on ministar salary wp did propose a different formula that is bottom-up.
did the people on the streets pick that up? no.
So why vote with the PAP? What's the message you're sending out to the voters? That you're not just passive, but compliant?
on ministar salary wp did propose a different formula that is bottom-up.
did the people on the streets pick that up? no.
nope.So just because we have a prostitute press you'd choose to sleep with the enemy? To keep silent, because the media will not publish what you say?
What a load of bull crap. For crying loud, this is the age of internet and social media! And Hong Lim Park. And for the IT illiterate there's the Hammer. And the Hansard.
That's why we'll never have a better chance than now of toppling the PAP despite their formidable machinery.
if wp dun vote yes then white scums get to keep the original salary package.So why vote with the PAP? What's the message you're sending out to the voters? That you're not just passive, but compliant?
if wp dun vote yes then white scums get to keep the original salary package.
i am saying, debate the merits in parliament but at the end of the day see the benefits that extra $ can do and vote for it.
voting along principal but denying the extra $ for the poor students serves what purpose? ego?
U are the one that has no idea how governance work, Look it up in the dictionary first. The problem with what you say is that its not true. The opposition HAVE NOT debated nor voted to death the PAP laws or anything else passed in Parliament.
The opposition HAVE NOT debated nor voted to death the PAP laws or anything else passed in Parliament.
Kindly show me the voting record for Chiam See Tong that proves this. Kindly show me the voting record for all the 7 WP parliamentarians in office now.
U will find that they voted WITH the PAP probably 90% of the time.
I do not take PAP buses, I do not live on PAP land, I do not cross PAP traffic lights, and I do not eat food from a PAP source. Because simply speaking, none of it belongs to the PAP. The PAP is just a political party. They do not own the buses that I ride in. They do on own the land that I live on. That belongs to the people as part of their national assets. I do not cross PAP traffic lights because they don't own the lights. U are confused as to what is a govt and what is a political party. The PAP may act as though all these things belong to them, but when people like you go along with the charade, it makes it easier. These are administrative laws that are not wiped out when another party takes over, and the PAP loses.
Unfortunately, u have to look at the facts. The WP is not going to wake up, it appears they are in cahoots with the PAP. Somewhere in some backroom, a deal was struck between the 2 parties. PAP says vote with me in PArliament and thereby legitimize the stupid and illegals laws I am passing, and in return, I will not harass and sue and intimidate you like I do with so many other oppos, and you can then earn your $16K a month salary and be happy like fuck.
No. Because 80 PAP MPs will vote 'aye' anyway. But WP would have won a moral victory by showing Singaporeans where it stood on the issue of million-dollar ministerial salaries, defence budget (2nd highest per capita in the first world), no universal healthcare, inadequate education allocation, etc. (Of course WP must make its stand clear why it wouldn't want to vote for the budget.)
This simple statement, if ever the WP is interested, would have won them the admiration of singaporeans, while casting a bad spotlight on an erroneous and flawed policy of the PAP. But of course, you would not expect PAP lite to say that.
The issue is that the person you are responding to is responding to a person who says opposition is rated based on voting against ALL BILLS. You have only cited some "bad bills", the others were saying "all bills are bad".
i see wp voting yes as agreeing to the lower salary and pls calling me names like my ex-gf that i dumped ok?Hello, what BS are you spewing about? Your 7 votes will not do anything. With or without your vote, 80 PAP votes will ensure that whatever bill they table in parliament will be passed. And that means the wayang reduced salary package would be passed, regardless of how WP voted
Parliament is the PAP's rubber stamp. With morons like you, no wonder S'pore is still a dictatorship. Sheesh.
There are good bills and just laws, just as there are bad bills and unjust laws. A responsible opposition will vote for the former, and against the latter. Above all vote according to your principles and ideological stance, so that the electorate knows what you stand for.
That said, I didn't think Papsmearer was referring to 'all bills'.
I can understand his frustration, which is shared by many oppo supporters, some of whom are/were actually WP supporters (like winniepegjets).
The overall thrust of his message is, opposition supporters had high expectations for WP when they won a GRC and subsequently two by-elections, but are increasingly being disappointed by their performance in parliament and their perceived silence on several key national issues.
With great power comes great responsibility. It's only natural that being the strongest oppo party and the only one with elected MPs comes with the territory of leading the people's fight against a tyrannical regime. Also, if kiasi Sinkies can see that 7 oppo MPs can make a difference, they'll be willing to vote in 70 more.
There are good bills and just laws, just as there are bad bills and unjust laws. A responsible opposition will vote for the former, and against the latter. Above all vote according to your principles and ideological stance, so that the electorate knows what you stand for.
It did not matter who SgParent was responding to. I was pointing out his illogical reasoning that if a small party votes no, it will mean vetoing the bill. Or winning seats in parliament means a party is doing the right thing. (PAP has won 80 seats; and the people are suffering.) It's irrational supporters like him that can give a party a bad name.
That said, I didn't think Papsmearer was referring to 'all bills'. I can understand his frustration, which is shared by many oppo supporters, some of whom are/were actually WP supporters (like winniepegjets). The overall thrust of his message is, opposition supporters had high expectations for WP when they won a GRC and subsequently two by-elections, but are increasingly being disappointed by their performance in parliament and their perceived silence on several key national issues.
With great power comes great responsibility. It's only natural that being the strongest oppo party and the only one with elected MPs comes with the territory of leading the people's fight against a tyrannical regime. Also, if kiasi Sinkies can see that 7 oppo MPs can make a difference, they'll be willing to vote in 70 more.
in your dream yes.There are good bills and just laws, just as there are bad bills and unjust laws. A responsible opposition will vote for the former, and against the latter.
disagree.It did not matter who SgParent was responding to. I was pointing out his illogical reasoning that if a small party votes no, it will mean vetoing the bill. Or winning seats in parliament means a party is doing the right thing. (PAP has won 80 seats; and the people are suffering.) It's irrational supporters like him that can give a party a bad name.
sure. agree evenThat said, I didn't think Papsmearer was referring to 'all bills'. I can understand his frustration, which is shared by many oppo supporters, some of whom are/were actually WP supporters (like winniepegjets). The overall thrust of his message is, opposition supporters had high expectations for WP when they won a GRC and subsequently two by-elections, but are increasingly being disappointed by their performance in parliament and their perceived silence on several key national issues..
actually street-talks is that 7 oppo already put the white scums on defensive on a few issues.With great power comes great responsibility. It's only natural that being the strongest oppo party and the only one with elected MPs comes with the territory of leading the people's fight against a tyrannical regime. Also, if kiasi Sinkies can see that 7 oppo MPs can make a difference, they'll be willing to vote in 70 more.
then why certain "star" candidates couldn't even score 40%?The problem with some supporters mostly SDP hardcore is they tend to look at all issues in the sense of good or bad, right or wrong, Pro or anti. Hence they assume that all 40% who voted opposition are homogeneously the same while 60% are pro PAP.
i think many here thought we are already in the final round and foreman/white scums is already a spent force. that's why they grew frustrated why wp has not gone all out offensive yet.Above incidents showed that when faced with something much mightier, direct confrontation may not work. Patience, subtle use of others to weaken, employing carefully selected issues to frustrate, avoiding mistakes,..... that is the art of war. Hopefully, what we are seeing now is part of the process.
what has the extra $ for the poor true pink singaporean students got to do with free scholarships for foreigners?What merits? Give a paltry few hundred bucks here, but millions of dollars of full scholarships for foreigners?
pls refer to my above reply.That's a lie. Your 7 votes will not deny the extra $, because 80 votes will say yes.
Your 7 votes will tell the people what your stand is, and what your party believes in, and why it cannot align its principles with the ruling party's.
What is a good bill or bad bill? Things you consider bad might be good to others vice versa.
Granted that they are not PAP supporters either, but because they serve PAP's purpose in a way, they do not hate PAP as they try to sound but it comes from selfish motives of wanting to see "heat" in politics and not getting it.