Serious Japan's and Taiwan's COMBINED Armed Forces are STRONGER than the PRC's, according to the Swiss bank, Credit Suisse! haha

[KuanTi01]

The biggest difference is not the hardware or the numbers it's the fact that PLA can't fight for nuts.

They excel only when it comes to shooting their own unarmed citizens.

That's obviously rather a biased view.

 

[steffychun]

Why PJ Thum never praised them?

 

[empathizerofeatshitndie]

The biggest difference is not the hardware or the numbers it's the fact that PLA can't fight for nuts.

They excel only when it comes to shooting their own unarmed citizens.

Dear @Leongsam, many thanks again for gracing another humble thread of mine and for voting in the poll and even agreeing with me and Credit Suisse!

 

[Sideswipe]

Japan army was so much stronger than China army in the 1930s but they failed to conquer China back then. the "inferior races" Mongols and Manchus previously succeeded but not the "superior race" Japanese. Japan should learn from history and don't provoke China into a military conflict again.

 

[empathizerofeatshitndie]

Many belated thanks also to:
@glockman
@nightsafari
@gingerlyn
@3_M
for voting in the poll and even agreeing with me and Credit Suisse!

 

[eatshitndie]

future recruit of pla, pla air force, pla navy.

 

[empathizerofeatshitndie]

future recruit of pla, pla air force, pla navy.

Dear @eatshitndie, many thanks to you too for gracing another humble thread of mine and for voting in the poll and even agreeing with me and Credit Suisse!

 

[Nice-Gook]

China as a whole nation cannot be conqured by any nation..that is a fact ...but can be brought down to its knees from within...which is not a possiblity so long as the communist goverment stays ...the possiblity of the communist government being overthrown by dissent is a far cry ...since the chinese pepple themselves had seen how such a government brought propensity to its people and the chinese are no fools to fall for the fallacy of ideals like democracy and such

this communist government had uplifted more than 600 millions out of poverty in 2 decades ...a feat unmatched in any civilization anytime ...thus the commies are gonna stay for good in China with people support

what than will bring china to its knees ...uncle Sam is gonna play the same games as it had done in the past with some middle eastern countries and not follow the same path as it did in Vietnam and Afganistan.....Sanctions ! in the case of china trade wars and taxation ....that will weaken china for sure

why ? because china too fall into the same trap as others in the East ...China is totally global dependent ecoonmy now though it could be totally be an internal driven econmy ..but with lesser growth

i opine any econmy should not grow so fast as to be locked into a situation where global trade and not domestic trade within your own country is critical to your survival...

yes ,there cannot be such thing as internal ecoonmy for a country like Singapore but china has all the ingredients required ..the critical mass both as consumers and producers and all that infrastructures necessary not to mention the natural wealth too

 

[maxsanic]

The scores make no sense at all, they seem to be grossly underestimating the military superiority of the bigger military powers while grossly overestimating the smaller powers. Nuclear arms aside, it gives the impression that US is only slightly better than Russia and China which is definitely NOT the case.

Consider the Aircraft component, arguably the single most significant decider of modern conflict - US is 0.95, Russia 0.9, China 0.86. Give me a break please. The US fields hundreds of 5th generation fighters and bombers and even the large numbers of legacy 4.5 generation variants of F15/16/18 are no pushovers either. In contrast, the Russian Airforce is running on a shoestring budget, unable to even field one proper functioning squadron of the ever troubled SU-57. It has a relatively small number of 4.5G fighters like the SU-35 and SU-34 and that's about it. And that's supposed make Russia 0.5 lower than US in Airforce?

The Aircraft Carrier component is even more ludicrous. The USN fields 11 carrier strike groups, all nuclear powered and CATOBAR. The Chinese have 2 conventional STOBAR and Russia has 0, the only carrier grounded in ship repair yards for years with numerous accidents and won't be operational for at least another few years. This sort of situation US is 0.95 and Russia/China 0.52? Doesn't even pass the laugh test. More like US 0.95, China 0.2, Russia 0.0.

 

[syed putra]

this communist government had uplifted more than 600 millions out of poverty in 2 decades ...a feat unmatched in any civilization anytime ...thus the commies are gonna stay for good in China with people support

what than will bring china to its knees ...uncle Sam is gonna play the same games as it had done in the past with some middle eastern countries and not follow the same path as it did in Vietnam and Afganistan.....Sanctions ! in the case of china trade wars and taxation ....that will weaken china for sure

why ? because china too fall into the same trap as others in the East ...China is totally global dependent ecoonmy now though it could be totally be an internal driven econmy ..but with lesser growth

i opine any econmy should not grow so fast as to be locked into a situation where global trade and not domestic trade within your own country is critical to your survival...

yes ,there cannot be such thing as internal ecoonmy for a country like Singapore but china has all the ingredients required ..the critical mass both as consumers and producers and all that infrastructures necessary not to mention the natural wealth too

Communist uplift 600 mil out of poverty by abandoning communist ideals.

Deng Xiao peng asked capitalist hongkies to help develop Shenzhen.and because of that, the pearl river delta is now a economic powerhouse of china and the world. China should have allowed Hong Kong laws, rules and regulations to be used in that region and it would have strengthened further.

If China had not seek capitalist help, it will still be in poverty.

Currently nazi xi jinping is trying to revert china to be independent of world economy due to his aggressive posturing with neighbouring countries. Japan is the first to announce aid to get their businesses out of china. And US is trying to get their companies to invest back home.

 

[Leongsam]

The Chinese are well and truly fucked. Serves them right.

 

[nightsafari]

The scores make no sense at all, they seem to be grossly underestimating the military superiority of the bigger military powers while grossly overestimating the smaller powers. Nuclear arms aside, it gives the impression that US is only slightly better than Russia and China which is definitely NOT the case.

Consider the Aircraft component, arguably the single most significant decider of modern conflict - US is 0.95, Russia 0.9, China 0.86. Give me a break please. The US fields hundreds of 5th generation fighters and bombers and even the large numbers of legacy 4.5 generation variants of F15/16/18 are no pushovers either. In contrast, the Russian Airforce is running on a shoestring budget, unable to even field one proper functioning squadron of the ever troubled SU-57. It has a relatively small number of 4.5G fighters like the SU-35 and SU-34 and that's about it. And that's supposed make Russia 0.5 lower than US in Airforce?

The Aircraft Carrier component is even more ludicrous. The USN fields 11 carrier strike groups, all nuclear powered and CATOBAR. The Chinese have 2 conventional STOBAR and Russia has 0, the only carrier grounded in ship repair yards for years with numerous accidents and won't be operational for at least another few years. This sort of situation US is 0.95 and Russia/China 0.52? Doesn't even pass the laugh test. More like US 0.95, China 0.2, Russia 0.0.

good anaylsis!

 

[nightsafari]

Communist uplift 600 mil out of poverty by abandoning communist ideals.

Deng Xiao peng asked capitalist hongkies to help develop Shenzhen.and because of that, the pearl river delta is now a economic powerhouse of china and the world. China should have allowed Hong Kong laws, rules and regulations to be used in that region and it would have strengthened further.

If China had not seek capitalist help, it will still be in poverty.

Currently nazi xi jinping is trying to revert china to be independent of world economy due to his aggressive posturing with neighbouring countries. Japan is the first to announce aid to get their businesses out of china. And US is trying to get their companies to invest back home.

should have done it 10 years ago.

 

[Nice-Gook]

Communist uplift 600 mil out of poverty by abandoning communist ideals.

Deng Xiao peng asked capitalist hongkies to help develop Shenzhen.and because of that, the pearl river delta is now a economic powerhouse of china and the world. China should have allowed Hong Kong laws, rules and regulations to be used in that region and it would have strengthened further.

If China had not seek capitalist help, it will still be in poverty.

Currently nazi xi jinping is trying to revert china to be independent of world economy due to his aggressive posturing with neighbouring countries. Japan is the first to announce aid to get their businesses out of china. And US is trying to get their companies to invest back home.

i stand by dengs quote, white or black cat does not matter so long as it catches the mouse ..compared ,India had a growth better than china for a 1000 years prior to the British occupation and now the largest democracy in the world ...so what ? people are still shitting openly and democracy have not fed their millions and millions.

xi jin ping is no different than trump in my eyes ...both wants to stay in power berating past glories

 

[maxsanic]

Here is my amateur approximate analysis of the top 3 military powers (US, CN & RU) in terms of the 4 major service branches (Army, Navy, Air, Space/Rocket). I am no expert on such matters, but do pay more attention to weapons development besides the usual low quality mass media articles. Just take this as chit chat reference:

Army
US 0.95
CN 0.95
RU 0.95

Equipment wise, don't think either country has a distinct advantage over their peers. Experience wise, naturally US and RU have better exposure, but CN makes it up with the numbers.

Navy
US 0.95
CN 0.5
RU 0.3

US dominates the high seas and no questions about that. CN has rapidly build up a world class blue water navy that is distant second only to the US. Japan comes in 3rd with a very strong navy as well due to heavy US assistance. RU navy surface fleet is pretty much middle power standards with only a small number of advanced frigates and a few old 1970s/80s monster cruisers that can carry a lot of ammo, but pretty much outdated in everything else. Submarine is in a better shape, but again other than a small number of conventional boats that are modern, the rest is pretty much monster tonnage sized cold war relics that serve as good ammo dumps.

Air
US 0.95
CN 0.6
RU 0.25

Only US and CN has operational 5G fighters in service, so in that sense RU is not really in the same league. Also in terms of AEW&C US and CN have full fledged functioning auxiliary integrated aircraft systems that are global state of the art while RU does not have anything close. In modern and informational warfare, RU will be at a serious disadvantage here though it is commonly acknowledged that RU aircraft tend to have better aerodynamics and maneuverability. RU is well aware of this deficiency and has attempted to close some of the gap by investing heavily in SAM system.

The upcoming area of interest is UAV of which once again US and CN dominate. Not only are they competing on the military front, this slug is extending to the commercial side which both countries are actively promoting their wares for sale to the export market with success. Unfortunately, RU has very little presence in this domain.

One major shortfall of CN & RU is bombers which they don't have anything close to US B2. CN seems to be attempting a generation leap by targeting to develop H-20 of the same generation as B-21, the upcoming US bomber flagship, whether they will succeed is currently unknown. RU on the other hand does not have any upcoming bomber that is close to functioning prototype stage, so the situation will get worse for them in 10 years.

Space/Rocket
US 0.85
CN 0.95
RU 0.9

Space and rocket/ballistic missile assets is one area that CN and RU has a slight advantage over the US, but I would say all 3 are overall at the same planar that no other country in the world comes remotely close. All have mastered advanced technologies like intercontinental range, MIRV, decoys, anti-sat capability etc.

The upcoming area of interest in the field of HGVs, said to be able to penetrate any missile defence in existence today, in which all three are actively developing. CN has an advantage here as it is the only country that fields an operating HGV weapon currently. It has also mastered ballistic missile maneuverability for precision strike on relatively slow moving naval ships, something which no country currently has.

 

[LaoTze]

The biggest difference is not the hardware or the numbers it's the fact that PLA can't fight for nuts.

They excel only when it comes to shooting their own unarmed citizens.

America forgot about WW2 where China with barely any arms from USA and with single shot bolt rifles and swords and bare hands fought and killed 3,000,000 Japanese invaders?

And USA needed no less than aircraft carriers and battleships and planes and artilleries and automatic rifles to kill 300,000 Japs in the Pacific?

Or Korean War where China with single shot bolt action rifles drove USA and all her allies when USA firepower 100 times greater than China and fighting with automatic weapons and artillery and battleships with 16 inch guns .

The military might and strength of USA with heavy artillery and planes and tanks and battleships with 16 inch guns cannot be resisted by China with economy slightly out of stone age and with single shot bolt action rifles. Bolt operated rifles were just one stage above using muzzle loading muskets and black powder.

That Chinese be slaughtered and turned into red pulp should they dare to fight good old Dugout in Korea.

Chinese whacked USA and the UN combined that they had to flee south of the Parallel as demanded by China.Chinese fought with bolt operated rifles against Ma Dueces , automatic weapons and artillery and tanks and planes and chopters and battleships with 16″ guns.

Go read the book by David Halberstam
The Coldest Winter

Look on the front line at 24 Nov 1950 and the front line of 16 Dec 1950.

It took China only twenty days and less to do that push down to 38 parallel fighting USA and the UN combined who had 100 times and more of the firepower of China.

And what about Vietnam?
USA firepower at least 100 times that of Vietnam and China combined?

https://www.quora.com/Does-China-al...atively-or-quantitatively/answer/Husuo-Batao?


China budget for military spending is 1.5% , or 175 billion USD. Not even at 2% as wanted by USA for her puppet countries like UK, France , Germany , Australia , Japan etc. USA budget for military spending is 686 billion USD or 3.5%
Just imagine if China military budget is at 2%, or like USA, at 3.5%
Further more, this is not like in the case of Germany during Hitler time. Werhmact had the Tigers tanks, a much better tank than Russia or USA or UK.
BUT
Germany manufactured only 5,966 tanks, as compared to 29,497 for the US, 7,476 for Britain, and an estimated 20,000 for the Soviet Union. And the results shown many many more will take out the best and the few.
In China now, not only the key assets got better reach and more bang then USA, China got more of them than USA.
Report: China has some of world’s most advanced weapons, remains ‘long way’ from US military
China’s been showing off a lot of new powerful weapons, and experts think they’re sending a message
Some Chinese military tech surpasses US, Pentagon admits
**Let us start with MRLS.**
Now China is as good if not better than Russians in rocket artillery.
Top 10 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (Top 10 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems)
The PHL 03 is a Chinese artillery rocket system. It is a copy of the Soviet
Smerch (Smerch Multiple Launch Rocket System)
. It reportedly entered service with the Chinese army in 2004-2005. The PHL 03 is also being proposed for the export customers as the AR2. It has been exported to Morocco (one battalion with 36 units).
The PHL 03 has 12 tubes for 300 mm rockets. A standard rocket weights around 800 kg and has a 280 kg warhead. Maximum range of fire is 70-130 km depending on the warhead type. Though some sources report that rockets of this system has a maximum range of 150 km. Rockets are available with High Explosive Fragmentation (HE-FRAG), fuel-air explosive, and cluster warheads with anti-armor and anti-personnel submunitions. Cluster warheads may also carry self-targeting anti-tank munitions. A full salvo of this system could potentially cover an area of up to 67 hectares.
**Even though the PHL 03 is a Chinese version of the Smerch, it appears that Chinese overtook Russians in terms of rockets, as rockets of the PHL 03 have longer range than those of the Smerch. Manufacturers claim, that Chinese 300 mm rockets are not compatible with the Russian Smerch rockets as these use different propellant motors and components.**
USA is a distant third to Russia and China. Be that in rocket artillery or tube artillery.
China's PHL03, advanced Multiple Launch Rocket System (China's PHL03, advanced Multiple Launch Rocket System)
Various types of the 300 mm caliber rocket shells fired by the PHL03 are equipped with simple automatic correction system which allows more dense impact points. The impact point intensity doubles and the accuracy triples. In this way, a high kill probability with fewer rocket shells is possible.
Comparison with its peers

From the table above, it can be concluded that in terms of overall design, or in particular, the range, intensity, power, survivability and maneuverability, the PHL03 MLRS has a series of major breakthroughs compared with traditional rockets. Some of its aspects meet or even exceed the world's advanced level.
The service of the PHL03 Multiple Launch Rocket System has greatly enhanced the capability of remote fire support of the Chinese military. The operational performance of the system will continue to improve with the development of China's rocket shell technology. And it will become an indispensable remote firepower for the Chinese military.
**Chinese tube artillery**
Saudi Arabia uses Chinese NORINCO PLZ-45 self propelled howitzer for the clear advantage over that of the best of USA artillery. More accurate and longer reach than the best of USA artillery. And Saudi Arabia is USA captive country and yet refused to use USA artillery as that so inferior to China.
Saudis Use Chinese-made Cannons in Yemen (Saudis Use Chinese-made Cannons in Yemen)

Chinese designed and made their own GL5 APS for their battle tanks.
China unveils GL5 active protection system for main battle tanks
You will see photos of the missile warhead being taken out by the APS meters before the missile hit the tank .

USA got no equivalent despite their vast spendings , and had to go cap in hand to Israel to buy their Trophy system and mount it on their Abrahms.

**Explosives**
China also got the most powerful non-nuclear explosive. So a Chinese AShM carrying 500 kg semi armour piercing warhead might well be the equivalent of a 1,500 kg warhead of USA equivalent. And same for Chinese propellant.
Other than nuclear explosives, the most powerful are Semtex, HMX, or even the holy grail Octanitrocubane sought by the West in vain.
China leapt pass that into the N15 kind of explosive 10 to 100 times more powerful than TNT. N15 in propellent form is also used by China in her missiles .
In Chinese
军事深度_新浪军事_新浪网... (中国竟先于美推出高含能材料:重要程度堪比055下水)
**中国竟先于美推出高含能材料:重要程度堪比055下水**
2017年11月18日
Partial extract via
Google Translate (Google Translate)
In January 2017, China announced a new research result. The world's first all-anion anion salt was successfully synthesized. The related research papers have become China's first research paper in the field of energetic materials published in the international top science "science" , But also allow China to occupy a new generation of ultra-high-energy energetic materials to study the international high ground.
As all-nitrogen ultra-high energy material energy up to 10 to 100 times the TNT above, the power comparable to small nuclear bombs, with high density, high energy, clean and detonated pollution-free, nitrogen explosion products, stable and safe. Therefore, the main object of development.
More than 200 years ago, people isolated nitrogen from the air and later discovered nitrogen ions. Various theoretical calculations were made on all-nitrogen derivatives. However, the earliest synthesis was recorded in 1956. Before this century, It is considered a breakthrough and is currently under exploration. Its prospects have attracted the positive research from all countries.

**Shooting war in the sea will also have shooting war in the air and AWACs important to that air war.**
Husuo Batao's answer to Is it true that Chinese AWACS aircraft are 50 percent more efficient than those used by the USA? (Quora User's answer to Is it true that Chinese AWACS aircraft are 50 percent more efficient than those used by the USA?)
extract of above

Thanks a lot to all those that feared China and took steps to block her from the Israeli deal.
Thereby forcing China to do it by herself and thereby making even far better AWACs then those possessed by USA or Israel instead of merely being on par with USA /Israel.
Just like the fear that China supercomputers be better than USA and USA blocking sales of chips to be used on China supercomputer. China went on to design and made their own chips and China Supercomputers fastest in the world. Please do not tell me USA now hold the title for fastest supercomputer.
China decided not to enter her latest supercomputer in that Top500 to avoid yet more kneejerks from Dotard.
China said to play down US supercomputing rivalry amid trade war
As for Chinese AWACs, I am reposting Lin Xieyi from his July 2017 answer on How capable is Chinese AWACS system as compared to US or Israeli systems?

It was the successful efforts by the US in 2000 in pressurizing Israel and Russia not to export AWACs technology to China that prompted Beijing to embark on an intensive effort to develop advanced home-grown radar technology. Only when the KJ-2000 entered service in 2005 did China possess the capability to coordinate its air force in large-scale air battles while simultaneously tracking many enemy aircraft and ships. The speed of Chinese AWACS development overtook the speed of acquisition of AWACS by other countries - China completed the path of catching up and overtaking the West on AWACS research and by 2012, China became the world leader in AWACS aircraft in terms of stealth detection range and fixed rotodome design.

1. Stealth detection Range : Although the US E-3 Sentry AWACS can detect/track 3rd-Gen military aircraft out to 400 km in range, it can only detect 4th and 5th Gen stealth aircraft out to 150 Km. On the other hand the Chinese KJ-500 (or KJ-2000) can detect 4th & 5th Gen stealth aircraft at 250 km range, giving it a heads-up in transmitting enemy aircraft info to escorting fighters.
2. Fixed Rotodome design : The PLAAF’s current top-of-the-line AEWC&C system, the KJ-2000, is believed to be one full generation ahead of U.S. E-3 AWACS and E-2 Hawkeye aircraft. While the US AWACS are still using rotating rotodomes, the Chinese AWACS are using fixed rotodome which reduce wear and tear due to less moving mechanical parts.

[1] China’s Emerging C4ISR Revolution

Footnotes
[1] China’s Emerging C4ISR Revolution
Since then, China came up with even more powerful AWACS, aka KJ-600 Carrier Based AWACS .
Meet KJ-600, the aircraft that could help China's navy rival America's
And from Wuming Chan answer.

How much can one truly know how capable the Chinese AWACS systems can be?
Much of that might be secret until the time when that is being used to deliver good news to KC-135s and carriers and AWECs and other assets which is likely to be a lot less stealth than hoped for.
How difficult is it to detect stealth planes and to target them when the quality of radar Chinese are dealing with can be set to detect not just mosquitoes a few kilometers away.
Whether the mosquito is female or male will also be known.
Your stealth F35s or B1s B2s got smaller radar profile than a mosquito?
China Using Radar To Combat Mosquitoes
China is using military technology to wage war ... on mosquitoes
USA or Israeli got any systems able to do that?
Thank you USA for enforcing ban on China in purchasing that from Israel or other countries.
Forcing China to do it all on its own and leaving you either far behind or far far behind.
**And Chinese air weaponary. To splash the air tankers and AWACs and JSTAR USA rely on to direct the fight in the air. And the Stealth planes of USA.**
How China's Clever New Missile Could Cripple American Air Power
China's Mach 6 Monster Air-to-Air Missile Could Make the U.S. Air Force Come in for a ‘Crash Landing’
This is what USA Airforce Secretary got to say in 2018
Air Force secretary: China, Russia could shoot down new JSTARS on day one of a war
There will be no usable bases for USA airforce in Japan or Guam within the first 10 minutes of the war.
First Strike: China's Missile Threat to U.S. Bases in Asia
A Missile 'Pearl Harbor': How China Could Win a War Against America?
Missile Strikes on U.S. Bases in Asia: Is This China's Real Threat to America?
Those bases will all be hit and cratered by DFs with conventional warheads so planes cannot take off.
Go into above to see photos of strikes made by Chinese on model setups in the Western desert of China that represent hardened bunkers for planes and runways and dock settings with models of Burkes and Ticos and the bases HQs to see the pin point targetting of the DFs.

Naval assets and head quarters will all be hit and sunk and taken out of play.
Then Chinese cruise missiles will fly by the thousands to take out planes still stuck in those bases.
As for shooting war at the sea. And forgetting for time being the DF-21Ds and DF-26Bs and CM-401s that China have and figment of imagination in heads of USA Admirals.
Just on AShMs.
Xi Jinping's Rocket Force is nullifying U.S. military primacy in Asia

Apart from weapons covered by the INF Treaty where China has a monopoly, the PLA has other missiles in its arsenal that outperform their U.S. counterparts. These include two supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles, the YJ-12, with a range of 400 km, and the YJ-18, which can hit targets up to 540 km away.
To counter these missiles, the United States relies on its subsonic, Harpoon anti-ship missile which has been modified to give it a maximum range of about 240 km. “That is a very big gap,” said Haddick, who is also an adviser to the U.S. Special Operations Command. “China’s anti-ship missile capability exceeds those of the United States in terms of range, speed and sensor performance.”

The whole world will be watching Muricans kids lead by a Dotard and his demented side kicks Bolton and Pompeo carrying knives to indulge in their blood letting fantasies in a fucking gun fight with China, when China got the guns against the knives of Murican kids.

China has thousands of supersonic Mach 3 AShMs and thousands of subsonic stealth AShMs that then can sprint to Mach 3 within 40 km of the target.
And eyes above in satellite and high flying drones above and sonar devices on sea bed that will know every second where the carriers are and where they are heading to tell the AShMs where to hit.

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Truly god view, Jilin-1 video satellite shot @OneSpace01 OS-X1 suborbital rocket's launch at JSLC this noon.

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China got 3000++ of Mach 3s YJ-12 and YJ18 to throw against the 11 carriers USA want to bring to their self declared FONOP.
Or at least 300++ Mach 3s on each carrier group.
Assuming only 20 % of those will hit. So be assured that at least 10 missiles will hit the carrier and not just 1 missile.
And not just the warhead, there will be 2–3 tons of missiles coming behind the warhead at Mach 3 tearing into the bulkheads and ordnance and aviation fuel and the poor men and women in the carrier. Those 2–3 tons of missile body will be tearing in the bulkheads faster and more deadly then APFSDS. Andf carrying its own unburned fuel to add to the fun.
Even steel will burn when hit with hell fire and tons of steel and debris coming in at Mach 3. The aviation fuel, and paint on walls, the bombs and ordnance will all cook off and add to the huge huge fire inside the carrier. Regardless if carrier under Condition Zebra or Donkey or Jackass.
The brave sailors in those carriers will not care or worry and be happy that their carrier not sinking. And only burning and burning from one end to the other end.

"Illustration of U.S. and threat anti-ship missile ranges from Bryan Clark's CSBA monograph 'Commanding the Seas: A Plan to Reinvigorate U.S. Navy Surface Warfare' https://csbaonline.org/uploads/d...
And do not forget the DF-21Ds and DF-26Bs and the CM-401s

The U.S. Navy Won't Like China's New Ship-Killer Hypersonic Missile
China Reveals Short-Range Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile Designed To Dodge Enemy Defenses
Graphics associated with the CM-401 suggest it has a “porpoising” or “skip-glide” trajectory that involves the warhead abruptly pulling up at least once as it begins the terminal stage of its flight. This maneuver could extend the range of a ballistic weapon, but has only ever been used to give the warhead a much more irregular flight path and allow it to adjust its course.

CHINESE INTERNET
A Chinese graphic showing a ballistic missile with a skip-glide trajectory associated with the CM-401.
This, in turn, makes it harder for an opponent to try and intercept the warhead. The CM-401’s terminal speed, which CASIC says is between Mach 4 and 6, would also help it break through enemy defenses to reach its target. The launch platform reportedly has the ability to fire its two missiles on different trajectories against either one or two targets at once, again increasing the difficulty for the defender to respond to the incoming threat.
I cannot imagine the big brothers of CM-401 do not have that capability. Especially as the CM-401 build for the export market.
And what about hypersonic weapons?
The Chinese military in 2014 said it had conducted a hypersonic test flight. By early 2016, it had conducted six successful tests, according to U.S. military officials. How many more since then is anyone guess.

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Starry Sky 2
More likely than not, Chinese hypersonic weapon systems already operational and deployed . USA equivalent still in the dreaming stages and going out to tender.
China leads U.S. on potent super-fast missiles
As for the really serious business that I hope never ever be used,
DF-41 - Wikipedia
The Dong Feng 41 (CSS-X-10) is a road- and rail-mobile intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM). The DF-41 is currently in its final testing stages and will be the next land-based ballistic missile to be deployed in the People’s Republic of China (PRC). It is estimated to have an operational range of 12,000 to 15,000 km, which would make it the longest range missile in operation. It will likely have a top speed of Mach 25 and will be capable of delivering up to 10 MIRVed warheads.
The DF-41 is a three-stage solid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile reported to have a maximum range of up to 15,000 kilometers (more than 9320 miles) and a top speed of Mach 25 (19,030 mph). It is said to be capable of carrying up to 10 multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRVs). Its launch preparation time is estimated to be between 3 to 5 minutes.
This would make the DF-41 the world's longest range missile, surpassing the range of the US LGM-30 Minuteman which has a reported range of 13,000 km.
As by Jan 2017, Chinese media have reported the deployment of three brigades of DF-41 ICBMs. There is photographic evidence of a possible fourth brigade of DF-41 ICBMs on the Tibetan plateau. However, we have only counted the number of DF-41 ICBM TELs (ie. Transporter Erector Launcher), or 4 X 12 TELs
It is inefficient to fire only one ballistic missile per launcher. It is more logical to fire two ballistic missiles per launcher. This process is called re-loading. A DF-41 TEL can either be re-loaded with another DF-41 ICBM missile nearby or the DF-41 TEL can drive to a hidden re-supply location for another DF-41 ICBM.
If you accept that China has one re-load missile for each DF-41 TEL then the total number of Chinese DF-41 ICBMs has to be doubled.
Four brigades of DF-41 ICBMs (Heilongjiang, Henan, Xinjiang, and Tibet Provinces) with one re-load per DF-41 TEL yields 96 total DF-41 ICBMs.

Reported DF-41 Deployment: China 'Responding to US Missile Defense in Asia'
Expert: DF-41 among most advanced missiles in the world
If China got only 260 thermonukes like what everyone is saying and hoping, the surplus warheads will be delivering dim sum and tea bags and cleaned pressed laundry from Chinese laundrymen.
Please remember DF-41 got a very big brother coming up as well in case you think DF-41 not worthy enough to deliver dim sum and tea bags and cleaned laundry.
Russia’s RS-28 “Sarmat” ten-ton payload, rated as the most dangerous ICBM . Reportedly it may carry up to fifteen 350 kiloton warheads, or up to twenty-four of the new “Avangard” nuclear-armed Hypersonic Glide Vehicle (HGV) warheads. Sarmat will be dwarfed by Chinese new missile with even larger twenty-ton payload. That will be solid-fuel space-launch vehicle (SLV), and could form the basis for what might become the world’s largest “mobile” ICBM.
The Next China Military Threat: The World's Biggest Mobile ICBM?

 

[syed putra]

In korea, US was president forbid general MacArthur from bombing and fighting in china. So his actions were limited.
If China had won, Korea would be part of china now, like xinjiang, outer Mongolia and Tibet. I think that was the intention of Mao.

 

[LaoTze]

In korea, US was president forbid general MacArthur from bombing and fighting in china. So his actions were limited.
If China had won, Korea would be part of china now, like xinjiang, outer Mongolia and Tibet. I think that was the intention of Mao.

China lost?

It is the fucking USA that had to go South of the fucking border as demanded by China and driven South of the fucking border by China
USA and all the fucking allies of USA kenna hammered and went south shitting in their fucking pants.

Sent there by a bunch of chink laundrymen wielding only single shot bolt action rifles against artillery and Ma Deuces and planes and battleships with 16 inch guns and unlimited ammo.

THAT IS HOW CHINESE FOUGHT AND CAN FIGHT!

Chinese then went home and left North Korea to North Koreans

 

[LaoTze]

TAIWAN AND JAPAN WANT TO COMBINE TO TAKE ON CHINA?

IN 15 MINUTES AND LESS, JAPAN BASES AND NAVAL BASES WILL NOT EVEN EXISTS.
There will be no usable bases for USA airforce in Japan or Guam within the first 10 minutes of the war.
First Strike: China's Missile Threat to U.S. Bases in Asia
A Missile 'Pearl Harbor': How China Could Win a War Against America?
Missile Strikes on U.S. Bases in Asia: Is This China's Real Threat to America?
Those bases will all be hit and cratered by DFs with conventional warheads so planes cannot take off.
Go into above to see photos of strikes made by Chinese on model setups in the Western desert of China that represent hardened bunkers for planes and runways and dock settings with models of Burkes and Ticos and the bases HQs to see the pin point targetting of the DFs.

Naval assets and head quarters will all be hit and sunk and taken out of play.
Then Chinese cruise missiles will fly by the thousands to take out planes still stuck in those bases.


AND CHINA STILL NO NEED TO USE THERMO NUKES ON JAPAN YET.



CHINA IS MORE THAN PREPARED TO TAKE ON USA AND 5 EYES COMBINED.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutt...navys-anti-carrier-capabilities/#19c0a64e7187

WHAT THE FUCK IS TAIWAN AND JAPAN HOPING TO DO?
LANGJEOW TO CHEEBYE SWISS BANK CREDIT SUISSE

NEVER FORGET THAT BEFORE COVID19 HIT, WORLD PSEUDO TOP EXPERTS RATED USA AND UK AND FRANCE AND ITALY TO BE THE BEST COUNTRIES TO COPE WITH PANDEMIC AND CHINA LISTED AS 30 SOMETHING OR LESS.

FUCK ALL THOSE CHEEBYE RUBBISH REPORTS.
AND WHAT ABOUT THAT REPORT THAT GAVE STINKAPORE GOLD STANDARD IN FIGHTING C19?
HOW MANY KENNA IN STINKAPORE?

150,000??? OR 250,000??

THAT THEY ALL JUST DARE NOT SAY AT ALL???

 

[empathizerofeatshitndie]

Many belated thanks also to:
@tanwahtiu
@ilovechinesegal
for voting in the poll, even though they do not agree with me and Credit Suisse!