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http://sg.news.yahoo.com/australia-stops-cattle-exports-indonesia-043821669.html

Australia stops some cattle exports to Indonesia
APBy ROD McGUIRK - Associated Press | AP – Tue, May 31, 2011

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CANBERRA, Australia (AP) — The Australian government suspended live cattle exports Tuesday to 11 Indonesian abattoirs featured in a television program showing suffering steers being whipped and taking minutes to bleed to death after their throats were cut.

Agriculture Minister Joe Ludwig said the suspension would be in force while an investigator reviewed the 330 million Australian dollar ($350 million) per year live cattle trade with Indonesia. Live Australian cattle account for up to 40 percent of the beef eaten in Indonesia.

Ludwig warned that more slaughterhouses could be added to the banned list.

"I will appoint an independent reviewer to investigate the complete supply chain for live exports up to and including the point of slaughter," he said in a statement.

A senior official at Indonesia's Ministry of Agriculture, For Riwantoro, said that Indonesia as a predominantly Muslim nation has its own methods of slaughtering animals based on Islamic teachings.

"We have to protect consumers by ensuring they consume not only healthy and clean meat, but most important, it must be halal," Riwantoro said, referring to Islamic requirements for slaughtering livestock.

While Australian abattoirs render cattle unconscious with stun guns before killing them, most in Indonesia follow the Islamic method of cutting the throats of conscious animals.

The 11 abattoirs in Jakarta, Bogor, Bandar Lampung and Medan were selected at random in March and video recorded by Lyn White, a former police officer and campaign director of the animal welfare group Animals Australia.

"We just stopped on the side of the road and asked people where their local abattoir was — it's as simple as that," White told The Associated Press.

She did not expect the government investigation would find conditions any more humane at the vast majority of other Indonesians abattoirs.

"There's about 770 (abattoirs) in Indonesia and only five stun, so only five would have remotely acceptable standards," White said.

Animals Australia and the Australian Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, better known as the RSPCA, want the live cattle trade banned on cruelty grounds. Both cooperated with Australian Broadcasting Corp. to produce the gruesome television program screened nationally on Monday night.

Riwantoro, who heads the agriculture ministry's livestock department, said Indonesia could look to countries other than Australia for imports of live cattle.

"So far cattle imports from Australia supplement locally raised cattle, therefore such a suspension will motivate us to rely more on local cattle," he said. "Of course if the suspension continues, we will look for imports from other countries."

Thomas Sembiring, chairman of Indonesia's Beef Importers Association, said live Australian cattle make up 35 percent to 40 percent of Indonesia's beef consumption annually.

He urged Indonesian officials to make every effort to lobby the Australian government to lift the suspension.

RSPCA chief scientist Bidda Jones, who analyzed the video slaughter of 50 cattle, said the slaughter men used on average 11 cuts to the throat to kill each animal, and as many as 33. The Australian standard was death within 30 seconds.

"They basically hack the heads off with blunt knifes, causing a lot of distress and pain," Jones said.

Ludwig described the images as "shocking in the extreme." Charles Armstrong, president of the New South Wales state Farmers Association which represents many Australian cattle ranchers, labeled the Indonesian practices as "horrific cruelty."

Some key Greens party and independent lawmakers, whose support is crucial to the Labor Party government, as well some government lawmakers are calling for the trade with Indonesia to be suspended or terminated.

Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd told government colleagues at a meeting Tuesday that the trade suspensions with individual abattoirs would not harm Australia's "strong and robust relationship" with Indonesia.

Two government lawmakers, Janelle Saffin and Kelvin Thomson, proposed banning all live exports to Indonesia until abattoir standards were improved. Their proposal will be discussed by government colleagues at their next party meeting on June 14.

"There was a very strong view among caucus members ... that action had to occur," a spokesman for the meeting told reporters on the usual condition of anonymity.

But independent lawmaker Bob Katter was sympathetic toward the Indonesians and urged the government "not to impose our religious beliefs and values on our neighbors." Katter said a third of Indonesians went to bed hungry while their fishing boats were banned from Australia's northern waters and deserved latitude with the beef handing.

The video showed abattoir workers break a bull's tail and repeatedly gouge its eyes and nostrils in failed attempts to get the animal to regain its feet, despite a broken leg.

At an abattoir in Medan in North Sumatra, cattle are seen tied and trembling as they watch other cattle slaughtered and skinned in front of them.

Before the government suspensions, Australian industry body LiveCorp had responded to the footage by suspending trade with three of the abattoirs featured and had sent trainers to a fourth.

"While we face many challenges in improving animal welfare in a developing country, we've made major progress during the past decade," LiveCorp chief executive Cameron Hall said.

Watch the videos below.

Bill's Story - Indonesian Live Export Investigation from Animals Australia on Vimeo.

Brian's Story - Indonesian Live Export Investigation from Animals Australia on Vimeo.

Arthur's Story - Indonesian Live Export Investigation from Animals Australia on Vimeo.

Tommy's Story - Indonesian Live Export Investigation from Animals Australia on Vimeo.

Dudley's Story - Indonesian Live Export Investigation from Animals Australia on Vimeo.

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Associated Press Writers Ali Kotarumalos and Niniek Karmini contributed from Jakarta, Indonesia.

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Dun try to stir shit here. This is a case of extreme animal cruelty inflicted by indonesian abattoir workers, something which no one should condone.
 

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Dun try to stir shit here. This is a case of extreme animal cruelty inflicted by indonesian abattoir workers, something which no one should condone.

The bovine complained to you??
 

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Dun try to stir shit here. This is a case of extreme animal cruelty inflicted by indonesian abattoir workers, something which no one should condone.

Does Ang Moh have their own HALAL STANDARD of slaughtering? Countries like Indonesia can not afford that I think.

Humans tried to deceive only themselves to believe that they are eating animals that can be slaughtered KINDLY so that they are not being SINFUL to enjoy their food.:eek::biggrin: This is ONLY hypocrisy.:wink::wink:

Animals want to live and will try to live when you want to eat them. It is natural in the planet that they will run when being hunted down by predators, they will put up fights before they die. They will be bitten and torn apart alive and being eaten alive without slaughtering. That is only natural and that is THE WAY created by (every) GOD.

Idiot human invented what they called KINDNESS among all the animals NONE will know nor able to learn about KINDNESS. Animals know how to eat and survive and know that they can be eaten by others if they don't run or hide and FIGHT well, and still it would still happen one day. That is meant to be and designed by (every) GOD.

Humans are self-deceiving and self-distorted and self-contorted. Humans are the only form of live on this planet that is so SICK. They want to eat and enjoy their food and still they have to be contorting themselves in totally unnatural and unnecessary ways to twist their own minds this way and that way or else they would puke out their food. This won't happen to animals.:biggrin:

To be HUMAN like this? How STUPID! How unfit to survive!

:eek::*::biggrin: Human MY ASS!
 
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but to abuse animal is totally sick..
 

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Re: Ang Moh don't sell you beef if your slaughtering is non-HALAL to Christians' Stan

Does Ang Moh have their own HALAL STANDARD of slaughtering? Countries like Indonesia can not afford that I think.

Humans tried to deceive only themselves to believe that they are eating animals that can be slaughtered KINDLY so that they are not being SINFUL to enjoy their food.:eek::biggrin: This is ONLY hypocrisy.:wink::wink:

Animals want to live and will try to live when you want to eat them. It is natural in the planet that they will run when being hunted down by predators, they will put up fights before they die. They will be bitten and torn apart alive and being eaten alive without slaughtering. That is only natural and that is THE WAY created by (every) GOD.

Idiot human invented what they called KINDNESS among all the animals NONE will know nor able to learn about KINDNESS. Animals know how to eat and survive and know that they can be eaten by others if they don't run or hide and FIGHT well, and still it would still happen one day. That is meant to be and designed by (every) GOD.

Humans are self-deceiving and self-distorted and self-contorted. Humans are the only form of live on this planet that is so SICK. They want to eat and enjoy their food and still they have to be contorting themselves in totally unnatural and unnecessary ways to twist their own minds this way and that way or else they would puke out their food. This won't happen to animals.:biggrin:

To be HUMAN like this? How STUPID! How unfit to survive!

:eek::*::biggrin: Human MY ASS!

U are missing the whole point. I'm not here to debate whether we should or should not eat animals. That is a totally different subject.
If U had watched the video, U will realise that they were deliberately torturing the animal. If the animal has to be slaughtered, please do it quick and good. There's absolutely no necessity to subject it to prolonged torture. They were not even trying to kill it, more likely they delighted in torturing it.
 

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U are missing the whole point. I'm not here to debate whether we should or should not eat animals. That is a totally different subject.
If U had watched the video, U will realise that they were deliberately torturing the animal. If the animal has to be slaughtered, please do it quick and good. There's absolutely no necessity to subject it to prolonged torture. They were not even trying to kill it, more likely they delighted in torturing it.

I am not debating with your weather to eat or not eat. I am pointing out FACTS of HUMAN hypocrisy in the hollow value of KINDNESS & HUMANITY.

The fact show in video is animals fight for their lives when they know that they have to die. Butchers in primitive butcheries have to use dirty primitive techniques to deal with the beasts which refuse to die. You should also watch how animals refusing to be slaughtered killed and injured humans. I am sure Youtube have lots. You should see bulls gore humans to dead, horses kicked humans to death and so on. Watch bull fighting videos and see that bull fighters are also killed by bulls.

I grew up in farm and I know that pigs does bite humans very seriously and some times fatally and usually when they got attacked or face slaughtering. Fingers and limbs bitten off by pigs very common among farmers.

It is life, it is fight for live and death.

When bulls got forced into slaughter houses they smell own bloods they are frightened they resist all they can, in simple primitive slaughter houses their facilities are such that they have to fight physically against struggling beasts which refused to die. That is a fact.

Ang Moh spent millions of dollars in highly automated and efficient slaughter houses and cows dies faster that's all. Still they are killed and eaten. Big deal?

The Ang Moh are still brutal to use electrical shocks to force cows around farms and slaughter houses. Or to kill them. Ang Moh use High Voltage Prods & Electric Fence to shock cattle all the time.

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When they want reproduction of horses and bulls, there is another bigger electrical Lan-Jiao that they fucked in the ass of male bulls to shock them to ejaculate sperm! Then they will insert the whole human arms into the Chee Bye of female cows and horses to put sperm inside to produce cubs. Then cubs grow up to burgers and steaks and you eat them. That is brutal fact and you have to accept it!:wink:


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Re: Ang Moh don't sell you beef if your slaughtering is non-HALAL to Christians' Stan

Does Ang Moh have their own HALAL STANDARD of slaughtering? Countries like Indonesia can not afford that I think.

Humans tried to deceive only themselves to believe that they are eating animals that can be slaughtered KINDLY so that they are not being SINFUL to enjoy their food.:eek::biggrin: This is ONLY hypocrisy.:wink::wink:

If not for the ang moh ideas, you might just be a slave today. Note that although the ang mohs were big perpetrators of the slave trade, they were not the only ones using slavery, nor did they invent the idea of slavery but they did fight for the end of slavery. If you knew you were going to be killed by someone else, wouldn't you at least hope that death will come quickly rather than slowly? Perhaps you will be happy if your killer explains to you he has to kill you slowly because that is the cheapest way for him.

The problem with most of Asia is that everyone is trying to go for cheap. Let's do things cheaper than our competitors, the customers will not care how we achieve this. Although cheap is good but only to a certain extent, otherwise this mentality will be the cause of sub-standard products or even products that will harm or kill you.
 
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>>RSPCA chief scientist Bidda Jones, who analyzed the video slaughter of 50 cattle, said the slaughter men used on average 11 cuts to the throat to kill each animal, and as many as 33. The Australian standard was death within 30 seconds.

"They basically hack the heads off with blunt knifes, causing a lot of distress and pain," Jones said.<<

Wah lan eh....use 33 cuts to kill the animal?! :eek::*:
 

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Re: Ang Moh don't sell you beef if your slaughtering is non-HALAL to Christians' Stan

If not for the ang moh ideas, you might just be a slave today. Note that although the ang mohs were big perpetrators of the slave trade, they were not the only ones using slavery, nor did they invent the idea of slavery but they did fight for the end of slavery. If you knew you were going to be killed by someone else, wouldn't you at least hope that death will come quickly rather than slowly? Perhaps you will be happy if your killer explains to you he has to kill you slowly because that is the cheapest way for him.

The problem with most of Asia is that everyone is trying to go for cheap. Let's do things cheaper than our competitors, the customers will not care how we achieve this. Although cheap is good but only to a certain extent, otherwise this mentality will be the cause of sub-standard products or even products that will harm or kill you.

I don't care about slaves so much. Human is the only specie that held other animals captive to work (ox for farm horse for rides donkeys to pull carts) and to be eaten. Slavery is just a similar concept except that it applied to human subject.

:biggrin: Yet Humans try to believe hypocritically that they were KIND and MORAL and must goto heaven etc. :biggrin::biggrin:

How STUPID? How self-deceiving and how ironical?

Ang Moh are the worst form of idiots above all. Beginning from their moral standard and values and faith. Full of shit and self-conflicting ideas and they are totally unaware of their own self-contradictions, and they are proud of their own stupidity and they want to feed Asians with their shit! Yet some idiots ate their shit in whole.
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U obviusly have an axe to grind with angmohs for reasons only known to yourself. Cruelty to animals cuts across all nationalities and cultures so yr logic is beyond me.
 

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U obviusly have an axe to grind with angmohs for reasons only known to yourself. Cruelty to animals cuts across all nationalities and cultures so yr logic is beyond me.

I am out to demolish hypocritical kindness bull shit regardless weather Ang Moh or what. Kindness to animal etc totally inconsistent with reality and practicality. Hollow theories and empty moral standards and fucking BS trying to sell around and influence people. I won't stand by and let them go on unchecked. :rolleyes::mad:
 
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