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Breaking News!Pastor Kong Hee And Pastors Arrested And Charge!

soIsee

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Again, it's a matter of faith. CHC members are confident that they'll be with Jesus and Kong Hee in heaven after death, and Teo Chee Hean, Chan Chun Sing and the others are just hellbound crooks who're persecuting an anointed servant of God. Secular rulers and authorities would have no power if God hadn't given it to them.

Vengeance is mine, I'll repay, saith the Lord. So Teo Chee Hean and the others had better watch the fuck out.

You think Teo, kee Chui and the rest of the gang including their God Father scare of the servants and their God?

No leh, Lightning gang only worship Money God and the power from this God will flatten any zombie or Ah Con's God.

They have a very good messenger Ho Ching that sents loads of money out all the time, to pacify their God leh!:biggrin:
 

Jumong

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I spoke to a few acquaintances who worshipped at CHC. The truth is these people believe in the charges filed against their leaders, and are worried that they could no longer introduce their friends and colleagues to CHC. The hardcore supporters are really from the inner circle and are putting up a brave front to stem off a massive exodus of members. The thing that CHC is really worried is financial contributions from members week in week out.
 

tanwahp

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I spoke to a few acquaintances who worshipped at CHC. The truth is these people believe in the charges filed against their leaders, and are worried that they could no longer introduce their friends and colleagues to CHC. The hardcore supporters are really from the inner circle and are putting up a brave front to stem off a massive exodus of members. The thing that CHC is really worried is financial contributions from members week in week out.

The CHC has grown to such a way where its overheads are very high - staff, building maintenance, property taxes etc. Reduction in donations will surely affect them.

There will surely be an exodus after this and one more should KH and the rest be found guilty. In fact after they were first investigated in 2010, the congregation dropped from 33,000 to 23,000. I would expect the worse case scenario to happen would bring membership down to about 10,000 to 15,000.
 

kazuo

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Putting away these jokers will not change anything.

The party continues with many other Pied Pipers still leading the mice.

I don't know what NCCS does, probably nothing much as complaints about CHC has been going for years and years but no action been taken at all.

I basically agree with the notion that CHC people must has offended the MIW somehow.

Bro NCC has been audited and they passed the test. External audit took place around the same time as that of CHC, and it was during this round of procedure that the cracks were found on CHC's armour.
So NCC is clean, and I would think many bigger churches are clean. like you said, pp have been murmuring about KH and co for many yrs now, as far back as perhaps 10 yrs ago. There was the good sod Roland Poon who tried blowing the whistle.

And the end of the day, it's simple. God declares in the bible that He himself will smite the candle of the church if it is corrupt. it's all there in the Bible!
 

drifter

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Closest we have to this case is that of Father Joachim Kang. Given the quatum and scale of the case, Kong Hee should be looking at 7 to 10 yrs. Do you think Sun Ho will stay faithful for such a long time?

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SINGAPORE: His redemption is now complete. After his release from jail last year, and the end of his home detention scheme last month, Father Joachim Kang now has been restored fully to his duties as a priest.

The decision had been made last week by the head of the Catholic Church in Singapore, Archbishop Nicholas Chia, and revealed to churchgoers on Sunday in the church's fortnightly newsletter, Catholic News.

It carried a statement by the Archbishop to say that Father Kang would be offered a "meaningful ministry" so that his talents could be "used for the good of the Church".

Father Kang had been convicted in 2004 for embezzling S$5.1 million from St Teresa's Church in Kampong Bahru.

Last year, he was put on a home detention scheme, during which time he found work with the law firm of Colin Ng and Partners.

With the lifting of sanctions imposed by the Church, he will now be able to offer public masses, preach and "fulfil the other sacred functions of the priesthood", said Archbishop Chia.

"He has done time under the law and I'm most happy to welcome him home to the Catholic community. As Archbishop and shepherd, I rejoice with him and his family. With the love and support of the church community, I hope that he will embrace the future with confidence," said the Archbishop.

For now, Father Kang has been granted home leave to spend time with his family, especially his aged father.

how long this pestor kang was sentence to jail ?
 

drifter

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let's wait for court ruling then. as i said, can't be bothered with what they do in-house...none of my concern, if people choose to give their money because of their faith. I am an atheist.

if everyone are like you bo chap then the world will become like what ? we as a human must raise concern when things go wrong .
 

kazuo

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If proven he touched the money for personal use and no matter what the church say that money was not lost and all returned with interest, it is still not right.

The law deals with intention. If u stab a person, and later pay for his medical bill in full, your guilty conscience is not going to attenuate your culpability to harm that person. So it doesn't matter if you put back $50m
and tell pp you managed to pay back initial sum plus interest. Once the law is able to establish that you had the intention to steal, that alone is enough to incriminate a person.
 

tanwahp

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Bro NCC has been audited and they passed the test. External audit took place around the same time as that of CHC, and it was during this round of procedure that the cracks were found on CHC's armour.
So NCC is clean, and I would think many bigger churches are clean. like you said, pp have been murmuring about KH and co for many yrs now, as far back as perhaps 10 yrs ago. There was the good sod Roland Poon who tried blowing the whistle.

NCC had quietly surpassed CHC as the biggest megachurch in Singapore. They now have a 25,000 congregration compared to 23,000 of CHC. In the past, CHC had 33,000, NCC had around 20,000.
 

drifter

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If a few members of the sgp govt are corrupt.

Will you not believe in sgp govt?

The universe just happens to big bang in once in a million chance.

Humans happens to appear on earth in once a million chance.

Humans just appeared to be evolved from cells into full size adults once in a million chance.

That is a load of bull I would say.

would you believe in chen shui bian if he run taiwan ? so you believe that human made of dirt created in less then 6 days ? :wink:
 

kazuo

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NCC had quietly surpassed CHC as the biggest megachurch in Singapore. They now have a 25,000 congregration compared to 23,000 of CHC. In the past, CHC had 33,000, NCC had around 20,000.

An organisation is expected to grow. But no one would like to see growth that comes about through wanton and devious means. The thing about NCC is that JP has never coerced pp into giving money, contrary to so many brickbats here (which I am sure were misquoted from third hand sources that are inaccurate in the first place). There have been so many NCC detractors who used to bad mouth JP all the time, they were shocked to find how wrong and misinformed they were when they finally sat down and listened to JP preach a sermon. A little knowledge is indeed a dangerous thing
 
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drifter

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Re: Did the police make the call before they arrest Kong Hee?

Just came back from Sub Court .


The Buzz there :


A few more people will be Charged soon .


Also heard that Kee Chui was upset (the letter ) and no respect for him


and his office .


All these statements here and statements there by CHC and executive members

show no respect for the law .


These jokers forgot to read their Bible : ie obey govt and authorities .

its good to let the goverment know that those religious freak are very dangerous ...if we dont show them who is in control in singapore they will get out of hands and put a threat to singapore security ...there will be a holy war in singapore soon if the goverment do not show them who is the real boss . i have a feeling , theres a street protest coming up :wink:
 
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Leckmichamarsch

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I suspect part of the church funds also goes to the boobs enlargement operation for Sun Ho and the vaginal tightening surgery for her cheebye..


How to tighten with so many black cocks having entered? I think more entries than Annabel Chong had........
 

BuiKia

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Ex-CHC member comes out to express disappointment

By Samuel Caleb Wee
Source: Facebook

Like many other Singaporeans, I was disappointed when i found out the full extent of the City Harvest Church financial misconduct case. Unlike many other Singaporeans, however, I found out about the details a good two years ago.

I won't go into detail about how I found out about the case, out of respect for the friend who shared it with me. The amount of time I've spend wrestling with my feelings on this issue, however, has given me a perspective I'd like to share, since this is a matter close to my heart.

My relationship with City Harvest Church is a complex one. I started attending the church in 2005, first as a cynical atheist, then gradually, through a process of intellectual and spiritual exploration, as a reluctant believer.

When I finally did come around in 2006, the teenaged me leaped into church involvement enthusiastically, surprising my family and friends. Several heated arguments ensued—at times charged with spite and vitriol. I remember feeling as how I imagine most CHC members must be feeling now: persecuted, misunderstood, disrespected for my choice of religion by people who were all too quick to jump to conclusions about the pastor I was so fiercely loyal to.

Nevertheless I started getting heavily involved in church, participating in church dramas, helping out with the cell group leadership. I gave out of my part-time income to the Building Fund, I tithed regularly while enthusiastically helping to organize evangelistic events for my cell group, obsessing every week about the headcount for the weekend service.

All the while I never really doubted the integrity and sincerity of the church. Pastor Kong, after all, seemed nothing if not authentic: his voice would rise with conviction when he preached, quavering with emotion when he was moved, and his eyes would regularly well up with tears during worship, ostensibly out of passion and pure emotion from God. What a guy, I thought.

Sometime around the end of 2007, though, I decided to end my active involvement in the church for reasons both personal and doctrinal: I had run into a spot of disagreement with my cell group leader and anyway I was starting to become increasingly uneasy with the principles espoused by the church. Nevertheless, I still believed that the management were sincere, though perhaps sincerely misguided.

Over the next three years I would find the church harder to shake than I imagined: people affiliated with the church would pop up in my life in some form or the other, whether as a lover, a bandmate, a colleague or a schoolmate...over the next few years I found myself returning to the church for several services.

The straw that finally broke the camel's back came with the Christmas of '09, when I came across a flyer appealing for advertisers to fund the church Christmas drama. The flyer promised a target market of over 50,000 people, even as the church passionately preached to its congregation about the evangelistic need to break a record and expose 50,000 new friends to Christ.

I remember shaking my head with disbelief at how incredibly wrong it felt to me. I left the church for good then, though I still kept in contact with several close friends still attending.

A few months later in early 2010, the news broke that the management was being investigated for financial mismanagement. The response then was similar to now: the general reaction was one of derision and scorn, while CHC members rallied together in a kind of siege mentality, insistently defending their pastor and their church, pointing to all that the church had done for them as proof that there must had been some mistake and that the world didn't understand. It was Romans and Christians all over again, they insisted.

I found out the details a few months later, and kept them to myself until today. I remember feeling—not much at all at first, actually. Hurt was a dominant emotion, after a while. Betrayal was another. Anger—anger clouded my vision for the longest time. Anger at hypocrisy, at deceit, at the exploitation of so many good-hearted people.

After a while the anger faded, replaced by a sort of hardened skepticism. I justified it to myself by separating the church from God—the institution is not the religion, I told myself, and when friends asked about my faith I would jokingly say that I was a fan of the Man, though I wasn't in the fan club. Still, there were moments when my skepticism bordered on cynicism. I had come full-circle, I thought, until then the news exploded all over Facebook today, and I realised that the anger was long gone. Instead all I had was sadness.

Sadness at the same old thing all over again: the derision from the general public.

The defensiveness and embarassed silence from some Christians.

The disgust from others, the sneer. You are not part of us, they said. We are us. You are them. Away from us. Go.

And most painful for me, from the CHC members I knew, just a very raw version of desperation and hurt. Of passionate rallying bordering on pleading: the world doesn't understand, look at what he's given us, look at what he's done, don't you understand, we don't mind that he lied, you can't put a price on this, you can't take this from us. You can't.

And I wanted to shake everybody out of their knee-jerk reactions: the Christians who poured scorn upon the church, the non-Christians making a casual joke out of somebody else's misery, the CHC members in painful denial.

Because it has been this way for too long, really, I think. And it's time to acknowledge the truth.

Listen, please, CHC members: This is not a matter of the world trying to persecute you. There is no devil trying to turn hearts against the church, there is no anti-CHC agenda, there is no media witchhunt out to crucify Kong Hee for crimes he didn't commit.

His crimes were serious: financial fraud, the misuse of donated monies, the appropriation of organizational funds into a personal bank account. This is a simple matter of a man who might have started out with pure intentions but then got greedy and then got scared and tried to hide the matter from the light of day, because he knew that the matter could not stand the light of day.

It's okay to admit that Kong Hee made a mistake. It's painful but important. It doesn't discount that fact that he might have helped many other people, that CHC has helped the poorest of the poor, the handicapped and the mentally retarded and the depressed, yes.

It does not take away from all the good that he did. But the good does not outweigh the mistake either.

The mistake exists, and it cannot be ignored or swept under a carpet.

Listen: The man is not the church, and the church is not God. God exists apart from City Harvest Church, and it is possible for City Harvest Church to fall short, just as it is possible for Kong Hee to fall short.

All have fallen short. All have fallen.

Forgiveness is present, but before there can be forgiveness there needs to be acceptance and acknowledgement of the mistake. Repeatedly, desperately trumpeting the various good things that Kong Hee has done just makes you look like you're trying to justify his deeds.

Does this mean we, the non-CHC members, have the right to mock, or laugh, or pour scorn upon the church then? Does this mean we have the right to vindictiveness, to snark, to derision?

Only in a version of Christianity, I think, where we are pure and sinless as well, which is no version of Christianity I know, or humanity, for that matter.

Yes, perhaps God is a God of justice as well as love, perhaps he is a God of righteousness and fairness as well.

And justice is big and justice is tough, but justice is not what we're thinking of when we draw a line in the sand and call them Them and say we are Us.

We were called to be so much more than this, you know. We were called to be salt. To be light. To bring grace and healing and mercy and forgiveness and love, oh love, love your neighbour as yourself, he said.

What have we done, what have we become?

Blinkered fools too proud, too ashamed, too afraid.

All the other Christians too vindictive to stop and find love for the church members who hurt too much to stop and admit the one they loved made a mistake, that this was not excusable, that faith was spilled and broken and a crime was committed.

Come on. This has been going on for far too long.

Can't we stop? Stop breaking the bruised reed. Stop quenching the smoking flax. Stop preaching our sermons in the mall and our sales pitches on the mount. We were meant to be salt and light, a city shining on a hill, but the lights have been on and nobody was home.

It seems to me that in our quest for godliness we often forget what it means to be human, what it means to be like that guy who stopped outside the grave of his best friend, crying, weeping, sobbing, Lazarus come forth, like that guy who comforted a humiliated adulterer and said, it's okay, it's okay, they won't hurt you now, I'm not judging you either, like that guy who hung upon a cross and looked at his mother and said, John, John, take care of her for me please, like that guy who sat upon a beach cooking breakfast for the people he loved the most, and instead we become like those whitewashed tombs and brood of vipers that that same guy loathed.

If we stop to remember what it means to be human, we might just remember that it's okay to admit our hypocrisy and our fakery and our ****edupness and set aside our differences and say we were all wrong. And then afterwards quietly get on with the business of loving each other as much as we all love ourselves.

All things work out for the good, they say, if you can see his purpose, and let's try to see a purpose here, perhaps.

Perhaps it's okay now that the lowest is here. Perhaps now we see that the good pastor wasn't perfect and that he was a sinner too, just like all of us.

Perhaps it's okay to admit we're not perfect to a world in front of which we often pretend to be. Perhaps this is a chance to turn our focus inwards and get our own house in order before we attempt to convert 50,000 non-believers.

Perhaps now we can forgive, and perhaps the death of this halo came at the right time.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/samu...ng-hee-chc-and-christianity/10151054826826458
 

aurvandil

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I am still waiting to for Sun Ho to be charged. Impossible that she did not know. Her role seems to be that of the legitimate business front to launder the money being stolen from CHC.
 
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