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Lazada and Shopee GST Fraud

Filloz

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Ever wonder why Lazada, Shopee, Carousell platforms can give you better deals? Many SMEs and sole-proprietors list their products there, and you only get receipts, or order confirmation. Many of them don't provide you GST invoice although they are GST registered. Some simply give you an invoice that is not traceable in their books.

Many of them are GST-registered businesses. Yes, they will issue you an invoice if you beg for it but many many of them will not. Income made from these platforms (without GST invoices) can be funneled to various receiving accounts to evade the taxes. It is so fun. In the end, these company sold you the item cheaper than the physical store, and their margin is better than competitors because they can fake the chargeable GST

You cannot play this when you own the domain and sell online directly like Courts. Even Amazon issues invoice after each delivery.
 

no_faith

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They are just platforms
The problem lies on the seller if they are annually 1mil or abv sales :biggrin:
 

Filloz

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They are just platforms
The problem lies on the seller if they are annually 1mil or abv sales :biggrin:
same dude. You buy from their supermarket platforms like shopee supermarket and redmart, they also try not to issue you actual GST invoice, unless you beg for it.
 

Filloz

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Shop from the Tiongs' Taobao instead!

https://world.taobao.com/
buy furnitures there, and get people to assemble for you.

The forwarders collect GST from you when you cross $400 and undervalue when they ship the item in and makan the extra GST collected.

This is why you get these people to import for you, is cheaper than importing on your own.
 

Filloz

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Not only local sellers don't want to issue GST invoices, including shopee and lazada supermarkets, it is the same case for imports.

If you use Ebay or Amazon to buy something overseas, they will charge you GST for importing items above $400. If you buy something overseas from shopee and lazada, the platform will not bill you GST and help you undervalue the item for customs.
 

tobelightlight

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Not only local sellers don't want to issue GST invoices, including shopee and lazada supermarkets, it is the same case for imports.

If you use Ebay or Amazon to buy something overseas, they will charge you GST for importing items above $400. If you buy something overseas from shopee and lazada, the platform will not bill you GST and help you undervalue the item for customs.
I support business that don't charge gst. Love shopee and Lazada.
 

bic_cherry

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Totally nothing wrong with it.
GST is a govt organised financial theft towards the people.
They are preventing govt theft to the people. It's a good thing.
PAP 'theft' from land sales, much more opaque also.

Where did the $558K of lease hold land fees PER HDB HOUSEHOLD go to? The oversized and opaque reserves are the elephant in the room, and minister is not accounting for it, no?

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S$500 million.

“The money that HDB will need to pay for the land must be paid back into the past reserves..."

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/ang-mo-kio-bto-loss-s250m-desmond-lee-2010546

Since Central Weave @ AMK is 896 units, on average, each citizen who purchased a BTO HDB flat from HDB, on average, PERMANENTLY contributed $558K to the reserves for land they only TEMPORARILY borrowed to use.

And PAP still got the gall to POFMA citizens who sought important clarifications. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/sin...cits-past-reserves-yeoh-lam-keong-toc-3008241

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Filloz

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GST is fat profits if you can escape from it.
Imagine your sales is one million, and you only make 1% margin but IRAS still takes $70,000,
you die is your problem.

So if you can avoid the GST, you make $80,000
 

bic_cherry

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Ever wonder why Lazada, Shopee, Carousell platforms can give you better deals? Many SMEs and sole-proprietors list their products there, and you only get receipts, or order confirmation. Many of them don't provide you GST invoice although they are GST registered. Some simply give you an invoice that is not traceable in their books.

Many of them are GST-registered businesses. Yes, they will issue you an invoice if you beg for it but many many of them will not. Income made from these platforms (without GST invoices) can be funneled to various receiving accounts to evade the taxes. It is so fun. In the end, these company sold you the item cheaper than the physical store, and their margin is better than competitors because they can fake the chargeable GST

You cannot play this when you own the domain and sell online directly like Courts. Even Amazon issues invoice after each delivery.
Don't issue receipt don't imply fraud, just more difficult to account.
They wil definitely have to pay the GST, as long as they account for the full sale price, since the company is GST registered anyway, regardless if receipt is issued or not.

Main way of evasion is to not declare any sales at all and just condemn the goods as unsold waste/expired products disposed or donated to charity use, then they can evade the GST on sale and pocket whatever implied GST they had collected.


Mostly, the fraud imho is where they artificially jack up the input price of goods obtained for sale with fake invoices etc, which IRAS will miss, unless whistle is blown. All input GST can be reclaimed, likewise, that in fake invoices if not caught.


Higher input costs means lower profits declared, so high input value invoices are attractive for businesses to use, from a taxation amount payment perspective, thus the attractiveness for fake input invoices to be used.
 

bic_cherry

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For good measure:


Increasing GST shows how wicked and self-serving the PAP is.

The following essay will advise and explain about much better options for government revenue than the regressive and administratively cumbersome GST increase.

It is formatted into 5 sections: Background/ Observations, General Impression, Recommendations, Conclusion and Post Script; (U can just read the last sections if u don't have the time).


Background/ Observations:
1) It is known that the wealth divide (more so than just the Gini coefficient) is frighteningly wide in Singapore now and strategies for wealth taxation are needed to reduce the gulf now: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/sin...elook-fiscal-strategies-lawrence-wong-2246646

2) GST is a form of regressive taxation, “taking a larger percentage of income from low-income earners than from high-income earners” https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/regressivetax.asp

3) In the The Singapore Bicentennial Conference, Professor Tommy Koh showed how self-serving and wicked the American Business model which Singapore emulates is, as compared to Singapore employers historically, where profit sharing was the norm traditionally drawn to its logical conclusion of copying wholesale American business models, Singapore is likely to disintegrate into a state of extreme political polarization and civil war, just as the American society is entering into now (or despotic governance of DPRK central control type).

4) Limited liability companies need to be properly taxed and regulated, to ensure that they work for societal good ('Legal scholars and others, such as Joel Bakan, have observed that a business corporation created as a "legal person" has a psychopathic personality because it is required to elevate its own interests above those of others even when this inflicts major risks and grave harms on the public or on other third-parties'). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation

5) The income (wage share) of workers in Singapore is one of the lowest in high income countries. This is because most of the income is accrued to capital, i.e. share holders with workers only earning 42.5% of GDP (2001-2007) and ranking last in the list of high income countries shown. “Singapore is the richest, if not, one of the richest countries in the world, by GDP per capita. Yet, it performs so dismally in sharing the wealth that its people had helped it built with the people. ” https://thehearttruths.wordpress.co...owest-wage-share-among-high-income-countries/

6) The tax contribution of corporates is oddly low when it should be much higher, since in theory, a corporation with zero profits is much more alive than one declaring losses, but an average worker with a pay cut (increased tax burden) is likely to experience a fall in lifestyle or even hunger or postponement of retirement depending on his expendable income. Whilst the income tax revenue FY2021/22: ratio of personal($14.2B):corp($18.2B) is roughly in the same ration as the 2007 wage share of 42.5% [14.2/(14.2+18.2)]=43.82% , the ratio would be unequal if the figure for wage share in 2022 was less. However, the elephant in the room is the property tax rate and collection amounts. It is absurd for corporate property tax to be only a flat 10% rate when residential property tax is up to 32-36% (FY2024- depending on owner occupation status or not). https://www.industrialguru.sg/financial/property-tax-rates-for-industrial-and-commercial-properties/
Even the difference between corporate and personal income tax rates is less stark, being a flat 17% for corporate tax and up to 22% for the highest personal income tax tier.



General Impression:
In order for society to remain cohesive and avoid polarization if the multiracial USA population is anything to go by, Singapore is on the road towards more social unrest and polarization as exemplified by the USA electorate and its obsolete and skewed presidential electoral college system, which our GRC system somewhat resembles (first past the post, grouping of districts etc), which is as elitist/racist as it is susceptible to gerrymandering, such that we might well sleep walk into a state of sociology-political turmoil the likes of the USA with talk of civil war within a decade https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/29/us-civil-war-fears-poll

The total property tax in FY2021/22 was $4.7B, assuming that 50% was from commercial property taxes, this is indeed a pitiful amount and ought to be doubled, since for all intents and purposes, these properties do generate high income (corporate property rentals are often higher then residential property costs etc and corporates are owned by wealthy shareholders who should contribute their fair share of taxes).


Recommendations:
The fact that corporates paid $18.2B in taxes @17% rate indicates at least $107.1B in declared corporate profits in FY2021/22 (likely much higher due to fairly rampant under declaration/ evasion, legitimate tax discounts excluded from what's actually collected. Commercial property taxes should at least double (to 20%) in future to ensure that all land is optimally used. This should add at least another $2.35B in tax revenue, sufficient to cover for a 1.5% increase in GST tax rate.
An additional freehold property tax of roughly 20%AV for ALL freehold properties (both commercial and residential) should definitely uplift the total new property tax collected by an amount sufficient to eradicate the need to increase GST by 2% altogether (approx S$3B p.a.).


Conclusion:
In conclusion, it is false and disingenuous to say that GST is the best and only option that the PAP government has left to increase government revenue to cover for increase healthcare costs inflation moving forwards. An increase in commercial property tax as well as a new standardized freehold surcharge levy charged on any property whose remaining lease is in excess of 103 years will provide adequate revenue to eradicate the need to increase GST by 3% altogether.


Post Script:
To serve religion and the poor, there shall be a commercial property tax rebate/waiver option (as is currently available to religious institutions) for such qualifying charities and non-profits (such approved concepts, as a cap on CEO remuneration which is not more than 3x the median hourly salary of full time staff etc). The quantum of commercial property tax refund claimable directly by the company providing charity programs (with transparent criteria) shall be limited to the actual/pro-rata property tax paid, and the non-profits accounts made publicly transparent etc etc.
 

Filloz

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Don't issue receipt don't imply fraud, just more difficult to account.
They wil definitely have to pay the GST, as long as they account for the full sale price, since the company is GST registered anyway, regardless if receipt is issued or not.

Main way of evasion is to not declare any sales at all and just condemn the goods as unsold waste/expired products disposed or donated to charity use, then they can evade the GST on sale and pocket whatever implied GST they had collected.

Mostly, the fraud imho is where they artificially jack up the input price of goods obtained for sale with fake invoices etc, which IRAS will miss, unless whistle is blown. All input GST can be reclaimed, likewise, that in fake invoices if not caught.

Higher input costs means lower profits declared, so high input value invoices are attractive for businesses to use, from a taxation amount payment perspective, thus the attractiveness for fake input invoices to be used.
Yes, this is why these online platforms are like an underground economy, out of IRAS's radar.

Likewise Interior Designers works with Malaysian carpentry companies are more competitive. When carpenters ship the boards and finishings to Singapore homes for assembly, these are declared as plywoods to Customs at causeway. GST is almost not collected but completion of work exponentially increases the value. This part is for GST evasion.

Then to balance the accounts for income tax, the local IDs overpaid their proxies or bank accounts from UOB, OCBC or malaysian banks in JB, and then happily withdraw cash out. It is even more efficient if the IDs and contractors are Malaysian citizens.
 

blackmondy

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Any company with tiong involvement will always be fraudulent.

偷蒙拐骗是终国人的拿手好戏
 
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Aashvi78

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The recent cases of GST fraud on Lazada and Shopee are alarming. E-commerce platforms are vital for our economy, and any fraudulent behavior erodes trust and equality in the market. Authorities need to conduct a comprehensive investigation and ensure that those involved are held responsible to uphold integrity and consumer trust.PM kisan status:thumbsup:
 
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