List of 44 men charged for sex with underaged teen

[Narong Wongwan]

wah the pimp gave away the particulars of the men so those men that joined have to give name, number, ic address and everything just like joining a country club for eg.

no la only phone number police can trace liao

 

[ah_phah]

i dont mean to rub salt, but sometimes i find its really quite ironic.

we all singaporeans really good at flipping prata. when GE coming, many ppl KPKB say salary not enough, housing expensive, 30yrs mortgage sipeh siong, gotta pay for car, COE can buy another car liao, gotta pay for maid, gotta give maid day off, not enough $ for ageing parents, not enough $ to raise kids... and the list goes on.

but, there are plenty who pay top dollar to poke super expensive pussies.

based on the news... defence is spot on! if the identity of the whore was bogus, nobody would know if she was indeed underaged or not. besides, if there's no victim, the prosecution cant press charges based on a phantom "whore".

i think defense has successfully made the public prosecutors look amatuer

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

I think that is only minor technicality. Eventually, the prostitute will be called as prosecution witness.

Goh Meng Seng

based on the news... defence is spot on! if the identity of the whore was bogus, nobody would know if she was indeed underaged or not. besides, if there's no victim, the prosecution cant press charges based on a phantom "whore".

i think defense has successfully made the public prosecutors look amatuer

 

[Khun Ying Pojaman]

I think that is only minor technicality. Eventually, the prostitute will be called as prosecution witness.

Goh Meng Seng

We're still not sure if the prostitute is a Singaporean. If she is not, it's unlikely that she is still in Singapore. If she happens to be a local citizen, I cannot think of any incentive on her part to testify on behalf of the prosecution. She is not your typical victim in a rape or molest case.

I'd be very surprised if she could remember all the 80 faces with whom she had a 90-minute tryst. My guess is at the moment all that the DPP have is the telephone numbers of the accused based on the records of the OKT. The accused could still admit that they did have sex with the stable of girls provided by the OKT, but not the particular minor prostitute in question.

How is the DPP going to prove that the accused was in the same room as the minor prostitute, and that actual intercourse took place?

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

In normal circumstances, law in many places just presume innocent unless proven guilty. But in Singapore's system, it is kind of different. Whenever the criminal case is brought to the court, you will be seen as guilty unless proven innocent.

The "authority" of the establishment cannot be "compromised" or seen as "wrong" unless there are glaring evidence to prove otherwise.

Take for example, once they find drugs in your bag, it will be assumed you are trafficking it even though someone might have sabo you by slipping it into your bag. And that, is mandatory death penalty.

Goh Meng Seng

We're still not sure if the prostitute is a Singaporean. If she is not, it's unlikely that she is still in Singapore. If she happens to be a local citizen, I cannot think of any incentive on her part to testify on behalf of the prosecution. She is not your typical victim in a rape or molest case.

I'd be very surprised if she could remember all the 80 faces with whom she had a 90-minute tryst. My guess is at the moment all that the DPP have is the telephone numbers of the accused based on the records of the OKT. The accused could still admit that they did have sex with the stable of girls provided by the OKT, but not the particular minor prostitute in question.

How is the DPP going to prove that the accused was in the same room as the minor prostitute, and that actual intercourse took place?

 

[Khun Ying Pojaman]

In normal circumstances, law in many places just presume innocent unless proven guilty. But in Singapore's system, it is kind of different. Whenever the criminal case is brought to the court, you will be seen as guilty unless proven innocent.

The "authority" of the establishment cannot be "compromised" or seen as "wrong" unless there are glaring evidence to prove otherwise.

Take for example, once they find drugs in your bag, it will be assumed you are trafficking it even though someone might have sabo you by slipping it into your bag. And that, is mandatory death penalty.

Goh Meng Seng

In the case of drug trafficking, there is a statutory presumption. But commercial sex with minor under 18 years of age doesn't seem to carry a similar presumption:

Commercial sex with minor under 18
376B.
—(1) Any person who obtains for consideration the sexual services of a person, who is under 18 years of age, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 7 years, or with fine, or with both.
[51/2007]
(2) Any person who communicates with another person for the purpose of obtaining for consideration, the sexual services of a person who is under 18 years of age, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 2 years, or with fine, or with both.
[51/2007]
(3) No person shall be guilty of an offence under this section for any sexual services obtained from that person’s spouse.
[51/2007]
(4) In this section, “sexual services” means any sexual services involving —
(a) sexual penetration of the vagina or anus, as the case may be, of a person by a part of another person’s body (other than the penis) or by anything else; or
(b) penetration of the vagina, anus or mouth, as the case may be, of a person by a man’s penis.



But looking at subsection (2), it seems that no actual sexual intercourse with the minor need take place. Communication with the OKT for such a purpose is sufficient, though it carries a lighter sentence.

 

[aurvandil]

We're still not sure if the prostitute is a Singaporean. If she is not, it's unlikely that she is still in Singapore. If she happens to be a local citizen, I cannot think of any incentive on her part to testify on behalf of the prosecution. She is not your typical victim in a rape or molest case.

I'd be very surprised if she could remember all the 80 faces with whom she had a 90-minute tryst. My guess is at the moment all that the DPP have is the telephone numbers of the accused based on the records of the OKT. The accused could still admit that they did have sex with the stable of girls provided by the OKT, but not the particular minor prostitute in question.

How is the DPP going to prove that the accused was in the same room as the minor prostitute, and that actual intercourse took place?

How do you know it is not the OKT who made a deal and is providing the information to prosecute the men. The date, time and location published by the papers look like they came out of an OKT's timesheet for managing the time clients have.

 

[Khun Ying Pojaman]

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[Khun Ying Pojaman]

How do you know it is not the OKT who made a deal and is providing the information to prosecute the men. The date, time and location published by the papers look like they came out of an OKT's timesheet for managing the time clients have.

I have no idea which part of my opinion says or impresses upon you that it's NOT the OKT who provided the information. Since day one the newspaper report has made it abundantly clear that it's the OKT who provided the information. And I did say "based on the records of the OKT."

But the issue is irrelevant now if subsection (2) does not require any actual sexual services between the client and the prostitute to take place.

 

[Rogue Trader]

Am I the only person who thinks the judiciary system has gone overboard by publishing the full names of the defendants?

They have been arrested, will be charged and duly punished by the law. Why ruin their lives?

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

It actually means that those being charged could have claimed that they didn't know she is underage. Thus, the prostitute may not even require to appear in court because what the prosecution needs is to get the OKT to be witness and say he told these clients the prostitute is underage.

I think this is why the charge sheet didn't specify the name of the prostitute.

Goh Meng Seng

I have no idea which part of my opinion says or impresses upon you that it's NOT the OKT who provided the information. Since day one the newspaper report has made it abundantly clear that it's the OKT who provided the information. And I did say "based on the records of the OKT."

But the issue is irrelevant now if subsection (2) does not require any actual sexual services between the client and the prostitute to take place.

 

[GoldenDragon]

no la only phone number police can trace liao

That's right.

I recall reading the raid was carried out by CID and PID officers. My hunch is that an anonymous complaint was lodged giving the contact number of the OKT. From there, 'technical' coverage led to the exposure of the clients. Further evidence and the most damaging one must be the documents detailing the biz transactions between clients and underaged gal.

 

[Fook Seng]

Your logic is so weird. These men chose to do it and risk their own reputation knowingly. Don't put all the blame on the prostitute.

As for Yaw, he deserved every bit of it, not only being an adulterer, but also as an irresponsible person, least to say, politician. It is easy for you to say it so lightly here; let's see whether you will still hold such view if the woman he slept with is your wife or your girlfriend or just your sister.

Goh Meng Seng

You are really a mean guy. The only reason why you are on this thread is find an excuse to bring YSL's name in. What has Yaw to do with a case which has something to do with sex with an underaged teenager which is a heinous crime.

 

[Sir_Fcuk]

Your logic is so weird. These men chose to do it and risk their own reputation knowingly.

Goh Meng Seng

There are a few military officers involved? CPT Goh, got hormat or not?

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

I am mean? Well, what do I have to do with this case? Apparently you and others like TFBH have double standards here. Like I say to TFBH, if you don't want people to make this into "WP bashing" thread, then what gives him the right to make it to "GMS bashing" thread?

BTW, I wasn't the one who mention YSL's name first; it was myfoot who tried to "defend" YSL!

Well, to be frank, this is no longer about YSL anymore. Apparently it is becoming the "WP Cheongster Brigade" problem.

Goh Meng Seng

You are really a mean guy. The only reason why you are on this thread is find an excuse to bring YSL's name in. What has Yaw to do with a case which has something to do with sex with an underaged teenager which is a heinous crime.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Oh, for the record, I have never said you and the rest are mean when you go on attacking me relentlessly.

I guess what WP needs to do now is to disband the "WP CB" aka "WP Cheongster Brigade".

Goh Meng Seng

You are really a mean guy. The only reason why you are on this thread is find an excuse to bring YSL's name in. What has Yaw to do with a case which has something to do with sex with an underaged teenager which is a heinous crime.

 

[RoyMcFarland]

According to the press reports, the girl is a Singaporean. And there are others waiting to be charged for the same offence. Don't know why they are not in the first list though...

As for the offence, my understanding is that it is not a crime to have sex with this girl, as she was already 16 years old. (charged with rape if below 16, even with consent) The problem is that these guys paid for it, as it is a crime if the girl is paid for sex if she's below 18. Correct? Looks like the only defense is to say that they did'nt know she was below 18. Probably true for a lot of them. And frankly, it does'nt look like she was forced into it, unlike some hardluck stories of young girls from third world countries....

 

[Khun Ying Pojaman]

It actually means that those being charged could have claimed that they didn't know she is underage. Thus, the prostitute may not even require to appear in court because what the prosecution needs is to get the OKT to be witness and say he told these clients the prostitute is underage.

I think this is why the charge sheet didn't specify the name of the prostitute.

Goh Meng Seng

You're probably right.

 

[THE_CHANSTER]

You reap what you sow...now let's have some photos of these players circulated into the public domain.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Looks like the only defense is to say that they did'nt know she was below 18. Probably true for a lot of them. And frankly, it does'nt look like she was forced into it, unlike some hardluck stories of young girls from third world countries....

Only if the man is below 23 yrs of age. Stated in the Penal Code, I think.