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Shengwu hires Vergis to defend him against Loony Uncle's charges

nayr69sg

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Papsmear your analysis good.

AG chamber can offer deal. Shengwu might spill beans. No good to Loong.

Sounds like a deal to negotiate. Oh wait you said no fucking negotiation.....
 

Froggy

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Lawyer Abraham Vergis's mkt rate how much.??

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I also wonder but dare not ask :p
 

scroobal

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I wasn’t aware it was a criminal case. I thought it was private prosecution initiated by his personal lawyer Lucien Wong. How can Lucien Wong initiate a criminal case? I don’t get it.

Where is this going, O Brilliant one? There is no fucking negotiation here and this is not an arbitration case. Its a criminal case, he wasn't hired to negotiate or arbitrate this one. If AG chambers charge you, u have to fight it or plead guilty. Simi arbitrate and negotiate? Can bargain one ah? The best that the AG Chambers can do is offer Shengwu a deal. They cannot dismiss charges now, or it will look like nepotism and it will make Gay Loong lose face. They have to proceed with the charge. The only result they want is that he plead guilty and they offer him a fine or something like that, in some manner of plea bargain. But he will not do that, as he rightly knows he did nothing wrong. If they go to court, it will be long and dragged out in the public and god know what skeleton Shengwu will expose. and that's definitely not what they want either.
 

scroobal

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Papsmearer is right. For criminal cases we follow the Fijian Penal Code. You cannot make representation to chambers so no negotiation. AG also cannot offer a deal as that means an avenue to negotiate. Thus his point about no negotiation.

Papsmear your analysis good.

AG chamber can offer deal. Shengwu might spill beans. No good to Loong.

Sounds like a deal to negotiate. Oh wait you said no fucking negotiation.....
 

Bonut

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I also wonder but dare not ask :p

Why dare not ask ? Scared people suan siao you meh ?

Just like people who replied "there is this thing called Google" etc., statements like "If you have to ask you can't afford it" simply means the people who made such statements ALSO DON'T KNOW the answer, so they change the subject of your question from "price" to "affordability". Actually they are also waiting for the answer, but not humble enough to ask.
 

Papsmearer

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Shengwu and his camp says likely a long drawn out affair, in an interview for Reuters. But Screwedball says it will be an arbitration and negotiation. Of course, Shengwu must be wrong, and Screwedballs must be right. I better tell Shengwu he is wrong, poor guy does not know it yet.

Singapore founder's grandson names lawyer in contempt case
Fathin Ungku, Tim McLaughlin
3 Min Read

SINGAPORE/CAMBRIDGE, Massachusetts (Reuters) - A nephew of Singapore’s prime minister said a contempt of court proceeding against him, stemming from comments he made about the country’s legal system, was “meritless” and he had appointed a lawyer to represent him.

The Singapore attorney-general’s office started court proceedings in August against Li Shengwu over a Facebook post in which he said the Singapore government is “very litigious and has a pliant court system.”

Li, who is a grandson of the city state’s founding leader Lee Kuan Yew, said at the weekend he had retained Singapore attorney Abraham Vergis, of the firm Providence Law Asia, to represent him.

“It’s sad that the Singapore government continues to press these meritless charges against me,” Li, a U.S.-based academic, told Reuters.

Vergis, a veteran litigation lawyer, appeared at the Singapore High Court on Monday in a closed-door conference on the case.

He said the case was likely to be a drawn out process and when asked how Li planned to proceed, Vergis told Reuters: “It is premature to be talking about that.”

Lawyer Francis Ng, the senior state counsel from the attorney general’s chambers, declined to comment.

Singapore parliament last year passed a bill that made it punishable by up to three years in prison or a fine of up to S$100,000 (US$73,530) for anyone who alleges the country’s judiciary is bias.

Ng has previously described Li’s Facebook post as “an egregious and baseless attack” on the Singapore legal system.

On Aug. 4, Li said he did not mean to attack the Singapore judiciary and he had amended the “private” post to avoid misunderstanding, though he hasn’t disclosed what changes he made.

Li told Reuters in separate comments in an interview in August that he had left the country in July after friends expressed concerns he might be detained by the authorities.

In the interview, Li did not identify the friends or specify the information they had. Reuters has no independent evidence that Li faced any threats to his safety.

“In Singapore, it is possible that one can be detained and interrogated for some time without a lawyer,” Li said at the time.

The case relates to a feud between Lee Kuan Yew’s three children over the fate of Lee’s house, which earlier this year gripped the nation not accustomed to such disputes erupting into public view.

Lee Hsien Yang and sister Lee Wei Ling accused their elder brother, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, of abusing power to try to save the house as a historic monument in defiance of their father’s wishes.

The premier called a special sitting of parliament to “clear the air” over the issue and afterwards said the debate had failed to find any substantial evidence of abuse of power.

Lee Kuan Yew, who died in 2015 at the age of 91, had lived in the house for most of his life.
 

CoffeeAhSoh

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Why am i not shocked that his significant event is quietly ignored by the prostitute press? Shengwu is not backing down and Abraham does not come cheap. Which ever DPP Lucien wants to send against Abraham will be eaten alive by him. The kangaroo judge will have to blatantly save Lucien from this shit mess and return a guilty verdict against all arguments and evidence to the contrary. Lawyers are not afraid to take on Gay Loong and his porlumpars anymore?

Li Shengwu, grandson of Singapore’s founder, appoints lawyer to fight contempt charge
The case relates to a feud between Lee Kuan Yew’s three children over the fate of Lee’s house, which earlier this year gripped the nation not accustomed to such disputes erupting into public view
A nephew of Singapore’s prime minister said a contempt of court proceeding against him, stemming from comments he made about the country’s legal system, was “meritless” and he had appointed a lawyer to represent him.

The Singapore attorney general’s office started court proceedings in August against Li Shengwu over a Facebook post in which he said the Singapore government is “very litigious and has a pliant court system”.

Li, who is a grandson of the city state’s founding leader Lee Kuan Yew, said at the weekend he had retained Singapore lawyer Abraham Vergis, of the firm Providence Law Asia, to represent him.

“It’s sad that the Singapore government continues to press these meritless charges against me,” said Li, a US-based academic.

Vergis, a veteran litigation lawyer, appeared at the Singapore High Court on Monday in a closed-door conference on the case.

It’s sad that the Singapore government continues to press these meritless charges against me
Li Shengwu
He said the case was likely to be a drawn out process and when asked how Li planned to proceed, Vergis said: “It is premature to be talking about that.”

Lawyer Francis Ng, the senior state counsel from the attorney general’s chambers, declined to comment.

Singapore parliament last year passed a bill that made it punishable by up to three years in prison or a fine of up to S$100,000 (US$73,530) for anyone who alleges the country’s judiciary is bias.

Ng has previously described Li’s Facebook post as “an egregious and baseless attack” on the Singapore legal system.

On August 4, Li said he did not mean to attack the Singapore judiciary and he had amended the “private” post to avoid misunderstanding, though he hasn’t disclosed what changes he made.

Li said in separate comments in an interview in August that he had left the country in July after friends expressed concerns he might be detained by the authorities.

In the interview, Li did not identify the friends or specify the information they had.

“In Singapore, it is possible that one can be detained and interrogated for some time without a lawyer,” Li said at the time.

The case relates to a feud between Lee Kuan Yew’s three children over the fate of Lee’s house, which earlier this year gripped the nation not accustomed to such disputes erupting into public view.

Lee Hsien Yang and sister Lee Wei Ling accused their elder brother, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, of abusing power to try to save the house as a historic monument in defiance of their father’s wishes.

The premier called a special sitting of parliament to “clear the air” over the issue and afterwards said the debate had failed to find any substantial evidence of abuse of power.

Lee Kuan Yew, who died in 2015 at the age of 91, had lived in the house for most of his life.

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its going to cost the Govt coffer too.

its not going cheap this case may drag on for 2 to 3 years ... Ag' s will likely run into millions too :


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Lawyer Francis Ng, the senior state counsel from the attorney general’s chambers, declined to comment.


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this lawyer Francis Ng another Top Gun ??? :(
 

Bonut

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unlike in europe etc...legal fees here are selddom printed.

only that sc Alvin Yeo lawyer case remembrr about s$100k per hour :biggrin:

This Ah Neh does pro bono. Lawyers who do pro bono mostly are gian png. No walk-in, no referrals, so must go "factory outlet" to find cases.
 

CoffeeAhSoh

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AG's sc Francis Ng vs Abraham Vergis...


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SINGAPORE - Three lawyers were appointed senior counsel on Monday (Jan 9), joining 77 others who have been called to the top ranks of Singapore's lawyers. They are Mr Edmund Leow Hock Meng, 54, Mr Kwek Mean Luck, 43, and Mr Francis Ng Yong Kiat, 41, whose appointments were announced by Chief Justice Sundaresh Menon at the opening of the Legal Year 2017. The accolade - Singapore's equivalent to Britain's Queen's Counsel - is given to outstanding lawyers who have extensive knowledge of the law and the highest professional standing.
 

Bonut

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AG's sc Francis Ng vs Abraham Vergis...

SINGAPORE - Three lawyers were appointed senior counsel on Monday (Jan 9), joining 77 others who have been called to the top ranks of Singapore's lawyers. They are Mr Edmund Leow Hock Meng, 54, Mr Kwek Mean Luck, 43, and Mr Francis Ng Yong Kiat, 41, whose appointments were announced by Chief Justice Sundaresh Menon at the opening of the Legal Year 2017. The accolade - Singapore's equivalent to Britain's Queen's Counsel - is given to outstanding lawyers who have extensive knowledge of the law and the highest professional standing.

A bit like Mediacorp Star Awards - Ownself Award Ownself.
 

CoffeeAhSoh

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SC Francis Ng , AGC Dy Chief Prosecutor will win...


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Mr Ng, who is the deputy chief prosecutor of the AGC, previously headed the Legal Policy Division at the Ministry of Law. Outside of work, the former national kayaker is also the vice-president of the Singapore Canoe Federation. He is also the commanding officer of an infantry battalion. "The appointment of senior counsel is something that young, aspiring litigators should look towards," said Mr Ng, who is married with four children aged two to 11. "With hard work and dedicated practice, it is something within the realms of what they can achieve.
 

tanwahtiu

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With this case hang over his head his career and name also gone leow.

One thing for sure is gone next year for old uncle and auntie loners...

 

jw5

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Don't worry, the cost will be covered by upcoming increase in gst. :biggrin:

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its going to cost the Govt coffer too.

its not going cheap this case may drag on for 2 to 3 years ... Ag' s will likely run into millions too :


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Lawyer Francis Ng, the senior state counsel from the attorney general’s chambers, declined to comment.


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this lawyer Francis Ng another Top Gun ??? :(
 

CoffeeAhSoh

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sad case ...:(


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“It’s sad that the Singapore government continues to press these meritless charges against me,” Li, a U.S.-based academic, told Reuters.
 

creampie

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You must be joking. this fella and kwek mean luck only got their SC appointments for their loyal years of service.


AG's sc Francis Ng vs Abraham Vergis...


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SINGAPORE - Three lawyers were appointed senior counsel on Monday (Jan 9), joining 77 others who have been called to the top ranks of Singapore's lawyers. They are Mr Edmund Leow Hock Meng, 54, Mr Kwek Mean Luck, 43, and Mr Francis Ng Yong Kiat, 41, whose appointments were announced by Chief Justice Sundaresh Menon at the opening of the Legal Year 2017. The accolade - Singapore's equivalent to Britain's Queen's Counsel - is given to outstanding lawyers who have extensive knowledge of the law and the highest professional standing.
 

KuanTi01

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Abraham Vergis is heads and shoulders above Francis Ng and he is not a SC. Watch the action! Yea let's just simply 坐山观虎斗. Everyone can be the Judge in the court of public opinion!
 
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