Lawrence Wong on August update of Covid measures : "If you want to go out to dine in a restaurant, you now have to be fully vaccinated"

[Balls2U]

Exactly right. That is why those who can vaccinate and choose not to should pay out of their own pocket because they are likely to get hospitalised with serious illness and clog up healthcare with higher costs involved. Who's to pay for their stupidity? Fair for taxpayers like me to pay for their stupid reasons for not taking the vaccines?

Some more, the unvaccinated are usually those who have low IQ and uneducated. They can't pay $10, let alone $100000.

When the unvaccinated gets infected and hospitalised, they can't at that point in time deny them medical treatment unless they pay upfront first. That'll be immoral which our Pappy govt will not do. The bill will only come after that. Just don't pay. What the fuck can they do? Sue you and make you a bankrupt? Go ahead.

 

[mojito]

Exactly right. That is why those who can vaccinate and choose not to should pay out of their own pocket because they are likely to get hospitalised with serious illness and clog up healthcare with higher costs involved. Who's to pay for their stupidity? Fair for taxpayers like me to pay for their stupid reasons for not taking the vaccines?

Some more, the unvaccinated are usually those who have low IQ and uneducated. They can't pay $10, let alone $100000.

Yaya you vaxxers later you blood clop and hard attack don't go hospital waste taxpayer moneys lah. Take two panadol sleep can lah. Fact that you think u deserve sub seedy for getting sick visit KTV tell us who is wasting tax payer moneys. Why pay fine for getting covid instead huh? Chey!

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

It doesn't mean that if you're vaccinated, you cannot be infected and spread Covid 19. That is the bone of contention of the French demonstrators.

Misses the bigger picture...

Vaccine never claimed to eradicate Covid infection...

But what it does do is that it reduces the risk of serious illness and death to a very low level...thereby allowing the community to return to living a 'normal' life under Covid conditions...

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Not that simple. Discrimination in any form will not do any good to society and the nation. Either you make it mandatory and bear future cost related to unknown effects from mRna type vaccines or you allow the public to decide other vaccines as and when they become available. Anything in between will only lead to confusion.

https://www.bioethics-singapore.gov...for-human-biomedical-research-report-only.pdf

The only confusion going around is the misinformation and disinformation being spread by the anti vaxxers....and I am just referring to the mrna vaccines...

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

No use explaining to the old fool. He "had his shot" so is better than every body, more deserving of love from the PAP. We are unworthy, less than human for not choosing to vaxx.

The reality is that the anti vaxxers are holding the rest of the community to hostage...just look at the sudden return to P2(HA)....if those obstinate over 70s who refused vaccination just took the jab instead...we could have started reopening up by now with a U turn highly unlikely unless a new infectious and virulent variant which cannot be controlled by the vaccine arises...

The economic and social devastation caused by Covid is sadly obvious...vaccination seems to be the answer where the benefits far far outweigh the risks....

 

[Gallego99]

Not all unvaccinated will require hospitalization or fall to serious illness (perhaps only the older folks). Have you even considered the fact that the bulk of unvaccinated (for one reason or another) are looking out for a safer non-mRna option-Sinovac or Novavax.

'Fair for taxpayers like me to pay for their stupid reasons for not taking the vaccines?'
Can the non-vaxxers pay no tax then?

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delta-variant-pfizer-covid-vaccine-39percent-effective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html?&qsearchterm=Israeli studies on delta variant

Just be sure to mark on your calendar for booster shots 1,2,3.............

So what is the problem with regular booster jabs?

We need to return to living a normal life under Covid conditions asap...

We cannot continue to live in this current uncertainty...it is just not sustainable...both on the economics side and social side...

 

[Gallego99]

But what it does do is that it reduces the risk of serious illness and death to a very low level...thereby allowing the community to return to living a 'normal' life under Covid conditions...

It's a known fact. Where the French is concerned, there's more to it than meets the eye.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Exactly right. That is why those who can vaccinate and choose not to should pay out of their own pocket because they are likely to get hospitalised with serious illness and clog up healthcare with higher costs involved. Who's to pay for their stupidity? Fair for taxpayers like me to pay for their stupid reasons for not taking the vaccines?

Some more, the unvaccinated are usually those who have low IQ and uneducated. They can't pay $10, let alone $100000.

Local stats thus far are pretty clear...there have been 0 patients of fully vaccinated infected cases who have had serious illness like requiring oxygen and ICU, and who have died...

 

[Gallego99]

So what is the problem with regular booster jabs?

We need to return to living a normal life under Covid conditions asap...

We cannot continue to live in this current uncertainty...it is just not sustainable...both on the economics side and social side...

The booster jabs has more 'serious' side effects (that is according to recent reports). According to Prof Paul Thambyah, he doesn't think a booster shot is necessary.

 

[dredd]

Not all unvaccinated will require hospitalization or fall to serious illness (perhaps only the older folks). Have you even considered the fact that the bulk of unvaccinated (for one reason or another) are looking out for a safer non-mRna option-Sinovac or Novavax.

'Fair for taxpayers like me to pay for their stupid reasons for not taking the vaccines?'
Can the non-vaxxers pay no tax then?

Au contraire.. Antivaxxers should pay more tax because they are more likely to require hospital care incurring high costs, clog up healthcare and be a burden to society with their stupidity. Otherwise just pay from their own pocket. It's a fair call.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Not all unvaccinated will require hospitalization or fall to serious illness (perhaps only the older folks). Have you even considered the fact that the bulk of unvaccinated (for one reason or another) are looking out for a safer non-mRna option-Sinovac or Novavax.

'Fair for taxpayers like me to pay for their stupid reasons for not taking the vaccines?'
Can the non-vaxxers pay no tax then?

Since when is the mrna vaccine considered less safe?....

And please don't show me misinformation and disinformation coming from the anti vaxxers...

Show me solid objective medical science data...

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

It's a known fact. Where the French is concerned, there's more to it than meets the eye.

BS...this is all misinformation and disinformation coming from the anti vaxxers...

Show me solid objective medical science data...

Oh and once again I am just alluding to the mrna vaccine...

 

[mojito]

The reality is that the anti vaxxers are holding the rest of the community to hostage...just look at the sudden return to P2(HA)....if those obstinate over 70s who refused vaccination just took the jab instead...we could have started reopening up by now with a U turn highly unlikely unless a new infectious and virulent variant which cannot be controlled by the vaccine arises...

The economic and social devastation caused by Covid is sadly obvious...vaccination seems to be the answer where the benefits far far outweigh the risks....

The old economy will still be in the dumps. Every new cluster will lead to social tightening, vaxxed or no. Remember this "vaxx" don't give you immunity. Pro vaxxers all seem to have the same blind spot.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

The booster jabs has more 'serious' side effects (that is according to recent reports). According to Prof Paul Thambyah, he doesn't think a booster shot is necessary.

Please show me the solid objective science data...

As for Prof Thambyah I doubt he said that a booster jab would never be necessary...what needs to be established is how long the current vaccine regime lasts and remains effective...also taking into consideration the variants and potential newer variants...

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

The old economy will still be in the dumps. Every new cluster will lead to social tightening, vaxxed or no. Remember this "vaxx" don't give you immunity. Pro vaxxers all seem to have the same blind spot.

What is your basis for making such statements?

Once there is herd immunity through vaccination, why then should there be a need to return to "social tightening"?

As for the mrna vaccine...like I said in a previous post abv...it might not give full protection from infection...but this should not matter...because it does seem to provide very good protection from serious illness and death...

Bottom line...life can return to normal with the mrna vaccination regime in place...

 

[Loofydralb]

Told you Sg is worse than COMMUNISM.

Next is to wait until they arrest you for the flimsiest of reasons.

 

[laksaboy]

The old economy will still be in the dumps. Every new cluster will lead to social tightening, vaxxed or no. Remember this "vaxx" don't give you immunity. Pro vaxxers all seem to have the same blind spot.

Welcome to the Great Reset. Sometimes euphemistically known as the 'Fourth Industrial Revolution'... the pappies previously hinted at it with the 'Smart Nation Initiative'.

It's not conspiracy, everything is out in the open.

 

[mojito]

What is your basis for making such statements?

Once there is herd immunity through vaccination, why then should there be a need to return to "social tightening"?

As for the mrna vaccine...like I said in a previous post abv...it might not give full protection from infection...but this should not matter...because it does seem to provide very good protection from serious illness and death...

Bottom line...life can return to normal with the mrna vaccination regime in place...

You will be sorely disappointed just look at countries with the highest vaxx rates a round the world. Has life returned to normal? You pro vaxxers are simply clutching at straws. May be it make sense for the old and weak to get vaxxed. But others to the PAP you are just a number for them to brag about.

 

[Chase]

75% covided are vaccinated.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...ree-quarters-recent-covid-19-cases-2021-07-23

If you remove the foreigners, MORE THAN 80% of the vaccinated (1-2 times) locals are covided.
which means to say, based on July data, the vaccinated are more likely to be covided than the non-vaccinated.

Then shouldn't the logic be reversed?
We should ban the vaccinated from dining out.