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The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation

If there were far more numbers out there we would be seeing a steady flow of community cases. Instead, community cases have fallen off a cliff since the CCB started. It shows that cases are being eradicated and the infection out there will stop soon.

The infection stops no matter what is done. It's just the nature of a pandemic. However this is not about the effectiveness of the CB it's about mortality rates ie the number who caught the virus and the number that died from it.

Let's put the community aside and just count the dorm cases. The data shows that 20% to 30% have the virus but even if we assume only 10% then 320,000 x 10% = 32,000.

How many dorm dwellers have died so far? How many are in ICU? 1? 2? 10? There are currently only a total of 22 based upon the latest data at https://www.gov.sg/features/covid-19

Let's say half are banglas/indians that makes 11/32000 = 0.034%. Even if they all end up dead it still indicates just how mild this virus is and the mortality is way below the much touted 2% or more that was used as justification for all the lockdowns that have resulted in economic suicide.
 
https://us.cnn.com/2020/04/30/us/paterson-pandemic-paramedics/index.html


'Anybody who says they're not scared during this is lying to you.' A day in the life of paramedics in a pandemic
By Evan Simko-Bednarski, CNN

Updated 5:01 PM ET, Thu April 30, 2020


Paterson, N.J. (CNN)The man lay unconscious in the back of the ambulance, parked in front of the nursing home on the Passaic River. Another life slipping away before the paramedics of Paterson, N.J.
The call had come in as a 61-year-old male with difficulty breathing. The dispatcher had flagged it as a probable Covid-19 case. A woman wearing scrubs and a face mask peered down from the window at Complete Care nursing home as paramedics Alex Storzillo and Jim Incorvaia entered, wearing respirators that covered their whole face.
Inside, they found the man, who had a fever for several days, and was now barely alert. His oxygen saturation and blood pressure were very low.
He needed to be intubated and rushed to the hospital, where he could be placed on a ventilator.
For Storzillo and Incorvaia and so many paramedic colleagues across the country, this is their new routine, their daily grind: Trying to save lives while risking exposure to Covid-19, the deadly disease caused by coronavirus.
'No such thing as being more sick than that'
Paramedics Alex Storzillo and Jim Incorvaia adjust their respirators before entering a house.


Paramedics Alex Storzillo and Jim Incorvaia adjust their respirators before entering a house.
In the ambulance, standing by the man's feet near the open rear doors, Storzillo, 29, prepared what he'd called "half of a lethal injection," a combination of sedative and paralytic meant to halt a patient's breathing so that the paramedics could take over.
Incorvaia, 31, phoned ahead to the emergency room. "He feels very hot," he said to the doctor on the other end of the line. "We know he has Parkinson's, he has kidney failure, and he has (a history of) hypertension."
Back in the ambulance, the man's blood pressure was so low that Storzillo couldn't find a vein to administer the drugs. Instead, the paramedics drilled into the man's shin, allowing Storzillo to inject the medication into the man's bone marrow.
In about a minute, the man was completely paralyzed.
Now up at the man's head, Incorvaia began to work. Aided by a small video camera placed down the throat, Incorvaia guided a breathing tube through the man's mouth, past his vocal cords, and into his trachea.
Storzillo works on an intubated patient while Nicole Tugwell, an EMT on loan from Baltimore, keeps the patient breathing.


Storzillo works on an intubated patient while Nicole Tugwell, an EMT on loan from Baltimore, keeps the patient breathing.
Storzillo came up alongside and attached a tough plastic bladder to the tube, squeezing it rhythmically. He had now taken over the most fundamental of human tasks: breathing.
Sitting at the man's chest, Nicole Tugwell, an emergency medical technician on loan from Baltimore, took the bag. For the next 10 minutes, as the ambulance headed to the hospital, she would be the man's lungs.
Storzillo, meanwhile, placed a blood pressure cuff around a bag of saline solution hanging from the ceiling and tied in to the IV. He pumped up the cuff in an effort to squeeze the bag and maintain the patient's blood pressure.
Later, after delivering the man to the emergency room at St. Joseph's Regional Medical Center in Paterson, Incorvaia summed up the patient's condition.
"There really is no such thing as being more sick than that," he said.

The media started this narrative and now they can't back down even though the data proves the virus is way less deadly than they made it out to be. It really is sad.
 
The infection stops no matter what is done. It's just the nature of a pandemic. However this is not about effectiveness of the CB it's about mortality rates ie the number who caught the virus and the number that died from it.


People would much rather that they did NOT fall sick from some novel disease. This, and the uncertainty surrounding the new disease, is what caused the lockdown. And it is not entirely unjustified. Italy has 10% fatalities. America is off the cliff and people are dropping like flies. We cannot afford to be even a fraction of what they are, because our hospitals would be overwhelmed with ICU patients. The entire healthcare system would crumble.
 
https://us.cnn.com/2020/04/30/us/paterson-pandemic-paramedics/index.html


'Anybody who says they're not scared during this is lying to you.' A day in the life of paramedics in a pandemic
By Evan Simko-Bednarski, CNN

Updated 5:01 PM ET, Thu April 30, 2020


Paterson, N.J. (CNN)The man lay unconscious in the back of the ambulance, parked in front of the nursing home on the Passaic River. Another life slipping away before the paramedics of Paterson, N.J.
The call had come in as a 61-year-old male with difficulty breathing. The dispatcher had flagged it as a probable Covid-19 case. A woman wearing scrubs and a face mask peered down from the window at Complete Care nursing home as paramedics Alex Storzillo and Jim Incorvaia entered, wearing respirators that covered their whole face.
Inside, they found the man, who had a fever for several days, and was now barely alert. His oxygen saturation and blood pressure were very low.
He needed to be intubated and rushed to the hospital, where he could be placed on a ventilator.
For Storzillo and Incorvaia and so many paramedic colleagues across the country, this is their new routine, their daily grind: Trying to save lives while risking exposure to Covid-19, the deadly disease caused by coronavirus.
'No such thing as being more sick than that'
Paramedics Alex Storzillo and Jim Incorvaia adjust their respirators before entering a house.


Paramedics Alex Storzillo and Jim Incorvaia adjust their respirators before entering a house.
In the ambulance, standing by the man's feet near the open rear doors, Storzillo, 29, prepared what he'd called "half of a lethal injection," a combination of sedative and paralytic meant to halt a patient's breathing so that the paramedics could take over.
Incorvaia, 31, phoned ahead to the emergency room. "He feels very hot," he said to the doctor on the other end of the line. "We know he has Parkinson's, he has kidney failure, and he has (a history of) hypertension."
Back in the ambulance, the man's blood pressure was so low that Storzillo couldn't find a vein to administer the drugs. Instead, the paramedics drilled into the man's shin, allowing Storzillo to inject the medication into the man's bone marrow.
In about a minute, the man was completely paralyzed.
Now up at the man's head, Incorvaia began to work. Aided by a small video camera placed down the throat, Incorvaia guided a breathing tube through the man's mouth, past his vocal cords, and into his trachea.
Storzillo works on an intubated patient while Nicole Tugwell, an EMT on loan from Baltimore, keeps the patient breathing.


Storzillo works on an intubated patient while Nicole Tugwell, an EMT on loan from Baltimore, keeps the patient breathing.
Storzillo came up alongside and attached a tough plastic bladder to the tube, squeezing it rhythmically. He had now taken over the most fundamental of human tasks: breathing.
Sitting at the man's chest, Nicole Tugwell, an emergency medical technician on loan from Baltimore, took the bag. For the next 10 minutes, as the ambulance headed to the hospital, she would be the man's lungs.
Storzillo, meanwhile, placed a blood pressure cuff around a bag of saline solution hanging from the ceiling and tied in to the IV. He pumped up the cuff in an effort to squeeze the bag and maintain the patient's blood pressure.
Later, after delivering the man to the emergency room at St. Joseph's Regional Medical Center in Paterson, Incorvaia summed up the patient's condition.
"There really is no such thing as being more sick than that," he said.

well.blogs.nytimes.com

A Pregnant Woman's Story of Swine Flu
Tara Parker-Pope

2 minutes


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Scott Wiseman for The New York Times Swine flu put Aubrey Opdyke in the hospital, and she lost her baby.

Pregnant women appear to be highly vulnerable to serious complications from swine flu. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports that since April, 100 pregnant women have been in intensive care with swine flu and 28 have died.

One of the survivors is Aubrey Opdyke, a 27-year-old Florida waitress and former high-school swimmer who was hospitalized with swine flu during her pregnancy and lost her baby. Donald G. McNeil Jr., a reporter for The New York Times, tells her story in today’s Science Times.

In the four months she was hospitalized, she spent five weeks in a coma, suffered six collapsed lungs and a near-fatal seizure. High-pressure ventilation blew her up like a molten balloon until “she looked like she weighed 400 pounds,” her husband, Bryan, said, and she has stretch marks from her neck to her ankles. Her muscles and lungs are still so weak that she uses a walker.

To learn more, read the full story Flu Story: A Pregnant Woman’s Ordeal, and then please join the discussion below.
 
Sounds like a good idea, but why are you still complaining about CB?

It's not about me it's about the economic devastation and suffering it is causing for those who don't have a safety net.
 
well.blogs.nytimes.com

A Pregnant Woman's Story of Swine Flu
Tara Parker-Pope



One of the survivors is Aubrey Opdyke, a 27-year-old Florida waitress and former high-school swimmer who was hospitalized with swine flu during her pregnancy and lost her baby. Donald G. McNeil Jr., a reporter for The New York Times, tells her story in today’s Science Times.



To learn more, read the full story Flu Story: A Pregnant Woman’s Ordeal, and then please join the discussion below.


The horror stories about how people handled the regular flu badly only reinforces the correctness of the lockdown.

The WuFlu is worse than ordinary flu even if you restrict your attention to survivors. If the regular flu is already bad, the WuFlu is worse

Pneumonia symptoms, difficulty breathing, and needing ICU. These is why we need to lockdown
 
The horror stories about how people handled the regular flu badly only reinforces the correctness of the lockdown.

The WuFlu is worse than ordinary flu even if you restrict your attention to survivors. If the regular flu is already bad, the WuFlu is worse

Pneumonia symptoms, difficulty breathing, and needing ICU. These is why we need to lockdown

For the flu this happens every single year. So are you suggesting annual lockdowns in the Northern Hemisphere from October to March every year bearing in mind that in the USA 20,000 to 50,000 die of influenza in a good year and the recent bad year was 80,000.

In NZ 500 die of the flu every winter so a lockdown is justified too.

I'm just looking for consistency. If lockdowns are going to happen annually for any disease with a mortality of less than 0.1% I will adjust my schedule and finances accordingly.
 
after my post, I see ppl here compared cov19 with h1n1, swine flu, and other past viruses to justify what they think they know their positions.
this is exactly the same to many, including world leaders to politicize the truth into their benefits and terms.
but how can you when you dun even know what's going around you and your environment today and tomorrow!

many has forgotten that virus can be 10 or 100 times more hardy like the cockroache!
A croachs can even mutate itself, or "upversion" its physical bio-agents 4 to 5 times within its life span just to survive the insecticides we human prescribed to kill them.....
that's why early insecticide was very strong to ensure total insect annihilations until the crops are hurt . . . . no choice but lowering formulae to acceptable level.....
IF a lifespan of a cockroache is not even 2 weeks, how about the cov-19 that can stay inside your body more than 4 weeks without any symptons!

no one can guarrantee anyone's immunity that can kill 100% of the viruses after they have survived the cov-19
until the vaccine is out, cov-19 will not kill you but just being hosted inside you long enuff to build an immuninity and readiness for the next host - even stronger!

and many has also forgotten that world is changing, for the better or worst???
1. human manouvering around the earth has been tenfold since past decade (it takes <1 month for cov19 every corners of europe from wuhan
2. biological structure of mankind also weakended that human requires medications to live longer, if not to survive from daily flus
- this has given rise to countless diseases, viruses, anti-bio Co-agents against human in just past few years (and it gets complicated with climate changes)
3. earth climate issues have devastatedly worsened to a point that every animal kingdom . . . . . . . animals are being forced to expose into humanity, sigh
4. earth environmental issues have either obsoleted the animal kingdom or forced them to join the humankind or mutated itself to survive among us
- and I'm referring their molecular stands, be it the bacterials, viruses, diseases etc.

there are so many points we can easily list today that was never a concern 5, 10 years ago.
and now, it all hit together as 1 little invisible cov-19 that pink had cautioned its not worse than sars . . . .
but it already caused massive destructions, worse than the great depression in last century.... and hitting millions and more everyday within months only


ppl only measures the fatalities index today with yesterday's statistic to detemine the damage of cov-19
but they never measure the humanity strength or bio-survival agents of today with yesterday to evaluate how weak humankind has become today or worsened tomorrow!

but its good to be ignorance and acknowledge its a darker world after cov-19......
 
after my post, I see ppl here compared cov19 with h1n1, swine flu, and other past viruses to justify what they think they know their positions.
this is exactly the same to many, including world leaders to politicize the truth into their benefits and terms.
but how can you when you dun even know what's going around you and your environment today and tomorrow!

many has forgotten that virus can be 10 or 100 times more hardy like the cockroache!
A croachs can even mutate itself, or "upversion" its physical bio-agents 4 to 5 times within its life span just to survive the insecticides we human prescribed to kill them.....
that's why early insecticide was very strong to ensure total insect annihilations until the crops are hurt . . . . no choice but lowering formulae to acceptable level.....
IF a lifespan of a cockroache is not even 2 weeks, how about the cov-19 that can stay inside your body more than 4 weeks without any symptons!

no one can guarrantee anyone's immunity that can kill 100% of the viruses after they have survived the cov-19
until the vaccine is out, cov-19 will not kill you but just being hosted inside you long enuff to build an immuninity and readiness for the next host - even stronger!

and many has also forgotten that world is changing, for the better or worst???
1. human manouvering around the earth has been tenfold since past decade (it takes <1 month for cov19 every corners of europe from wuhan
2. biological structure of mankind also weakended that human requires medications to live longer, if not to survive from daily flus
- this has given rise to countless diseases, viruses, anti-bio Co-agents against human in just past few years (and it gets complicated with climate changes)
3. earth climate issues have devastatedly worsened to a point that every animal kingdom . . . . . . . animals are being forced to expose into humanity, sigh
4. earth environmental issues have either obsoleted the animal kingdom or forced them to join the humankind or mutated itself to survive among us
- and I'm referring their molecular stands, be it the bacterials, viruses, diseases etc.

there are so many points we can easily list today that was never a concern 5, 10 years ago.
and now, it all hit together as 1 little invisible cov-19 that pink had cautioned its not worse than sars . . . .
but it already caused massive destructions, worse than the great depression in last century.... and hitting millions and more everyday within months only


ppl only measures the fatalities index today with yesterday's statistic to detemine the damage of cov-19
but they never measure the humanity strength or bio-survival agents of today with yesterday to evaluate how weak humankind has become today or worsened tomorrow!

but its good to be ignorance and acknowledge its a darker world after cov-19......

It's only worse because the world did not react to the virus in a rational manner. It is far less deadly than SARS 1 which killed 1 in 10. This puny virus kills 1 in 500 or less.
 
It's not about me it's about the economic devastation and suffering it is causing for those who don't have a safety net.
Well...you have to choose between health and wealth. You cannot have both cake and eat it, otherwise you are insulting the meaning of PANDEMIC.
 
Stocks fall further after Trump’s China tariff threat
Friday, 01 May 2020 04:35 PM MYT
In Asia, with many markets closed, the benchmark Nikkei index fell 2.8 per cent, with declines led by chipmaking firms. — AFP pic
In Asia, with many markets closed, the benchmark Nikkei index fell 2.8 per cent, with declines led by chipmaking firms. — AFP pic
LONDON, May 1 — World stocks pulled back further today on grim US economic data, mixed company results and President Donald Trump’s threat to impose new tariffs on China over the coronavirus crisis.
MSCI’s index of global stocks fell 0.5 per cent after a tumble late yesterday broke a six-day winning streak for the index.


London-listed stocks fell as data showed the UK housing market was grinding to a halt, with the FTSE 100 down 2.2 per cent, wiping out much of the strong gains earlier in the week.
British Airways operator IAG shed another 2.6 per cent as details of its plans to cut staffing, including a quarter of its pilots, to weather the collapse in air travel caused by the coronavirus.

Trading volumes were thin with many European markets closed for a May 1 public holiday.

In Asia, with many markets closed, the benchmark Nikkei index fell 2.8 per cent, with declines led by chipmaking firms. Australian shares fell five per cent, their most in five weeks.
The negative sentiment was set by comments from Trump yesterday that he was concerned about China’s role in the origin and spread of the novel coronavirus and that his hard-fought trade deal with China was now of secondary importance to the pandemic. He threatened new tariffs on Beijing, as his administration crafted retaliatory measures over the outbreak.
Meanwhile, US initial jobless claims totalled 3.84 million for the week ended April 25 and personal spending tumbled 7.5 per cent in March, the biggest decline on record. All that came a day after figures showed the biggest quarterly contraction for the US economy since the Great Recession.
The US Federal Reserve widened a key programme to help the economy, agreeing to lend to even larger firms, bringing the dollar under some selling pressure. The currency, which has so far been remarkably resilient, fell to two-week lows and is set for a two per cent weekly loss. It has steadied somewhat this morning, however.
The dollar was down slightly against the Japanese yen, trading at 107.07 yen, though another metric of distress in the markets — the Australian dollar — fell by one per cent to 0.6447, its weakest since Tuesday.
Oil prices rose, helped by major producers starting output cuts to offset a slump in fuel demand and by data showing US crude inventories expanded less than expected.
Brent crude for July delivery, was up 22 cents, or 0.8 per cent, at US$26.70 (RM115) a barrel, after rising about 11 per cent in April. It has still slumped around 60 per cent this year. US crude for June delivery rose 34 cents, or 1.8 per cent, to US$19.18 a barrel. But US oil fell for a fourth month in April and is down 70 per cent this year. — Reuters
 
Well...you have to choose between health and wealth. You cannot have both cake and eat it, otherwise you are insulting the meaning of PANDEMIC.

It's not about choosing one. This is not an all or nothing situation. In every single aspect of our daily lives we strike a balance between risk and reward. When we take a plane, drive a car, go for elective surgery, have sex etc we run the risk of death or illness but we proceed nevertheless because these activities are part and parcel of the way we live.

Have we struck a balance with this relatively benign virus? I don't think so. I think the net result will be more deaths from the consequences of lockdowns than from the virus itself. Cancers undiagnosed, missed chemo sessions, untreated heart attacks, domestic violence etc will add up to more than the toll from Covid-19

But we can eliminate the virus. Do what we do with animals and cull the whole damned lot of humans even remotely at risk and start afresh.
 
any lockdown over 69 days is overdoing it. very hard for despotic govs to give up power when they are in total control.
 
I'm just looking for consistency. If lockdowns are going to happen annually for any disease with a mortality of less than 0.1% I will adjust my schedule and finances accordingly.

I don't see how to derive a mortality of 0.1%, as my data from worldometers.info shows that the developed countries have mortality rates from 3% to 10%, and even if I assume that there are 10 times more infected than reported because many cases are mild and simply end up being not tested for some reason or other, it is still 0.3% to 1% under the best possible way I can spin the data.

Maybe it is indeed justified to lockdown every couple of years or so, and we should all plan our finances accordingly. Then the next lockdown, none of us would be trapped and have to deal with bankruptcy, dire straits, etc.
 
The infection stops no matter what is done. It's just the nature of a pandemic. However this is not about the effectiveness of the CB it's about mortality rates ie the number who caught the virus and the number that died from it.

Let's put the community aside and just count the dorm cases. The data shows that 20% to 30% have the virus but even if we assume only 10% then 320,000 x 10% = 32,000.

How many dorm dwellers have died so far? How many are in ICU? 1? 2? 10? There are currently only a total of 22 based upon the latest data at https://www.gov.sg/features/covid-19

Let's say half are banglas/indians that makes 11/32000 = 0.034%. Even if they all end up dead it still indicates just how mild this virus is and the mortality is way below the much touted 2% or more that was used as justification for all the lockdowns that have resulted in economic suicide.

That is because of our lockdown system in placed. If its run wild, the number of critical case will goes up, our ICU resources will hit the limit it can handle. Those that do not have the ICU resources will surely die. That is when the death rate will shoot as high as 10% with respect to the confirm case just like in Italy. This is precisely what happen in Italy that they have to give up on the elderly access to ICU, ventilator resources to save the younger populations.

Although Sweden insist its medical facility still hasn't hit its max capacity, I suspect they are lying as their death statistic with respect to the confirm case is too similar in terms of percentage to the Italy. Pretty sure its hell now in Sweden.
 
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