difficult enough, for long enough, to shape the early phase of a crisis. That is a lower bar than outright superiority. It may also be the one that counts.

So how much of a problem is China’s larger navy?

China Aircraft Carrier

China’s first aircraft carrier. Image Credit: Creative Commons.

It matters. It adds mass to a system designed to complicate U.S. intervention and increase the risks of operating inside the Western Pacific. But it does not decide the issue.

The real question is whether that system, taken as a whole, can prevent the United States from bringing effective naval power to bear when it matters most.

If it can, then fleet size will no longer be just a statistic. It will be part of the reason the United States fails to shape events because it cannot bring that power to bear on terms that matter.

MORE – The U.S. Air Force’s Big F-22 Raptor Stealth Fighter Mistake

MORE – The Navy’s Biggest Fear Came True: A Nuclear Aircraft Carrier Caught Fire

About the Author: Dr. Andrew Latham

Andrew Latham is a professor of international relations and political theory at Macalester College in Saint Paul, MN. You can follow him on X: @aakatham. He writes a daily column for 19FortyFive.com.

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2026/03...than-the-u-s-navy-thats-not-the-real-problem/
 
The US does not require weapon asset superiority to achieve victory, as demonstrated during the Cold War with the USSR, which ultimately led to its disintegration into modern-day Russia and several other sovereign states. It has many other way without firing a single bullet.(for China as well as Russia)
The US relies on military superiority to enforce submission in weaker nations, as seen in examples like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and many more weaker one.
 
In 2022, the US attempted to destabilize Russia once more during the Biden administration by utilizing Ukraine as a proxy. This approach involved employing tactics such as spreading colorized narratives and fostering internal unrest used previously to challenge the ruling party. The resulting conflict has led to heightened geopolitical tensions, economic sanctions, and a significant impact on global alliances. Despite efforts to mediate and resolve the situation, both sides remain entrenched in their positions, and the conflict persists to this day. Russia still tong because of one factor that was missing in the previous one
 
The US and Israel are indeed fucked to the maximum. With their combination of air and sea power, they can't even defeat Iran, not to even of regime change in Iran. Really no eyes to see.
 
if the Jews allow the US to win...................the US will beat China lah..................quality of the fighting men most important
 
if the Jews allow the US to win...................the US will beat China lah..................quality of the fighting men most important
Listen to this lecture. The zionist will take over the place vacated by US . You can save tine and listen to last 10 minutes.
Pax judaica tricked US into iran war and when it loses, Israel will rule the middle east and the new financial hub to replace new york will be Tel Aviv. It will be easy as new york basically controlled by jews anyway.

 
The US and Israel are indeed fucked to the maximum. With their combination of air and sea power, they can't even defeat Iran, not to even of regime change in Iran. Really no eyes to see.
According to reports, the US claims to have significantly obliterated Iran's naval and air forces, as well as its 90% of its missile launch capabilities. However, Iran disputes this, stating that despite the losses, they were still able to launch a series of attacks, spanning multiple waves(over 88 and more), over a period of at least 30 days. Having air and sea superiority as a global superpower does not necessarily guarantee any advantage in a war against Iran.
 
According to reports, the US claims to have significantly obliterated Iran's naval and air forces, as well as its 90% of its missile launch capabilities. However, Iran disputes this, stating that despite the losses, they were still able to launch a series of attacks, spanning multiple waves(over 88 and more), over a period of at least 30 days. Having air and sea superiority as a global superpower does not necessarily guarantee any advantage in a war against Iran.
The moment US soldiers land in iran, talibans, chechens will announce their participation in the war. Maybe baluchs too. Persian influence are very prominent in central Asia and pakistan
 
Pax Judaica coming.


Expect the Gulf countries to start redeeming their Bonds from the US Treasuries soon. First, they need the funds to rebuild their battered economies. Second, they don't really trust that the US will be able to protect them when required.

All these is because of fucking Trump's doing by listening to BiBi without a proper and detailed analysis. Why? Because he overestimated himself by thinking that the downfall of Iran can be as easy as toppling the Venezuelan regime which he had accomplished just barely a month before. He thinks he's the World's King and everyone must kowtow to him. Fuck Trump and Fuck Trump's clowns in his administration.
 
Last edited:
Many years ago Time Magazine ever reported that China's military can deploy 200,000,000 troops. That's more than all the soldiers of all the Allies and Axis Powers combined during World War 2.
 
Expect the Gulf countries to start redeeming their Bonds from the US Treasuries soon. First, they need the funds to rebuild their battered economies. Second, they don't really trust that the US will be able to protect them when required.

All these is because of fucking Trump's doing by listening to BiBi without a proper and detailed analysis. Why? Because he overestimated himself by thinking that the downfall of Iran can be as easy as toppling the Venezuelan regime which he had accomplished just barely a month before. He thinks he's the World's King and everyone must kowtow to him. Fuck Trump and Fuck Trump's clowns in his administration.
If US retreat from middle east, which seems like israeli plan and wanted, the arab countries from libya to syria will be under israeli umbrella.
Iraq, yemen and oman will most likely prefer iran.
Netanyahu alteady saying oil and gas pipes from the gulf can be channelled through israel to bypass hormuz to europe.
 
How I think this powerful nation will end the conflict with an underdog
While total victory or systemic collapse are the most definitive ends to a war, they are not the only ones. Powerful nations often avoid the appearance of 'surrender' in formal treaties, yet they regularly negotiate peace agreements to preserve their global standing and economic stability when a decisive military outcome becomes unattainable
 
Back
Top