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Chitchat PE Deposit-Loser Boasts He Has Enough Common Sense To Advise SMRT On Signal Systems

JohnTan

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SMRT faced a lot of problems in introducing a new signalling system. It has led to many breakdowns and one serious collision due to "signal problems".

I asked the question - what are the signal problems. A few people explained that SMRT is trying to run two signal systems. The train has to change from one signal system to another system on the journey.

This is a bad way to implement the change. If I were consulted, I would never recommend this approach. It is based on my "common sense".

The experts may give some "technical reasons" for adopting their approach. They will find it very hard to convince me.

What is my approach?

Take a look at Google trying to implement a driverless car on the road. The technical problems that Google has to overcome is porbably ten times more complex that a driverless train running on a track.

How does Google approach it?

They develop a driverless car using sensors.
The sensor will look for other driverless car on the road, but will also allow for manually driven cars and pedestrians and even dogs running on the road.

The driverless cars detect these objects and other driverless cars on the road.

If one lane contains only driverless cars, it can give the instruction for all the cars to travel at higher speed. If any driverless car has to slow down to change lane or avoid a "foreign object", the other cars get the signal and will slow down together.

The same approach can be used for the train system. It should cater for driverless train and mannually driven trains. It should also cater for people or dogs falling on to the track.

If all the trains are driverless, it is possible to get them to travel at higher speed. If some trains are manually driven, they will be travelling at a slower speed. The other trains will adjust their speed accordingly.

All the trains need to have sensors to detech "foreign objects" and to transmit their speed to the control room. The control room can then set the maximum speed that the train can travel.

If there is a stationary object ahead, the train has to stop. The speed of braking depends on the distance.

Under this concept, there is no need for any train to "change from one signal system to another system".

The AI in each train will take the data from its sensors, e.g. to look at "foreign objects" and use it to slow down when necessary. The speed of the train is sent to the control room.

The control room knows the speed of all the trains on the tracks and can indicate the speed that the train can travel. This speed has to be reduced, if necessary, based on any obstructions that the actual train may sense on the road.

The ideal operating condition is that all the trains on the line are driverless and there is no foreign object. The trains can all travel fast and achieve the goal of 1 train arriving every 2 minutes at the station. We will reach this stage eventually when all the trains have been converted to the driverless system.

Under my system, I would also expert some other sensors at the station and on the tracks to send signals of foreign objects on the track and whether these objects are stationary or moving. These signals can be processed in the control algorithm.

I may not be an expert in train control systems, but I have some "common sense". If any experts wishes to add their views to help the discussion, they are welcomed to do so.

Tan Kin Lian

https://www.facebook.com/kinlian/posts/1731857430220235
 

sweetiepie

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my uncle say his boasting lose to tan. he also say signalling logic can be easily done by any ITE students but the upper caste one.
 

Seee3

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Hope this guy is not serious in what he is proposing. If that is the way he thinks how train system can work and he is an ex-CEO, this place has really been surviving on miracle. No wonder the technical experts involved can't even give proper instruction to the drivers.
 

sweetiepie

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my uncle say if within smrt they still discussing about signalling logic after running for years he don't know what to say liao.
 

borom

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TKL topped his primary school for most years and won prizes almost every year at RI and coming in second at the School Certificate examinations
https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2011/06/21/a-look-at-tan-kin-lian/

So by any measure TKL is not stupid and he is simply trying to express his common sense /laymen understanding of how things should be.
At least he tries to offer a solution/suggestion rather than saying things like " already considered Singapore's transport system a "first-class" one, even if it could be "even better". Highest paid in the world (for his job) talking like that
 

Rogue Trader

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every body and his dog has an opinion on what's wrong with the Mrt system and how to solve it.

Without knowing any technical details all this talk is just hot air
 

chonburifc

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Well he is right. Sinkies likes to complicate simple things. In short, he is saying people with no common sense hire a no common sense CEO to manage a company of no common sense staff to provide service for no common sense commuters.
 

kkbutterfly

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these people are stupids.
The signaling system is not designed by our local engineers or ST. It is designed by reputable overseas company which specialist in this area.
All newly designed system will have thousands of bugs to eliminate untill it is almost 100% safe. one or two grey area might be overlook.
 

scroobal

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Thales is installing the same model moving block system that is found all around the world from Canada, London, Tube, Malaysia, China, US etc. None of the trains were stopped to be switched to the new system. The teams that is installing it from Canadian arm of the business where Toronto subway had it first in the 80s.

Thales already has stated their system is not at fault and the thing that happened in Joo Koon did not occur at anywhere. SMRT corrected the software glitch explanation given by Khaw after Thales comment by stating that the anti-collision feature was "inadvertently" disabled suggesting human error. Even if the whole system has been switched, inadequately trained staff will commit errors.

This is the same Mr Common Sense that attended the funeral services of Singapore's second longest detainee with his wife and campaign team, all wearing his Campaign t-shirt disrespecting the dead and the family. This is the same Mr Common Sense who recommended a lawyer to all those lost their investment due to the sub prime crisis only to have their fees swindled and the lawyer disbarred for life. This is same Mr Common Sense who ran an online poll on his blog and respondents voted overwhelming for him with Tan Cheng Bock a distance second. Only to lose his deposit.

He had only one job - NTUC Income Insurance CEO. He had a captive market - union workers, NTUC comfort taxis and agents selling insurance was allowed into army camps etc. Finally he was replaced by one of the directors that he brought on board.
 

nayr69sg

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Common sense. Haha ok lah use your common sense to treat cancer and appendicitis ok?

Typical sinkie idiot.
 

JohnTan

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This is the same Mr Common Sense who recommended a lawyer to all those lost their investment due to the sub prime crisis only to have their fees swindled and the lawyer disbarred for life.

I was not aware this happened. This is most interesting. Was it in the newspaper? I must have missed it.
 

Scrooball (clone)

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Suddenly everyone becomes an expert in railway systems. Haha.... Tan Kin Lian is one of those old-timers who got lucky and managed to rise up the ranks in an old-dated company years ago.
 

scroobal

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Google Leonard Loo, holds the record for most client complaints rlplus even went to jail. He accompanied Mr Common Sense to Hong Lim and was introduced as the lawyer to take on their cause.


I was not aware this happened. This is most interesting. Was it in the newspaper? I must have missed it.
 

pakchewcheng

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Anyone, even his dog, will know as much if not more than the paper generals who do not even have a fucking clue what is going on other than the size of their paychecks.
 

bobby

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Happening now: Train fault on East West Line, additional 10 minutes' travelling time.

An announcement heard by an ST reporter at the Clementi MRT station advised commuters to add 10 minutes to their travelling time. The affected stretch is between Pasir Ris and Paya Lebar due to a train fault at Bedok station.
 

JohnTan

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Happening now: Train fault on East West Line, additional 10 minutes' travelling time.

An announcement heard by an ST reporter at the Clementi MRT station advised commuters to add 10 minutes to their travelling time. The affected stretch is between Pasir Ris and Paya Lebar due to a train fault at Bedok station.

It's deep in the oppie ward. Sabotage by an radical oppie supporter?
 
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