LKT: It is not for me to decide whether 3-corner fight or not.

[Sideswipe]

Would you entertain SDP if you are LTK?

no. WP are doing very well alone. why could they want to enter into an opposition alliance ? it's understandable for the rest of opposition parties to want to ride on the coattails of WP's popularity for elections.

 

[Kinana]

no. WP are doing very well alone. why could they want to enter into an opposition alliance ? it's understandable for the rest of opposition parties to want to ride on the coattails of WP's popularity for elections.

You are partly right.
WP can play arrogant even though, in perspective, they are not exactly doing very well.
Or they can for the sake of political correctness and to feel your opponent, simply meet up.

I would meet up with SDP if I am LTK. No harm meeting. don't burn bridges.

 

[yellowarse]

Would you entertain SDP if you are LTK?

Depends.

If my aim is to oust the PAP in the shortest possible time, I would. Not just SDP, but also rope in all the oppo parties to deny PAP a majority in 2016.

If my aim is to build up my party gradually to become the alternative party in a 2-party system, I wouldn't. I'd chip away at PAP's dominance bit by bit, a GRC or 2 at a time, while trying to unify all opposition supporters behind my party as the sole opposition representative for a shot at govt in the distant future.

No right or wrong answers here. Just what your objective is, and the appropriate strategies to get you there.

 

[Kinana]

Depends.

If my aim is to oust the PAP in the shortest possible time, I would. Not just SDP, but also rope in all the oppo parties to deny PAP a majority in 2016.

First of all, that will not happen and WP will therefore not think along that line. WP also knows that they are not ready to take over Singapore.

One question I would liek to ask you is, are you against the policies of PAP or the party per se and for what reason if you do?

If my aim is to build up my party gradually to become the alternative party in a 2-party system, I wouldn't. I'd chip away at PAP's dominance bit by bit, a GRC or 2 at a time, while trying to unify all opposition supporters behind my party as the sole opposition representative for a shot at govt in the distant future.

No other opposition party will want a two party system would they? so why would they want to unify with you especially when you say you wouldn't meet them? Sounds kinda contradictory isn't it?

No right or wrong answers here. Just what your objective is, and the appropriate strategies to get you there.

You gotta think thru your objectives and what they are you objectives.

 

[tanwahp]

I don't have the link, but CSJ has stated before that he's more than willing to let WP take the lead in an alliance. The problem has always been getting WP to the table.

SDP is not the only party always wanting to talk to WP. SDA and RP also want to talk to WP. It won't stop there. They do not want to talk to one another outside WP and that speaks volumes.

If I were to do my calculations from WP's point of view, I will be busy entertaining all the opposition parties of the land. What purpose can it achieve? If WP asks others to withdraw out of unity, there will be one more label or paint of arrogance. If WP always withdraws for other parties, they might as well close shop.

That is why WP doesn't talk about unity. That is better than talking about it, not following it and blaming someone else for them not following it. That is what the SDP did and that unity is what I think some SDP supporters try not to highlight too much now.

 

[Narong Wongwan]

End of the day its up to the voters........the opposition can only do so much.
60.1% of fucktards still cannot not feel the heat of the fire burning their backsides from pappy policies then so be it.
No need to over analyse or what strategy......however oppressive the white scums makes it.......eveyone still gets to vote.........everyone is free to stand and free to vote....that's basic democracy.....want to blame then blame the 60.1% of dumbfucks.

 

[The_Hypocrite]

what makes the better candidate...???good at speaking? handsome? pretty? sexy? gay? lesbian? will vincent really be a better candidate than who WP nominates?

Good question.

Personally, I think the best opposition candidate should contest, regardless of party. If WP has the better candidate, let them go one-on-one with the PAP. If SDP's candidate is superior to the rest, WP should give way.

A 3-way fight would give victory to PAP on a platter.

 

[rusty]

Would you entertain SDP if you are LTK?

Honey, who would you entertain when I am no longer around?

 

[kongsimi]

Give WP a strong mandate in Parliament lah.

Any other oppositions they will be lonely in Parliament.

He or she is the odd one out.

Who will go lunch with him?

 

[ilovesingapore]

End of the day its up to the voters........the opposition can only do so much.
60.1% of fucktards still cannot not feel the heat of the fire burning their backsides from pappy policies then so be it.
No need to over analyse or what strategy......however oppressive the white scums makes it.......eveyone still gets to vote.........everyone is free to stand and free to vote....that's basic democracy.....want to blame then blame the 60.1% of dumbfucks.

narong i vote you for PE!!! you a very fiery speaker!!! unlike that stupid bugger laksaboy who only interested in gay and necrophilic activities!!!

 

[The_Hypocrite]

No lah,,i totally disagree on proportional representation,,as it will cause further fragmentation..what I want is an end too all this gerrymandering,.GRCs etc..what should be done is:

1) all Parliamentary seats are Single member constituencies.
2) Constituencies are determine by population size with 2% variance. For example Punggol SMC, will have 50 000 residents + - 2000 residents..None or all those redrawing boundaries at the last minute etc...
3) Electoral boundary to be announced 2 years in advanced before next GE
4) Electoral commission to be fully independent,,to be overseen by a committee of ruling and oppo MPs..
5) 4 year fixed term elections. Current system of 5 years is too long.. we use the USA system whereby election always held at this year 4 years after last election and on this date..like 1 july etc
6) If any serving MP is incapacitated, elections to be held within 6mths unless its an election year.

These are straight forward open rules which are clear cut and everyone knows where the lines are..none of the current bullshit which give PAP unlimited power in doing what it wants to do...

That is exactly the problem. No party, except the smallest of parties, would not mind WP playing big brother. If this is possible, a lot of the Opposition problem will be solved.

I too think proportion representation is the way to go. Singapore is too fragmented. Only if we can agree that a true simple majority will carry the day and if it is very close, the losing parties can still carry their proportional weight, there is some hope to move forward.

Proportional representation fits this requirement closest. Even though it is cumbersome to implement, it is worth the trouble. In Singapore, the big debate is not on philosophical systems but on management and on how much of which. We should not encounter too much of dichotomy in views, particularly around the middle ground.

 

[Sideswipe]

No lah,,i totally disagree on proportional representation,,as it will cause further fragmentation..what I want is an end too all this gerrymandering,.GRCs etc..what should be done is:

1) all Parliamentary seats are Single member constituencies.
2) Constituencies are determine by population size with 2% variance. For example Punggol SMC, will have 50 000 residents + - 2000 residents..None or all those redrawing boundaries at the last minute etc...
3) Electoral boundary to be announced 2 years in advanced before next GE
4) Electoral commission to be fully independent,,to be overseen by a committee of ruling and oppo MPs..

These are straight forward open rules which are clear cut and everyone knows where the lines are..none of the current bullshit which give PAP unlimited power in doing what it wants to do...

there are full-proportional and semi-proportional system. i believe that the semi-proportional system ( parallel voting ) is perfect for singapore.

we can have all single seat constituencies but this will not solve the problem of unequal votes to seats representation under first past the post. this FPTP only works well in a system where only two parties get any significant proportion of votes, when one party like PAP get 60% of votes, the results become extremely distorted: 60% votes and 90% seats.

there is no fully independent electoral commission. it's always controlled by the present government. the oppositions will always complain of unfair gerrymandering by the electoral body which favored the ruling party. proportional representation will ensure there is proportionality across the country, to correct the disproportionality created by single-MP constituencies and the impact of gerrymandering.

 

[Fook Seng]

Who will go lunch with him?

Definitely not the new Speaker of the House. She takes only halal food. Try the clerk.

 

[Boliao]

WP had contested the seat previously, he added, indicating it had therefore prior claim.

using this logic, will WP give up Tampines GRC to NSP next GE ? NSP have contested three consecutive times in Tampines since GE2001.

people shouldn't twist and turn just to suit their position. i wish...

Do you know if LTK really made that claim? Or is it just Chee's assumption?What does Chee hope to happen by telling tales to ST?

 

[Fook Seng]

1) all Parliamentary seats are Single member constituencies.

Most people have the misunderstanding that having all single member seats, the problem of fair representation is resolved. It is very far from the truth. As long as it is still FPTP, a 40% popular vote will still not get you the one third of the seats. This is the law of large numbers. That is why people thought of proportional representation to give fairer representation even though the process can be quite complicated.

 

[Fook Seng]

Nope, thats what your master LTK thinks.

LTK is not my master. I don't even know him.

 

[Fook Seng]

One question I would liek to ask you is, are you against the policies of PAP or the party per se and for what reason if you do?

I shall give you the pleasure to know my answer to your question. Here goes: I am against the policies of the PAP and I also do not like the party per se for the way they conduct themselves and the main reason is that they are a fucked up party.

 

[The_Hypocrite]

ah fOOK AH,.yes the stupid ang mors came up with such a system... but proportional representation has become the tyranny of the minority,,,i rather dont let that happen...look if the election is a fair one...people will not be soo easily hoowinked by the PAP,,,if have single seat like in Anson,,oppos will have a higher chance of winning....LTK has explained how the GRC is used to give PAP the advantage together with its gerrymandering,..if there is a proper fair press in sinkie land,,the people can make the informed decisions,,if all is fair...do u think Wong Kan Seng etc can win the seat?

Most people have the misunderstanding that having all single member seats, the problem of fair representation is resolved. It is very far from the truth. As long as it is still FPTP, a 40% popular vote will still not get you the one third of the seats. This is the law of large numbers. That is why people thought of proportional representation to give fairer representation even though the process can be quite complicated.

 

[3_M]

Yes, that's ideal. I've always advocated an opposition alliance to wrest the majority of seats and form a coalition government, unseating the PAP in the process. It is still doable, if WP (as the dominant opposition party) would deign to come to the table with the other opposition parties for GE2016. I'm sure the other parties would not mind WP playing the big brother role in an alliance.

With all the clowns in opposition, the alliance is as strong as it weakest link. That not going to create any dent on PAP. Instead focus should be on intra- party building rather than inter- party alliance. Create competition amongst opposition and get rid of the weaker ones. The stronger one will emerge to challenge PAP.

Hence I support multi corner fight for this BE.

 

[Fook Seng]

what makes the better candidate...???good at speaking? handsome? pretty? sexy? gay? lesbian? will vincent really be a better candidate than who WP nominates?

Further if you want to analyse who is good at speaking, a lot depends on the listener. Some listeners like the speaker to speak with an Oxford tongue. So if the speaker received his education in UK, he has an advantage. Incidentally, are most people aware that in UK, there are illiterate people who can speak perfect English but cannot read and there are people who can speak and read well but cannot count? Very likely these listeners would also appreciate the speaker to speak in long complex sentences, reminiscent of Victorian time. If he can mystify you with his speech, talking well above your head, that would be best.

On the other hand, there are listeners who like speakers who can entertain them in the most authentic Singlish. Anything less is a no no.

Basically, the successful politician must be one who understands his audience and where to touch base with them. Sometimes the same
tricks used too often can become stale and ineffective. Or try borrowing tricks from some other speakers. It can really fall very flat.

My thinking is that if Nicole Seah were to cry again in a rally, it will not have the same effect as before. For one thing, she is two years older and people don't expect such an older person to cry. That is why Lim Boon Heng's crying did not score the desired points.