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Serangoon Gardens: The problem is with a Government that has over-extended itself

NgEjay

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Generous Asset
When a proposal was made to convert an unused school, Serangoon Gardens Technical School, into a dormitory for foreign workers, residents of the nearby Serangoon Gardens private estate banded together to show their intense disapproval and displeasure.

Over 1,600 residents out of the roughly 4,000 households in the immediate vicinity of the proposed dormitory have signed a petition, started by the residents’ committee, asking the authorities to reconsider.

The school in Burghley Drive has been vacant for about four years and can possibly house 1,000 workers. It is situated less than 10 metres away from the nearest residential property.

The petition was handed to Aljunied GRC MPs George Yeo and Lim Hwee Hua on Wednesday 03 Sept, in a highly publicized forum that saw a storm of criticism rain down upon the proposal that would, in the petition’s own words, “create security and social problems and spoil the ambiance of the estate”.

The Ministry of National Development (MND) stated that the school is just “one among the sites being studied, and there is no decision to proceed yet”.

MP Lim Hwee Hua said it was “good that residents are speaking out with an interest” on the issue and that she would convey their feedback to MND.
During the dialogue session, which was attended by some 250 people, residents let loose their tirade of objections to the proposal, including concerns about security, the possibility of increased crime in the area, and fears about maids hooking up with foreign workers.

The fears expressed by Serangoon Gardens residents are not without merit. For example, in residential areas like Jalan Kayu, where two dorms housing 6,000 foreign workers were built three years ago, littering, loitering and rowdy behaviour are some of the problems residents have had to put up with. (ST, “Problems ‘Next Door’”, 05 Sept).

Earlier this year in Parliament, Minister for National Development Mah Bow Tan said that, given the constraints of land, foreign workers’ dorms would eventually be near residential areas.

In my opinion, that stand is hardly sufficient.

If the Government wants to import a large number of foreign workers to build our casinos and all the mega projects that are supposed to spur our economy on, ample preparations first have to be made to house them properly. That means providing living quarters for foreign workers in locations that would inconvenience local residents the least.

In at ST article published on 7 Sept, Lydia Lim wrote that “foreign workers are human beings, no less so than I am … And human beings need places to live … That all persons are equal in dignity is a value I hold dear.

Her view is certainly valid, but to me, it misses the point of the whole debate. The point of the whole debate is that the Government has over-extended itself, initiated too many projects which then require the import of large numbers of foreign workers, without ensuring before-hand that there would be suitable accommodation for those workers located away from populated areas.
 

Ramseth

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Mah Bow Tan should lead by example, close a few schools in Tampines GRC to house foreign workers. Then the Aljunied GRC MPs have nothing to say. Another way, close a few schools in Tanjong Pagar GRC to house foreign workers. Most of them would be working in nearby Marina or Sentosa projects, wouldn't they?
 

one2unite

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Mah Bow Tan should lead by example, close a few schools in Tampines GRC to house foreign workers. Then the Aljunied GRC MPs have nothing to say. Another way, close a few schools in Tanjong Pagar GRC to house foreign workers. Most of them would be working in nearby Marina or Sentosa projects, wouldn't they?

You've left out Oxley Road!!
 

Erudio

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The point of the whole debate is that the Government has over-extended itself, initiated too many projects which then require the import of large numbers of foreign workers, without ensuring before-hand that there would be suitable accommodation for those workers located away from populated areas.

the gov has oredy fix the locations ... the problem is tt the gov has no balls to tell the people where they R ... waiting until last minute, then bulldoze policy thru ...
 

bigbossman

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If the Government wants to import a large number of foreign workers to build our casinos and all the mega projects that are supposed to spur our economy on, ample preparations first have to be made to house them properly. That means providing living quarters for foreign workers in locations that would inconvenience local residents the least.

Lack of planning from our million dollar men? :biggrin: :biggrin:
 

slohand2

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In at ST article published on 7 Sept, Lydia Lim wrote that “foreign workers are human beings, no less so than I am … And human beings need places to live … That all persons are equal in dignity is a value I hold dear.

Her view is certainly valid, but to me, it misses the point of the whole debate. The point of the whole debate is that the Government has over-extended itself, initiated too many projects which then require the import of large numbers of foreign workers, without ensuring before-hand that there would be suitable accommodation for those workers located away from populated areas.[/QUOTE]

Indeed. IRs, a new sports complex, YOG, F1, Marina barge, Circle line and many more. They are in a big hurry, and have cramped all these projects in to a 5 year time frame. Housing is but one of the issues. We seem to have a shortage of everything, from services, offices, hotel rooms, schools, teachers, hospital beds, etc. I agree its too much to swallow.
 

angry_one

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Will this Lydia Lim volunteer to have a foreign workers' dorm built next to her block? Or even house some of them in her home?? After all, they are human and deserve a home as much as her!!
 

chongb

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Dear Sir,

You are spot on on this issue. Like many other issues, the government will not accept their shortcomings.

On the Serangoon Garden's residents' petition, assuming that there were no petition , the MOM will push through with their plan to build the workers quarters there. This is the result of pure arrogance, Serangoon Garden is considered a safe constituent for the ruling party and they least expect a backlash.The trust is now broken and damage control is now in full swing.

A township for foreign workers will now be build instead.

I would hope that more wise people in Singapore step out to help push this government to do greater thing for the average people, those people who are not as articulate and well off than the Serangoon garden residents who are mostly middle income and living in private estate. I saluate the SG residents. You have initiated a move and get the government of the day to sit up and think out a solution. I dare say the workers quarter will not be build in your estate.

There are many other pressing issues at stake where fine tuning of government policy must be put in place. Like the car transport issue, I am now having to fork out more than one hundred dollars a month in additional ERP charges since all those signboard are erected and yet I hear from the government minister including our PM that the additional expense is pared down with the lowering road tax. What sortt of bull is this ??? My sales staff are all clamouring for additional car allowance. I can see this problem escalating in the months ahead with more ERP gantry being erected. There must be more efforts by the Ministry of Transport to solve this problem without resorting to the easy solution of punitive measures by increasing cost to the motorist. Do they only act when there is a petition ?? I am sure if all the motorist in Singapore could act together and sign a petition, only then will the PM start to look at the problem and will a solution.


Good luck to SG residents
 

char_jig_kar

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In at ST article published on 7 Sept, Lydia Lim wrote that “foreign workers are human beings, no less so than I am … And human beings need places to live … That all persons are equal in dignity is a value I hold dear.

Her view is certainly valid, but to me, it misses the point of the whole debate. The point of the whole debate is that the Government has over-extended itself, initiated too many projects which then require the import of large numbers of foreign workers, without ensuring before-hand that there would be suitable accommodation for those workers located away from populated areas.

Which shows that...its a afterthought, finding accommodation for the workers.
 

johnny333

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Asset
Dear Sir,

You are spot on on this issue. Like many other issues, the government will not accept their shortcomings.
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On the Serangoon Garden's residents' petition, assuming that there were no petition , the MOM will push through with their plan to build the workers quarters there. This is the result of pure arrogance, Serangoon Garden is considered a safe constituent for the ruling party and they least expect a backlash.The trust is now broken and damage control is now in full swing.

The PAP has become some kinda of family business without being accountable to the citizens of Spore.

All this foreign labour is for gov't projects. It appears to me that the PAP gov't has become some kinda conglomerate competing with its own citizens.

What I see is a go'vt more interested in their own profits & business. Who is governing Spore & looking after its citizens? :confused:
 

suteerak1099

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come to think of it, there're plenty of other areas that make good locations to house foreign workers (considering there're developments within reach)

- holland vill > athlete hostel for YO2010
- bt. timah > athlete hostel for YO2010
- buona vista > athlete hostel for YO2010

- tg. pagar > keppel bay/ the sands/ resorts world
- pr. panjang > keppel bay/ the sands/ resorts world
- sentosa > keppel bay/ the sands/ resorts world
- rochor > keppel bay/ the sands/ resorts world
- beach rd > keppel bay/ the sands/ resorts world

- orchard > novena/ newton/ orchard rd developments
- tanglin > novena/ newton/ orchard rd developments
- thomson > novena/ newton/ orchard rd developments

not to forget many various locations for circle line & down town line too...
 

Porfirio Rubirosa

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Wah Lim Hwee Hua slaps ST for a change:eek:

Sep 16, 2008
FOREIGN WORKERS DORM IN SERANGOON GARDENS
Issue is about zoning, proper use, says MP


I WAS surprised by the righteous tone of The Straits Times editorial on Saturday, ('Foreign workers' housing: Act educated about it'), casting aspersions on Serangoon Gardens residents, branding them as 'supercilious, intolerant, racist, unaccommodating and smug'.
It is neither right nor reasonable to dismiss lightly the concerns of the residents especially with respect to their sense of security in a settled neighbourhood and the additional strain a workers' dormitory would put on a transportation infrastructure which is already at its limit.

Let us address their legitimate concerns specifically and reasonably, and not turn what is only a preliminary proposal by the Ministry of National Development (MND) into a national debate about social acceptance of foreign workers in Singapore. Serangoon Gardens residents appreciate the work done by foreign workers and do not associate themselves with the xenophobia and racial slurs you have described in your editorial. It is wrong and unfair of The Straits Times to tar them with this brush.

I have already presented the concerns of Serangoon Gardens residents and sent the petition signed by many of them to the Minister for National Development, together with my own views. The issue is really one of zoning and appropriate use. A good zoning plan will enable us to accommodate a wide range of users in Singapore while minimising unnecessary conflict between different land uses.

I know that the MND is very mindful of the disamenities which workers dormitories can cause and will take them into account in the zoning of land for short and long term uses.


Lim Hwee Hua (Mrs)
Member of Parliament for Aljunied GRC
 

phouse3

Alfrescian
Loyal
I pity the residents of Serangoon Gardens. They are victims of sore-eye syndrome. I call it the 'HDB Syndrome'. Pigeon-holers perceived the residents' stance as elitist just because the latter are living in landed property. They questioned why the residents didn't complain as loudly when positive externalities like night-spots sprang up there.

One joker on Blogtv proposed "assimilating" foreign workers. Only the ignorant doesn't realise they are transient workers and they come and go. For goodness' sake, they are not immigrants!

He can't tell the difference between accomodating and integrating. He wants to integrate the cheap transient foreign workers into our society.

He thinks a township for foreign workers will turn into a ghetto (or at least a mental one) but he is OK with a dorm at Serangoon Gardens. Only a kid doesn't realise a township has more facilities and is more well contained than a dorm.

He thinks it is better to scale back the dorm rather than move a few houses. This is despite the lady resident emphasising that the ratio of foreign workers to Serangoon Gardens is 7:1. He must have failed his maths or failed to understand the meaning of density.

Co-existence is such a noble term. Only the naive believe that human beings are innately good. Well, till some young girl is raped, sodomised and made to perform unnatural acts before she is brutally murdered. A 13-year old child studying maths will tell you that it is a matter of probability. A gambler will tell you that it is like playing with Russian Roulette. An apologist will tell you that it is an incident waiting to happen.

Another joker drew parallel between the British colonial masters segregating Chinese and Indians. I didn't know guest workers are part of us. Perhaps he should propose giving them voting rights.

It is socially irresponsible to air such low-brow programmes. Students may pick up some of the weird arguments!

And finally, it has nothing to do with human dignity. The contention is where to house them. Never about whether to house them or not house them. There is no need for people like Lydia Lim to 'act blur' and play angel.
 

leetahbar

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Mah Bow Tan should lead by example, close a few schools in Tampines GRC to house foreign workers. Then the Aljunied GRC MPs have nothing to say. Another way, close a few schools in Tanjong Pagar GRC to house foreign workers. Most of them would be working in nearby Marina or Sentosa projects, wouldn't they?

actually they should build one around NASSIM HILL. the lands there are vast and quite unoccupied. then they would know how other residents would have felt.
 
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