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Anyone who believes a 60% ROI has to be a blithering idiot! :rolleyes:

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China tries to quell protests over failed investment scheme that took billions

24 Jan, 2018 7:27pm

NZ Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11981383

By: Joe McDonald

Chinese authorities are struggling to quell protests following the collapse of an investment scheme police say took as much as US$4.7 billion ($6.4b) from millions of depositors.

The implosion of Qianbao.com adds to a string of failures of Chinese financial ventures blamed on fraud or mismanagement that have prompted protests and complaints of official indifference to the suffering of small investors.

In a separate case, the founder of an online lender was sentenced in September to life in prison on charges he defrauded investors of US$7.7b.

Hundreds of people this week marched in freezing weather in the eastern city of Nanjing in Jiangsu province, where Qianbao was founded in 2012, shouting for the government to take action. A video shot by a demonstrator showed police carrying some people away while others shouted, "The Jiangsu government is beating people!"

"Don't organise and don't participate in illegal activities," the official Xinhua News Agency told readers in a report on Qianbao.com.

Nanjing police detained 11 people on charges of "disturbing public order" for setting up social media accounts to organise protests, the police department announced on its microblog account.

Depositors protested in Nanjing on December 12 after they lost access to online accounts, according to Zhan Jianfu, an employee of an auto dealership in the western city of Mianyang. He said he invested several hundred thousand yuan (tens of thousands of dollars) in Qianbao.

"We failed to get a response and some of the investors were intercepted and beaten up," Zhan said in a telephone interview.

Qianbao had as many as 200 million registered users, according to Chinese news reports. The founder, Zhang Xiaolei, turned himself in December 26 to Nanjing police.

Unlike some legitimate Chinese investment vehicles that spun out of control, police and news reports describe Qianbao as a brazenly fraudulent Ponzi scheme.

The company, which moved to Shanghai in 2015, promised returns of up to 60 per cent a year. Depositors were paid what Qianbao said were wages for simple tasks such as watching online ads.

Some of the 30 billion yuan ($6.4b) raised from depositors was used to buy businesses including a soccer team and a producer of glycerine, but only 20 of the more than 70 companies Qianbao said it owned really existed, according to a statement by Nanjing police. Profits were too small to pay such high returns, so Qianbao used money from new depositors.

The newspaper Huanqiu reported that in an interview Saturday while in police custody, Zhang "made it clear Qianbao's collapse was due to his own greed", but said reckless investors also had to accept the consequences.

"The two sides used each other in a frenzy of chasing fame and fortune," the newspaper wrote.

Photos released by Xinhua show the balding, bespectacled Zhang in handcuffs and a blue vest as he talked to investigators.

Ambitious investment companies have flourished as Chinese authorities allowed an informal finance industry to grow over the past decade to support entrepreneurs who can get scant credit from the state-owned banking system.

The national bank regulator estimated in 2015 the underground finance industry had grown to US$1.5 trillion.

The internet has helped them attract money from working class or rural depositors, many of them financial novices with little knowledge of the risks involved. Many lend to factories and retailers or invest in restaurants, car washes and other businesses, but inexperience and poor risk control means a downturn in business conditions can bankrupt them.

Beijing tightened control as defaults mounted following the 2008 financial crisis. Finance as a whole has come under tougher scrutiny after a 2015 plunge in stock prices led to accusations of insider trading and other offenses.

Lack of official supervision has allowed grifters to attract money from investors despite a steady drumbeat of news reports about failed and fraudulent ventures, said Lin Changyu, a lawyer in Shanghai for the Yingke Law Firm.

"In some cases, their advertisements were even shown on (state-run) China Central Television or celebrities were invited to promote the schemes," said Lin. "Secondly, people were in greedy pursuit of high returns from the scheme and often ignored the potential risks."

Investors in fraudulent schemes rarely get money back because Chinese courts are reluctant to accept a lawsuit against someone who has been convicted of a crime, said Lin. He said any remaining assets usually are confiscated.

The Nanjing police statement said authorities would "go all out to carry out the recovery work for the stolen goods and maximise the recovery of losses for fundraising participants."

In one of China's biggest financial scams, authorities say depositors lost 50 billion yuan in online lender Ezubo before it was seized by regulators in 2015. The founder, a high school dropout, and his brother were sentenced to life in prison in September and 24 other executives received terms of three to 15 years.

When Ezubo depositors vented their anger on social media and asked why authorities didn't act sooner, police phoned some to warn them against criticising the Communist Party online.

One depositor told The Associated Press police confiscated her computer and cell phone after she wrote online that she might file a petition with the national government.

Zhan, the Qianbao investor, complained authorities might have made losses worse.

"The police shut down some of the factories in which Qianbao invested, causing the workers to lose their jobs and leaving us unable to get our money back," said Zhan. To salvage what is left, he said, "we appeal for the release of Zhang Xiaolei".
 

greedy and cunning

Alfrescian
Loyal
there are definitive proof that sillypoore is full of morons, conmen and charlatans too.
1] the 70%
2] ter-musk-sick losses ,
abc learning ,
3] clown councils loss in structured products,
some 16 million dollars
one such product is DBS High Notes 5
during that time one of the clown council members
was a DBS Bank MD ( Global Financial Mkts)
4] Holland-Bukit Panjang Clown Council chairman Dr Teo Hold Pink had this message for the morons:
Be thankful that the funds have grown under the Town Council’s watch.
Told of the rumblings on the ground about the high-risk investment, Dr Teo said the potential $8-million loss
should be viewed in the context of the $24 million in investments generated over the past six years.
If the Town Council had invested all its funds in low risk investments, it would have earned only $5 million,
he said.
“They (residents) should thank the Clown Council for working hard to come up with a diversified portfolio
to generate income so that residents do not have to fork out more money.”

despite this revelation , those morons did not ask
why clown council is being run like a corporate business ?
why fee kept on increasing even if low risk investments make 5 million ?
5] $5.9 billion investment in Merrill Lynch resulted in a loss of more than $2 billion;
the shares plunged before the stock was delisted after Merrill’s purchase by Bank of America.
6] you need more proof ??
 

tanwahtiu

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Loyal
没事作 真多嘴 。

Talk nonsense lambast Chinese again.


Anyone who believes a 60% ROI has to be a blithering idiot! :rolleyes:

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China tries to quell protests over failed investment scheme that took billions

24 Jan, 2018 7:27pm

NZ Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11981383

By: Joe McDonald

Chinese authorities are struggling to quell protests following the collapse of an investment scheme police say took as much as US$4.7 billion ($6.4b) from millions of depositors.

The implosion of Qianbao.com adds to a string of failures of Chinese financial ventures blamed on fraud or mismanagement that have prompted protests and complaints of official indifference to the suffering of small investors.

In a separate case, the founder of an online lender was sentenced in September to life in prison on charges he defrauded investors of US$7.7b.

Hundreds of people this week marched in freezing weather in the eastern city of Nanjing in Jiangsu province, where Qianbao was founded in 2012, shouting for the government to take action. A video shot by a demonstrator showed police carrying some people away while others shouted, "The Jiangsu government is beating people!"

"Don't organise and don't participate in illegal activities," the official Xinhua News Agency told readers in a report on Qianbao.com.

Nanjing police detained 11 people on charges of "disturbing public order" for setting up social media accounts to organise protests, the police department announced on its microblog account.

Depositors protested in Nanjing on December 12 after they lost access to online accounts, according to Zhan Jianfu, an employee of an auto dealership in the western city of Mianyang. He said he invested several hundred thousand yuan (tens of thousands of dollars) in Qianbao.

"We failed to get a response and some of the investors were intercepted and beaten up," Zhan said in a telephone interview.

Qianbao had as many as 200 million registered users, according to Chinese news reports. The founder, Zhang Xiaolei, turned himself in December 26 to Nanjing police.

Unlike some legitimate Chinese investment vehicles that spun out of control, police and news reports describe Qianbao as a brazenly fraudulent Ponzi scheme.

The company, which moved to Shanghai in 2015, promised returns of up to 60 per cent a year. Depositors were paid what Qianbao said were wages for simple tasks such as watching online ads.

Some of the 30 billion yuan ($6.4b) raised from depositors was used to buy businesses including a soccer team and a producer of glycerine, but only 20 of the more than 70 companies Qianbao said it owned really existed, according to a statement by Nanjing police. Profits were too small to pay such high returns, so Qianbao used money from new depositors.

The newspaper Huanqiu reported that in an interview Saturday while in police custody, Zhang "made it clear Qianbao's collapse was due to his own greed", but said reckless investors also had to accept the consequences.

"The two sides used each other in a frenzy of chasing fame and fortune," the newspaper wrote.

Photos released by Xinhua show the balding, bespectacled Zhang in handcuffs and a blue vest as he talked to investigators.

Ambitious investment companies have flourished as Chinese authorities allowed an informal finance industry to grow over the past decade to support entrepreneurs who can get scant credit from the state-owned banking system.

The national bank regulator estimated in 2015 the underground finance industry had grown to US$1.5 trillion.

The internet has helped them attract money from working class or rural depositors, many of them financial novices with little knowledge of the risks involved. Many lend to factories and retailers or invest in restaurants, car washes and other businesses, but inexperience and poor risk control means a downturn in business conditions can bankrupt them.

Beijing tightened control as defaults mounted following the 2008 financial crisis. Finance as a whole has come under tougher scrutiny after a 2015 plunge in stock prices led to accusations of insider trading and other offenses.

Lack of official supervision has allowed grifters to attract money from investors despite a steady drumbeat of news reports about failed and fraudulent ventures, said Lin Changyu, a lawyer in Shanghai for the Yingke Law Firm.

"In some cases, their advertisements were even shown on (state-run) China Central Television or celebrities were invited to promote the schemes," said Lin. "Secondly, people were in greedy pursuit of high returns from the scheme and often ignored the potential risks."

Investors in fraudulent schemes rarely get money back because Chinese courts are reluctant to accept a lawsuit against someone who has been convicted of a crime, said Lin. He said any remaining assets usually are confiscated.

The Nanjing police statement said authorities would "go all out to carry out the recovery work for the stolen goods and maximise the recovery of losses for fundraising participants."

In one of China's biggest financial scams, authorities say depositors lost 50 billion yuan in online lender Ezubo before it was seized by regulators in 2015. The founder, a high school dropout, and his brother were sentenced to life in prison in September and 24 other executives received terms of three to 15 years.

When Ezubo depositors vented their anger on social media and asked why authorities didn't act sooner, police phoned some to warn them against criticising the Communist Party online.

One depositor told The Associated Press police confiscated her computer and cell phone after she wrote online that she might file a petition with the national government.

Zhan, the Qianbao investor, complained authorities might have made losses worse.

"The police shut down some of the factories in which Qianbao invested, causing the workers to lose their jobs and leaving us unable to get our money back," said Zhan. To salvage what is left, he said, "we appeal for the release of Zhang Xiaolei".
 

halsey02

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
there are definitive proof that sillypoore is full of morons, conmen and charlatans too.
1] the 70%
2] ter-musk-sick losses ,
abc learning ,
3] clown councils loss in structured products,
some 16 million dollars
one such product is DBS High Notes 5
during that time one of the clown council members
was a DBS Bank MD ( Global Financial Mkts)
4] Holland-Bukit Panjang Clown Council chairman Dr Teo Hold Pink had this message for the morons:
Be thankful that the funds have grown under the Town Council’s watch.
Told of the rumblings on the ground about the high-risk investment, Dr Teo said the potential $8-million loss
should be viewed in the context of the $24 million in investments generated over the past six years.
If the Town Council had invested all its funds in low risk investments, it would have earned only $5 million,
he said.
“They (residents) should thank the Clown Council for working hard to come up with a diversified portfolio
to generate income so that residents do not have to fork out more money.”

despite this revelation , those morons did not ask
why clown council is being run like a corporate business ?
why fee kept on increasing even if low risk investments make 5 million ?
5] $5.9 billion investment in Merrill Lynch resulted in a loss of more than $2 billion;
the shares plunged before the stock was delisted after Merrill’s purchase by Bank of America.
6] you need more proof ??

But the 70% & all the PAP porlumpars, Volunteers, 'gardeners'...will sing in unison, " your listings are FAKE NEWS". You think, they will believe what is the truth...if they had...heaven & earth will move...that is why PAP is still around..now they have a new spin, for GST increases is coming, erection on the way....PUNGGOL CYBER F#$^$k that will create, 20,000 + Chops!..opps! jobs!

70% will buy these real news...yours definitely FAKE.
 

borom

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
At least china took action-but how about the S chips crooks here.
How many was arrested?
 

kryonlight

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
The whole commie chink economy is a tera-ponzi fraud. Even Alibaba Jack Ma admits it!

My prediction: the coming collapse of China’s Ponzi scheme economy

So much production in industries like steel is based on demand for more production, but should that demand falter, the whole system could come crashing down

Friends who have a greater interest than I do in reading the tea leaves in Beijing tell me that the emphasis in relations with Hong Kong from now on will be on one country rather than two systems.

I think this phrases things the wrong way. The one country bit was never in issue.

What they actually mean to say is that Beijing’s system of state command of the economy will become dominant and Hong Kong’s more freewheeling system will fade away.

I don’t think it will happen.

In my view human society is so dynamic that no command system can last long in charge of an economy. Attempts at this particular form of hubris inevitably end in either war or financial crisis. For the Soviet Union it was financial crisis. I think the same fate awaits Beijing.

Consider crude steel production, a test-tube example of how command economies get it wrong. In the mainland this stood in June at an all time monthly record of 73 million tonnes, five times the total production in all of Europe.

Steel was recently targeted for a reduction in capacity but then a regime of easy money intended to help the industry overcome a difficult period of contraction instead stimulated production.

It has happened across the mainland’s rust belt industries.

Why is so much steel needed?

Simple. It is needed to build more steel mills so as to build more shipyards, ports, railways and bridges so that more ships can be built to carry more iron ore to more ports and thence along more rails and bridges to more steel mills so as to build more shipyards, ports, railways ...

What we have here, in short, is a giant Ponzi scheme. In a Ponzi scheme you pay out the winnings of the first entrants with what others later pay into it.

As long as it keeps growing everything is fine. When it stops growing it collapses.

In this case you justify production with demand based purely on more production. As long as you keep pushing production up everything looks fine. At its peak in 2014 China turned out 30 times more cement than the United States, and the latest production figures are only a smidgen less than 2014’s.

Command systems may be good at deciding where to direct economic effort in wartime but they are hopeless in peacetime at deciding when to stop and do something else.

They just keep going down the same old track and then what you get is economic cancer, uncontrollable growth.

You don’t see it right away. Any Ponzi scheme looks just fine as long as more people can be found to put their money in. But the end is inevitable and the longer it is delayed the more resounding the collapse.

It has so long been delayed in the mainland that, when the end finally comes, I believe more than half of the loans and advances of the financial system will prove irrecoverable, which would be very resounding indeed.

When will it happen?

I cannot tell you. No one has ever conducted so big a Ponzi scheme from so high a level of authority before. The closest comparison is the Soviet Union and its collapse was not only extraordinarily rapid but took the whole world by surprise.

I think the Chinese Communist Party is unlikely to survive this coming debacle although I do not think it will result in the break-up of China or replacement by a full democracy.

Political and economic affairs are more likely to resemble the Russian emergence from a command economy.

I am sure, however, that it will happen long before 2047. We will then make a less difficult transition to one country, one system across all of China, a system that will look more like present-day Hong Kong’s than present-day Beijing’s.
 

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China bagus...USA is fucked

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Artificial intelligence: China catching up to US in race for technological supremacy
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Artificial intelligence from a Chinese tech giant has defeated the country's best player of the board game Go, despite giving the grandmaster an advantage — matching and perhaps surpassing Google's efforts last year.

Google's AlphaGo AI beat Ke last yearjust months after defeating fellow grandmaster Lee Se-dol of South Korea — however AlphaGo has never competed against top-level players using a handicap.

AlphaGo has since been placed in retirement, with Google instead focusing its energies on its self-teaching AlphaGo Zero machine, which mastered the complex game in 40 days last year.

Tencent drew on research papers on AlphaGo Zero released publicly by Google to create its own champion, and its victory is a sign of just how seriously China is taking the race for AI supremacy.

AI development a national policy in China
"China has a declared ambition to equal the US in its AI capability by 2020 and to be number one in the world by 2030," said Professor Toby Walsh, a leading AI expert from the University of New South Wales.

Tencent's victory came shortly after fellow Chinese tech company Alibaba announced its team had developed an AI that it said, "[surpasses] humans in reading comprehension".

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Professor Walsh, who is also the author of the book 'It's Alive: Artificial Intelligence from the Logic Piano to Killer Robots', said it was significant the first two breakthroughs in the field this year have come from Chinese companies.

"China seems to be catching up, if not already leading the game," Professor Walsh said.

The Chinese Government's Next Generation Artificial Intelligence Development Plan, announced last year, aims to create a massive US$150 billion AI industry in China by 2030.

The country sees AI technology as crucial to its development agenda, and as a way of improving the lives of its people.

Relaxed attitudes to privacy in China and its enormous smartphone market — which generates a huge amount of data that can be used in AI research — also give the country a natural advantage in the sector.

China's ambitious strategy is just one of several across the world. The US, UK, France, UAE, Canada, South Korea and Japan also have their own plans.

Australia however does not have one yet.


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"I think we need some action here, really. I think the Government really needs a national plan," Professor Walsh said.

"And we do actually have a remarkably good research community. We have some of the most automated ports, some of the most automated mines in the world.

"We are actually already punching well above our weight in this field, and so we should take advantage of that."

China already leading in some areas
Professor Walsh said according to some measures, Chinese companies were already outperforming their rivals — but there was still room for improvement.

"In terms of the pure output, the number of papers and patents and so on, China is now actually ahead of the US," he said.

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"If you look more closely at the data, look at the quality of the work, look at things like the citations, you can still see that the US is still ahead of China.

"The quality of the work is perhaps a bit higher in the US."

However while China is interested in how the technology can be used to improve living standards, it remains clear-eyed about the potential military applications of AI.

The Government's strategy makes it clear information on technological developments is to be shared between civilian and military researchers.

Professor Walsh, who has been involved in efforts calling for a worldwide ban on so-called "killer robots", said global efforts to regulate AI would be necessary.

"We're not going to be able to stop the technology being developed, because actually it has very potentially good uses — the same technology that goes into your autonomous car will go into your autonomous drone," he said.

"We're not going to stop the development of the technology, but we can make sure it's used for good."

Translations by Bang Xiao and Jason Fang, Asia Pacific Newsroom.

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你好多嘴 和 笨蛋。

Anyone who believes a 60% ROI has to be a blithering idiot! :rolleyes:

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China tries to quell protests over failed investment scheme that took billions

24 Jan, 2018 7:27pm

NZ Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11981383

By: Joe McDonald

Chinese authorities are struggling to quell protests following the collapse of an investment scheme police say took as much as US$4.7 billion ($6.4b) from millions of depositors.

The implosion of Qianbao.com adds to a string of failures of Chinese financial ventures blamed on fraud or mismanagement that have prompted protests and complaints of official indifference to the suffering of small investors.

In a separate case, the founder of an online lender was sentenced in September to life in prison on charges he defrauded investors of US$7.7b.

Hundreds of people this week marched in freezing weather in the eastern city of Nanjing in Jiangsu province, where Qianbao was founded in 2012, shouting for the government to take action. A video shot by a demonstrator showed police carrying some people away while others shouted, "The Jiangsu government is beating people!"

"Don't organise and don't participate in illegal activities," the official Xinhua News Agency told readers in a report on Qianbao.com.

Nanjing police detained 11 people on charges of "disturbing public order" for setting up social media accounts to organise protests, the police department announced on its microblog account.

Depositors protested in Nanjing on December 12 after they lost access to online accounts, according to Zhan Jianfu, an employee of an auto dealership in the western city of Mianyang. He said he invested several hundred thousand yuan (tens of thousands of dollars) in Qianbao.

"We failed to get a response and some of the investors were intercepted and beaten up," Zhan said in a telephone interview.

Qianbao had as many as 200 million registered users, according to Chinese news reports. The founder, Zhang Xiaolei, turned himself in December 26 to Nanjing police.

Unlike some legitimate Chinese investment vehicles that spun out of control, police and news reports describe Qianbao as a brazenly fraudulent Ponzi scheme.

The company, which moved to Shanghai in 2015, promised returns of up to 60 per cent a year. Depositors were paid what Qianbao said were wages for simple tasks such as watching online ads.

Some of the 30 billion yuan ($6.4b) raised from depositors was used to buy businesses including a soccer team and a producer of glycerine, but only 20 of the more than 70 companies Qianbao said it owned really existed, according to a statement by Nanjing police. Profits were too small to pay such high returns, so Qianbao used money from new depositors.

The newspaper Huanqiu reported that in an interview Saturday while in police custody, Zhang "made it clear Qianbao's collapse was due to his own greed", but said reckless investors also had to accept the consequences.

"The two sides used each other in a frenzy of chasing fame and fortune," the newspaper wrote.

Photos released by Xinhua show the balding, bespectacled Zhang in handcuffs and a blue vest as he talked to investigators.

Ambitious investment companies have flourished as Chinese authorities allowed an informal finance industry to grow over the past decade to support entrepreneurs who can get scant credit from the state-owned banking system.

The national bank regulator estimated in 2015 the underground finance industry had grown to US$1.5 trillion.

The internet has helped them attract money from working class or rural depositors, many of them financial novices with little knowledge of the risks involved. Many lend to factories and retailers or invest in restaurants, car washes and other businesses, but inexperience and poor risk control means a downturn in business conditions can bankrupt them.

Beijing tightened control as defaults mounted following the 2008 financial crisis. Finance as a whole has come under tougher scrutiny after a 2015 plunge in stock prices led to accusations of insider trading and other offenses.

Lack of official supervision has allowed grifters to attract money from investors despite a steady drumbeat of news reports about failed and fraudulent ventures, said Lin Changyu, a lawyer in Shanghai for the Yingke Law Firm.

"In some cases, their advertisements were even shown on (state-run) China Central Television or celebrities were invited to promote the schemes," said Lin. "Secondly, people were in greedy pursuit of high returns from the scheme and often ignored the potential risks."

Investors in fraudulent schemes rarely get money back because Chinese courts are reluctant to accept a lawsuit against someone who has been convicted of a crime, said Lin. He said any remaining assets usually are confiscated.

The Nanjing police statement said authorities would "go all out to carry out the recovery work for the stolen goods and maximise the recovery of losses for fundraising participants."

In one of China's biggest financial scams, authorities say depositors lost 50 billion yuan in online lender Ezubo before it was seized by regulators in 2015. The founder, a high school dropout, and his brother were sentenced to life in prison in September and 24 other executives received terms of three to 15 years.

When Ezubo depositors vented their anger on social media and asked why authorities didn't act sooner, police phoned some to warn them against criticising the Communist Party online.

One depositor told The Associated Press police confiscated her computer and cell phone after she wrote online that she might file a petition with the national government.

Zhan, the Qianbao investor, complained authorities might have made losses worse.

"The police shut down some of the factories in which Qianbao invested, causing the workers to lose their jobs and leaving us unable to get our money back," said Zhan. To salvage what is left, he said, "we appeal for the release of Zhang Xiaolei".
 
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