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Regulators Refusing to Act - Hyflux & Noble Group's Decline

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Hyflux Bond Investors Lose Hope of Recovering Any Money
Debt recoveries for Singapore dollar bonds ‘fairly poor’: OCBC
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...losing-trust-in-rudderless-ship-due-to-delays

For frustrated retail investors like Siew, Utico’s offer, which benefits smaller holders of bonds, isn’t attractive. She said she plans to vote against it as the recovery is low and there is “not much difference from a complete write-off in the event of liquidation.”

Sim said he probably won’t subscribe to the offer, as he wants Hyflux “to go bust as a statement of protest."
 

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Regulators are clearly reluctant to investigate Hyflux. They acted immediately for Hin Leong and unwilling to raid Hyflux and auditors for the false accounting practices.

https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/20...ory-changes-were-made-over-the-past-two-years

On Thursday (23 April), Workers’ Party Non-Constituency Member of Parliament (NCMP) Dennis Tan Lip Fong took to his Facebook, voicing his concern on the issue of corporate governance of companies in Singapore.

Mr Tan mentioned that he had called out the Government to strengthen the corporate governance of companies in the Parliament over the last two years. In 2019, he spoke out regarding the corporate governance in companies. He wrote in his post, “I had mentioned the Swiber and Keppel prosecutions (and we are still waiting for the outcome of the investigations for these two cases, in case you are wondering) and the Hyflux case.” He said in the Parliament that it is inadequate for the current oversight processes and regime on the cases of corporate governance.

“In some of these cases, the problems reported seemed to have escaped the attention of their auditors or the problems have not been commented upon by their auditors.

“In cases where the executive management of a company or its board is aware of serious malfeasances or malpractices, or is not aware of such malfeasances but ought to be aware, the buck should never stop anywhere below executive management and its board,” he said.

As such, he had urged the regulators to be more proactive to take account of the errant or neglectful directors if they fail in their duties and obligations.
 
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UOB announced $4bn low cost loans (1.5-3%pa) to medium-sized enterprises within a few weeks. Not to mention OCBC and smaller banks, DBS is also pumping a lot more than UOB. These loans are supported from government assisted loan-scheme at the cost of 0.1%pa to banks.
https://www.straitstimes.com/busine...d-firms-under-government-assisted-loan-scheme

Even if Hyflux can get a few hundred million loans at 1.5%-3% now from this scheme, a lot of money will be paid to the wrongdoers auditors and restructuring team.

We got cheated. Hyflux is Enron.
 

Byebye Penis

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Government should understand that by saving the PnPs, they are not making anyone rich.

Doing so, is a lifeline to save numerous retail investors whose life and retirement plans are destroyed for good.
 

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Hi everyone, my MTN legal group has more or less disbanded. You can tell which group I am in, if you find one of the MTN lawyers gone.

It has been two years, we didn't expect Hyflux's case to drag this long. On parting note, we arrived at the consensus that Utico's proposal will not go through. We are determined to vote NO if there is a vote eventually. The extension due to Covid, requires us to fork out a bit more fees and a few of us decided to call it quits.

Sorry if i offended any perpetuals bondholders and preference shareholders here in the past. I am just frank online and meant no harm. Many MTN holds perps and prefs too but MTNholders are more willing to act. Our presence are strongly felt in courts, although the media is less sympathetic to us because we are supposed to be AI.

It doesn't mean we gave up pursuing justice. Some investors and I learned a lot in the process and we are clear about our strengths and weaknesses. We are also tapping on the expertise of another legal group. Special thanks to the two members here who contacted me. Thank you for the exchange of information.

I wish to summarize some points:

1. Not all MTN are not as rich as you thought. These are also hard-earned money, some of us downgraded residences and retirement dreams ruined. An adventurous speculators wouldn't park money in Hyflux, agree?

2. Our legal gave good insights all these while. He explained to us that a restructuring plan will be realized because there are very obvious frauds committed by the Board of Directors (especially Simon Tay and Olivia Lum), CFO and Auditors. My legal said that is so obvious that the only way to help these fraudster, is either a state bailout or restructuring with a clause that forgives all past wrongdoings. The underlying reason that this case drags and drags, is to reach some restructuring to bail out the criminals, not to help investors (if you stupidly still believe so, you deserve the shit that you are in).

3. As of now, a liquidation or a hostile corporate takeover without covering-up for the fraudsters will not go through. Even Utico got to give in to pacify Olivia to get the deal communicated to the stakeholders. Are you clear all about that?

4. Some of us walked away because we felt so sad that the Hyflux is willing to burn so much cash to bribe SIAS and engages various restructuring managers to kick us out of the equation. There is no money left, to speak of. The personal wealth of Simon Tay is definitely higher than Hyflux. Remember they called us "noises", WTF? we are creditors ok? Only in Hyflux's case, creditors must do the biddings of the debtor.

5. Olivia and her CFO is untouchable. Just look how fast CAD acted on Hin Leong, and ACRA/SGX/CAD's refusal to seek justice for us. My legal told me that the female indian lawyer from Wong Partnership's father is another judge, a friend of Hyflux case's judge. Hyflux was meant to give the judge and the indian lawyer a remarkable career case-study, that can qualify them numerous speaking engagements and boasting rights. Together with Simon Tay's role in Wong Partnership, Wong Partnership is now fearful that more conflicts of interests will be exposed and choose to withdrew from the comfy monthly fees. It is an ugly orgy, everyone is a fucking buddy of another.

I agree with people here, all of us still have a chance if we can change the government in the next elections. This is our last hope. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain by convincing all stakeholders, our families and our friends to vote for opposition because this scandal ruined you.

We will keep doing so, in this election, in the next election until we get our money back.
 

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Hi everyone, my MTN legal group has more or less disbanded. You can tell which group I am in, if you find one of the MTN lawyers gone.

It has been two years, we didn't expect Hyflux's case to drag this long. On parting note, we arrived at the consensus that Utico's proposal will not go through. We are determined to vote NO if there is a vote eventually. The extension due to Covid, requires us to fork out a bit more fees and a few of us decided to call it quits.

Sorry if i offended any perpetuals bondholders and preference shareholders here in the past. I am just frank online and meant no harm. Many MTN holds perps and prefs too but MTNholders are more willing to act. Our presence are strongly felt in courts, although the media is less sympathetic to us because we are supposed to be AI.

It doesn't mean we gave up pursuing justice. Some investors and I learned a lot in the process and we are clear about our strengths and weaknesses. We are also tapping on the expertise of another legal group. Special thanks to the two members here who contacted me. Thank you for the exchange of information.

I wish to summarize some points:

1. Not all MTN are not as rich as you thought. These are also hard-earned money, some of us downgraded residences and retirement dreams ruined. An adventurous speculators wouldn't park money in Hyflux, agree?

2. Our legal gave good insights all these while. He explained to us that a restructuring plan will be realized because there are very obvious frauds committed by the Board of Directors (especially Simon Tay and Olivia Lum), CFO and Auditors. My legal said that is so obvious that the only way to help these fraudster, is either a state bailout or restructuring with a clause that forgives all past wrongdoings. The underlying reason that this case drags and drags, is to reach some restructuring to bail out the criminals, not to help investors (if you stupidly still believe so, you deserve the shit that you are in).

3. As of now, a liquidation or a hostile corporate takeover without covering-up for the fraudsters will not go through. Even Utico got to give in to pacify Olivia to get the deal communicated to the stakeholders. Are you clear all about that?

4. Some of us walked away because we felt so sad that the Hyflux is willing to burn so much cash to bribe SIAS and engages various restructuring managers to kick us out of the equation. There is no money left, to speak of. The personal wealth of Simon Tay is definitely higher than Hyflux. Remember they called us "noises", WTF? we are creditors ok? Only in Hyflux's case, creditors must do the biddings of the debtor.

5. Olivia and her CFO is untouchable. Just look how fast CAD acted on Hin Leong, and ACRA/SGX/CAD's refusal to seek justice for us. My legal told me that the female indian lawyer from Wong Partnership's father is another judge, a friend of Hyflux case's judge. Hyflux was meant to give the judge and the indian lawyer a remarkable career case-study, that can qualify them numerous speaking engagements and boasting rights. Together with Simon Tay's role in Wong Partnership, Wong Partnership is now fearful that more conflicts of interests will be exposed and choose to withdrew from the comfy monthly fees. It is an ugly orgy, everyone is a fucking buddy of another.

I agree with people here, all of us still have a chance if we can change the government in the next elections. This is our last hope. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain by convincing all stakeholders, our families and our friends to vote for opposition because this scandal ruined you.

We will keep doing so, in this election, in the next election until we get our money back.

Thank you for your contributions. Do stay around and live to fight another day.
 

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I agree with people here, all of us still have a chance if we can change the government in the next elections. This is our last hope. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain by convincing all stakeholders, our families and our friends to vote for opposition because this scandal ruined you.

We will keep doing so, in this election, in the next election until we get our money back.

I agree whole-heartedly. Thanks for being here.
 

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Yes , Big changes in the next election , one of the GRC will change party !

George Yeo and Victor Lye will takeback Aljunied GRC , no more AHTC scandal !

WP will only left with Hougang SMC !
 

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This is the main portion Utico's "supposed" business to list in Singapore, super low margin. Hard for any existing creditors to gain much from the so-called New Hyflux. Throwing in a big unprofitable business like Eagle REITs in exchange for control over Hyflux's RO technology.

Utico consortium (with a small Hyflux involvement) won the Hassyan IWP in UAE, with the lowest tariff for a RO (reverse osmosis) IWP project, in the world in Feb 2020.
https://www.utilities-me.com/news/1...ff-of-0306-usd-for-hassyan-desalination-plant

Now, UAE announced a re-tender with larger capacity.
https://energy-utilities.com/dubai-increases-capacity-of-hassyan-desalination-news083268.html
 

Byebye Penis

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This is the main portion Utico's "supposed" business to list in Singapore, super low margin. Hard for any existing creditors to gain much from the so-called New Hyflux. Throwing in a big unprofitable business like Eagle REITs in exchange for control over Hyflux's RO technology.

Utico consortium (with a small Hyflux involvement) won the Hassyan IWP in UAE, with the lowest tariff for a RO (reverse osmosis) IWP project, in the world in Feb 2020.
https://www.utilities-me.com/news/1...ff-of-0306-usd-for-hassyan-desalination-plant

Now, UAE announced a re-tender with larger capacity.
https://energy-utilities.com/dubai-increases-capacity-of-hassyan-desalination-news083268.html

Utico sexposed! New Hyflux has no future under Utico. Just like a sex slave for Utico.

But I think UAE also quite broke now, so they asked for re-bid, hoping for even lower prices.
 

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Given the poor financial health of Singamas, why take a collateral whose valuation is going to be significantly depreciated? Pat Low further asked. Temasek appears to be throwing good money after bad ones in the loan deal with PIL, unless there is a bigger game in play like taking over PIL later.

There is also a question of why choose to rescue PIL and not, say, Hyflux?
If it’s to renter the shipping business again, why Temasek disposed Neptune Orient Lines with huge losses in the first place?

https://chem-post.blogspot.com/2019/05/temasek-subsidiarys-loan-to-shipping.html
https://www.onlinecitizenasia.com/2...indirect-loan-to-pacific-international-lines/
 

Filloz

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From what I gathered, Senior Creditors (Banks and Noteholders) are still not supportive of Utico because they are projecting similar or more payouts under liquidation and Utico is unlikely to have the money (no prove of credibility till date).

Hi, hope everyone is well. The biggest Fraud in Singapore's corporate history goes unchecked and now it's proven that Utico indeed has no money.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Hyflux-s-290m-deal-with-Middle-Eastern-backer-collapses
Utico requested a change in the terms of the agreement on Tuesday and unilaterally announced that instead of the cash it would give them Utico and Hyflux shares.
 

Filloz

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2. Our legal gave good insights all these while. He explained to us that a restructuring plan will be realized because there are very obvious frauds committed by the Board of Directors (especially Simon Tay and Olivia Lum), CFO and Auditors. My legal said that is so obvious that the only way to help these fraudster, is either a state bailout or restructuring with a clause that forgives all past wrongdoings. The underlying reason that this case drags and drags, is to reach some restructuring to bail out the criminals, not to help investors (if you stupidly still believe so, you deserve the shit that you are in).

Hi all,

This is positive news
Hyflux and its directors, including Olivia Lum, under criminal investigation for corporate governance breaches
Read more at https://www.straitstimes.com/busine...directors-including-olivia-lum-under-criminal


I would like to share some thoughts.

The article stated that "The time needed to complete the investigation depends on several factors, including the complexity of the issues and number of subjects involved, and the agencies will provide an update when there is an outcome to the investigation, they noted."Is it a wayang before GE? After GE, will we be left high and dry? i reserve my judgement. But for a criminal fraud at such level, I hope we can justify a state bailout. There are many ways for the government to help, which we discussed here in the past.

Simon Tay is indeed a very white horse. He has the most serious conflict of interests but the article did not mention that charges were pressed on him.

Let's hope we really get a bailout like SIA or Olam.
 
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