Tharman not truthful about tax, twists stats to confuse

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Monday, 11 March 2013Tharman not truthful about tax, twists stats to confuse
at 7:53:00 am by Barrie
Tharman Shanmugaratnam is telling Singaporeans half truth. He says that more than 55% of Singaporeans do not pay income tax. But under the GST system, EVERYONE pays tax. We are worse off than the progressive tax system.

Here is a republication of ST's report, which is also all about telling half truths. Progressivity 'not for its own sake'


THE true test of Singapore's tax system is not how progressive it looks, but how it actually helps Singaporeans have better lives, said Deputy Prime Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam.
...snip...

"The litmus test is whether it will truly help lower- and middle-income Singaporeans have better lives. And that's not a question with straightforward answers in tax policy, or in spending policy," said Mr Tharman, who is Finance Minister.

...snip...

To that end, he emphasised that the income tax schedule is already highly progressive. More than 55 per cent of Singaporeans already do not pay any income tax.

Right. That's the half truth part. Now here's how the snake twists the stats....


Also, the marginal income tax schedule does not run from zero to 20 per cent. Rather, with Workfare Income Supplement, which is paid to low-wage workers, it acts like a negative income tax, extending the tax schedule backwards to minus 30 per cent.

"So our true income tax schedule is actually from minus 30 per cent to plus 20 per cent... It's 50 percentage points. Highly progressive," he said.

No data is given to support the claim above. What we have instead are three graphs to illustrate as shown below.


It can be assumed that because the lower decile groups get rebates and benefits while paying no income tax, they are considered paying "negative tax". Clever play of words, with such an opaque data to wonder what the heck it is all about.

This data is useless on its own. What we need to see is a comparison between the current tax system, which includes the GST on all goods and services, and compare that with what a progressive tax system is like. Only then can we see the real thing.

If the GST is removed, definitely we need to recover the revenue from somewhere. The obvious place is from the rich. So what happens in a progressive tax system is the income tax paid by the rich will shoot up, while the lowest group may also have to pay some amount. But we will see that the lowest group end up paying a less amount on TOTAL tax under the progressive system, because they won't be paying GST anymore.

However, because there is GST, even the poor will have to pay a tax which is higher than if we had progressive income tax. Here is an illustration how much an average person has to pay for GST a year.

If Average Tax paid per Household is $2463, would you be mad? Well, you just paid that!

- http://wherebearsroamfree.blogspot.sg/2013/03/tharman-not-truthful-about-tax-twists.html
 
Dumb fuck opposition supporting retard. Tharman meant income tax, not GST. Idiots can't differentiate between GST and income tax
 
Every country has its direct and indirect taxes.

In OZ, not only are income tax rates sky high, the GST rates are higher too.

The rich are probably hit harder in Singapore than in most other countries because Singapore laws give them no wriggle room whatsoever.

In countries such as OZ and NZ, the rich can exploit all sorts of loopholes to reduce their tax burden significantly and that includes the use of family trusts where revenue is diverted so that it is taxed at a lower rate.

When a rich prick buys a Ferrari in NZ, he pays very little in extra taxes compared to someone who's buying a Toyota Yaris.

In Singapore, a Ferrari owner will have to pay more than $ 1.5 MILLION in additional taxes compared to someone who's buying a small car.
 
I don't mind paying whatever taxes but I just don't want to be conned every time the white scums wants to raise something and in return they offer what type of shit rebate! LOL
 
Consumption tax is the most regressive tax ...why should a person earning $50k a year have to pay proportionally higher tax than someone who earns $200k a year?
On consumption of $40k, the gst amount is $2800; but the person earning 50k is paying 5.6 pct in taxes while the guy making 200k pay taxes of 1.4 pct! So, the GST of 7 percent is NOT truly 7 percent for all. It is a smokescreen to hide the true impact of taxes on the poor and middle class.
 
Consumption tax is the most regressive tax ...why should a person earning $50k a year have to pay proportionally higher tax than someone who earns $200k a year?
On consumption of $40k, the gst amount is $2800; but the person earning 50k is paying 5.6 pct in taxes while the guy making 200k pay taxes of 1.4 pct! So, the GST of 7 percent is NOT truly 7 percent for all. It is a smokescreen to hide the true impact of taxes on the poor and middle class.

You are being just as dishonest as the PAP. A person who is earning 200k obviously consumes far more than someone earning 50K. The exceptions would be few and far between.

However, if a 200k earner opted to consume only 40k of goods and services per year, that's his prerogative and the consumption taxes saved are a reward for his prudence. He still has to pay a much higher rate on his income in direct taxes.

Consumption taxes encourage saving which benefits everyone.
 
You might as well say why should a person with taxable income of more than $40k pays 10% while the one who earn $500k pays 20%.

So who has much more money after even paying 20%?

The issue here is, any system in any country favors the rich.

So BE RICH! LOL
 
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The issue here is, any system in any country favors the rich.
So BE RICH! LOL

No tax system in the world is "fair" because each person has has his own unique story to tell.

Let's not compare rich vs poor as it's an emotional debate not a rational one.

Let's compare two people who are both making the same product to sell.

A and B both make umbrellas.

A makes 20 a day and sells them to a retailer at $4 each

B works twice as hard and is also more efficient so he makes 50 per day and sells them to a retailer at $3.90 each.

Should B be penalised with a higher tax rate for working twice as hard?
 
Canada is a 1st world nation & has a gst but they don't charge on essentials.

Food bought in the supermarket are exempt from gst.
Medicines are exempt from gst.
Medical services are exempt from gst.
Educational services are exempt from gst.
....

As Spore has THE highest paid civil servants in the world it is not surprising because they need the $$$$ to pay these millionaire salaries.
 
No tax system in the world is "fair" because each person has has his own unique story to tell.

Let's not compare rich vs poor as it's an emotional debate not a rational one.

Let's compare two people who are both making the same product to sell.

A and B both make umbrellas.

A makes 20 a day and sells them to a retailer at $4 each

B works twice as hard and is also more efficient so he makes 50 per day and sells them to a retailer at $3.90 each.

Should B be penalised with a higher tax rate for working twice as hard?

lets not go into this "hard working" business man and "stupid" business bull shit.
this is just your own stupid theory.
:D:D:D:D:D


how about remisiers A whose clients are the wealthy and they trade in the millions ,
remisier B clients are just the ordinary salaried sinkies and they trade in thousands only.
you mean remisier A is very hard working and smart and B is stupid and lazy ?
he just got the right connection.
how about brokers selling bungalows , maisonettes and those selling pigeon holes ?
 
lets not go into this "hard working" business man and "stupid" business bull shit.
this is just your own stupid theory.
:D:D:D:D:D


how about remisiers A whose clients are the wealthy and they trade in the millions ,
remisier B clients are just the ordinary salaried sinkies and they trade in thousands only.
you mean remisier A is very hard working and smart and B is stupid and lazy ?
he just got the right connection.
how about brokers selling bungalows , maisonettes and those selling pigeon holes ?

then the brokers and remisiers need to work harder in networking in order to be connect to the rich folks.

it never a fair world, fair as a word has no crediblilty.
 
lets not go into this "hard working" business man and "stupid" business bull shit.
this is just your own stupid theory.
:D:D:D:D:D
how about remisiers A whose clients are the wealthy and they trade in the millions ,
remisier B clients are just the ordinary salaried sinkies and they trade in thousands only.
you mean remisier A is very hard working and smart and B is stupid and lazy ?
he just got the right connection.
how about brokers selling bungalows , maisonettes and those selling pigeon holes ?

not forgetting those PAP MPs who received director fees from as much as 40 companies for using their names only.
 
Bravo...

Many intellects called for GST exemption of essential items, but as usual, all went to PAP deaf ears.
The system and policies make Sinkies to become beggars, as they have to approach MPs , CDCs, various agencies for financial assistance.



Canada is a 1st world nation & has a gst but they don't charge on essentials.

Food bought in the supermarket are exempt from gst.
Medicines are exempt from gst.
Medical services are exempt from gst.
Educational services are exempt from gst.
....

As Spore has THE highest paid civil servants in the world it is not surprising because they need the $$$$ to pay these millionaire salaries.
 
I can't believe anyone still believes anything Tharman says after THIS:

[video=youtube;4X61EJk3oaM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X61EJk3oaM[/video]
 
I am ready for a post-Leegime Singapore and 80% of the fake scholars unemployed. It is already in the making.
 
Bravo...

Many intellects called for GST exemption of essential items, but as usual, all went to PAP deaf ears.
The system and policies make Sinkies to become beggars, as they have to approach MPs , CDCs, various agencies for financial assistance.


I'm just a digit & a "lesser mortal" & I'm seeing that the PAP has taken advantage their position.
Which other country is paying their civil servants millions :confused: Civil servants are liability because they are a burden to any country & Spore is no exception.

This GST issue may just be the tip of an iceberg. Hiding behind a veil of secrecy just isn't acceptable excuse. Companies are expected to be audited regularly & I don't see why Spore Inc should be any different. If they want to run this place like a company then they should face the same requirement.

What if LKY & LHL are behind a ponzi scheme:eek:
 
Not only he twists to confuse, he hides to cheat as well.
I bet not many see the details in their PUB bills.
First we have water borne fee for what I don't know
Second, we have water conservation tax which is 30% of your total consumption
This conservation tax was necessary when we had a drought and also at a time Malaysia was threatening to shut down the supply during the failed water talk in the 90's.
By the year 2010 two New-Water Plants were commissioned and were exporting bottles by millions....in another word we have more than enough. The Conservation Tax remains and nobody questions. The poor whose family is bigger pays more in taxes than the rich who has a smaller nucleus

 
The poor whose family is bigger pays more in taxes than the rich who has a smaller nucleus

The surcharge is there to encourage prudence and careful use of water resources. Water is a precious commodity in this day and age. Wars will be fought over water resources in the future.

Condoms are cheap. If the poor don't want to use them and choose to have larger families, it's their prerogative.
 
The surcharge is there to encourage prudence and careful use of water resources. Water is a precious commodity in this day and age. Wars will be fought over water resources in the future.

Condoms are cheap. If the poor don't want to use them and choose to have larger families, it's their prerogative.

Wars have been fought over pussies and that never stopped you from starting your sexSite. :eek:

So, what's your point again Sam? :rolleyes:
 
The surcharge is there to encourage prudence and careful use of water resources. Water is a precious commodity in this day and age. Wars will be fought over water resources in the future.

Condoms are cheap. If the poor don't want to use them and choose to have larger families, it's their prerogative.

To encourage prudence and careful use is one thing but to disguise it as a form to tax is dishonest and deceiving. That's cheating!
 
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