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Is the government supportive of the Myanmar military junta?

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No solution to Myanmar crisis without military, George Yeo tells Yale-NUS forum
Mr Yeo said the key to a compromise is to involve the army, not to dissolve it.

Mr Yeo said the key to a compromise is to involve the army, not to dissolve it.
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Grace Ho
Senior Political Correspondent

11 MAR 2021

SINGAPORE - While the military is undeniably a big part of the current crisis in Myanmar, it must also be part of the solution if the country is not to fragment further. In this regard, Asean can play a key role in putting peer pressure on Myanmar, said Mr George Yeo.

Singapore's former foreign minister said this on Wednesday (March 10) at the Yale-NUS College President's Speaker Series, a series of public lectures featuring key global personalities.

Mr Yeo said he is not entirely pessimistic about the situation in Myanmar, even though it is clearly "heartbreaking" and "an enormous setback" following many years of democratic transition.

Myanmar's armed forces seized power from the elected government on Feb 1, citing alleged voter fraud in the November 2020 election to justify the coup. The military, led by Senior General Min Aung Hlaing, also detained state counsellor Aung San Suu Kyi and members of her National League for Democracy (NLD) party.

Security forces have cracked down with increasing force on nationwide protests, with over 60killed and thousands arrested. A watchdog said this week that a second NLD official has died in custody following alleged torture.

Mr Yeo, who was foreign minister from 2004 to 2011, said the key to a compromise is to involve the army, not to dissolve it, as Western powers had done in Libya and Iraq.

For example, he said, it was a "fatal decision" to dismantle former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's Baathist army shortly after the 2003 US invasion. Baghdad's post-invasion military lost some of its best commanders and troops, creating a vacuum which was filled by warring factions and eventually terror group Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

Likewise, Myanmar is made up of 135 officially-recognised ethnic groups, many of which have their own armies and the capability to incite war.

Hence, there can be no solution without the army, Mr Yeo said. "However unpleasant, however difficult, you still need a compromise and a power balance."

He added that while the immediate reaction would be one of euphoria if the army is removed, what happens five years, 10 years from now is a question mark.

"There's a fair chance that Myanmar would become a Libya or Iraq, and its divisions would drag in all its its neighbours, including India, Bangladesh and us. We would have years and decades of trouble."

He said that based on statements made by the military government, the current state of affairs may not be permanent. The military had declared a one-year state of emergency on Feb 1, and said it would hold a "free and fair general election" after the emergency is over.

Asean, he said, must exert pressure on Myanmar as it had in the past - not by condemning it, but by insisting that it put time markers on its roadmap to democracy.

"This is the role Asean must play - peer pressure on the military government. Hold them to the one-year programme and say, 'Look, how are you going to return Myanmar back to what it was?'" he said.

"If you want to fix the election mechanism, tell us how you want to fix it. And maybe after you've fixed it, let there be Asean monitors to ensure what you promised us will be properly carried out."

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Former foreign minister George Yeo (right) speaking to Yale-NUS political science assistant professor Chin-Hao Huang, on March 10, 2021.
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Mr Yeo noted that Western governments had turned against Ms Suu Kyi in recent years for her failure to condemn the military atrocities against Muslim Rohingyas in Rakhine State. She also defended her country against claims of genocide at the International Criminal Court in The Hague.

But it is not clear that the recent leadership change will aid the Rohingya cause, he said, as most Myanmar people do not recognise them as a separate ethnic group.

"They see them as a legacy of British colonial rule, when Myanmar was part of the (British) Raj and all the top jobs were held by Indians... It's a legacy of history."

During the session moderated by Yale-NUS political scientist Chin-Hao Huang, Mr Yeo also touched on US-China rivalry, the rise of nationalism, and Singapore's response to Covid-19.

"When you have something big like (Covid-19), all social systems come under great stress and societies respond... People become selfish and they ostracise one another," he said.

The desire among countries to fault-find, he explained, has its roots in the fear of a rising China, which threatens the dominance of the US and other Western powers.
"In a sense, Covid-19 is accelerating history. Tensions which were building up anyway are now quickly reaching a head," he said.

"For those of us who are (caught) in between like Singapore, we have to be very conscious of the forces being unleashed, and the fact that different societies are responding with varying success to Covid-19."

Being a hub, Mr Yeo said, Singapore would lose the very basis of its existence unless it reopens. The key task is therefore to open up borders safely and reestablish trust.

Because hubs which are trusted will draw a disproportionate amount of traffic compared with those which are not trusted, the problem which Singapore faces is also a "great opportunity".

"Trusted hubs can network together, creating an almost Covid-19-free Schengen," he said, citing the zone where 26 European countries have abolished their internal borders to enable free and unrestricted movement of people.

Mr Yeo stressed the importance of international cooperation despite rising tensions.

He said: "Rudyard Kipling said, 'East is East and West is West, and never the twain shall meet.' But the twain must meet."
 
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'Shoot till they are dead': Some Myanmar police say they fled to India after refusing orders

VIDEO: REUTERS

MAR 10, 2021

CHAMPHAI, India (REUTERS) - When Mr Tha Peng was ordered to shoot at protesters with his submachine gun to disperse them in the Myanmar town of Khampat on Feb 27, the police lance corporal said he refused.

"The next day, an officer called to ask me if I will shoot," he said. The 27-year-old refused again, and then resigned from the force.

On March 1, he said he left his home and family behind in Khampat and travelled for three days, mostly at night to avoid detection, before crossing into India's north-eastern Mizoram state.

"I had no choice," Mr Tha Peng told Reuters in an interview on Tuesday (March 9), speaking via a translator. He gave only part of his name to protect his identity. Reuters saw his police and national ID cards which confirmed the name.

Mr Tha Peng said he and six colleagues all disobeyed the Feb 27 order from a superior officer, whom he did not name.

Reuters could not independently verify his or other accounts gathered near the Myanmar-India border.


The description of events was similar to that given to police in Mizoram on March 1 by another Myanmar police lance corporal and three constables who crossed into India, according to a classified internal police document seen by Reuters.

The document was written by Mizoram police officials and gave biographical details of the four individuals and their accounts of why they fled. It was not addressed to specific people.

"As the civil disobedience movement is gaining momentum and protest(s) held by anti-coup protesters at different places, we are instructed to shoot at the protesters," they said in a joint statement to Mizoram police.

"In such a scenario, we don't have the guts to shoot at our own people who are peaceful demonstrators," they said.

Myanmar's military junta, which staged a coup on Feb 1 and deposed the country's civilian government, did not respond to a Reuters request for comment.

The junta has said it is acting with utmost restraint in handling what it has described as demonstrations by "riotous protesters" whom it accuses of attacking police and harming national security and stability.

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Around 100 people from Myanmar, mostly policemen and their families, have crossed over the border into India since the protests began.
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Mr Tha Peng's is among the first cases reported by the media of police fleeing Myanmar after disobeying orders from the military junta's security forces.

Daily protests against the coup are being staged across the country and security forces have cracked down. More than 60 protesters have been killed and more than 1,800 detained, the Assistance Association for Political Prisoners, an advocacy group, has said.

Reuters has not been able to confirm the figures independently.

Among the detainees is Nobel laureate Aung San Suu Kyi, who led the civilian government.

Dozens flee

Around 100 people from Myanmar, mostly policemen and their families, have crossed over a porous border into India since the protests began, according to a senior Indian official.

Several have taken shelter in Mizoram's Champhai district bordering Myanmar, where Reuters interviewed three Myanmar nationals who said they had served with the police.

Besides his ID cards, Mr Tha Peng also showed an undated photograph of him wearing a Myanmar police uniform. He said he joined the force nine years ago.

Mr Tha Peng said that, according to police rules, protesters should either be stopped by rubber bullets or shot below the knees. Reuters could not verify police policies.

But he was given orders by his superiors to "shoot till they are dead", he added.

Mr Ngun Hlei, who said he was posted as a police constable in the city of Mandalay, said he had also received orders to shoot.

He did not give a date, nor specify whether the order was to shoot to kill. He did not give details of any casualties.

The 23-year-old also gave only a part of his full name and carried his national ID card.

Mr Tha Peng and Mr Ngun Hlei said they believed police were acting under orders from Myanmar's military, known as the Tatmadaw.
They did not provide evidence.

The other four Myanmar police agreed, according to the classified police document.

"...the military pressured the police force who are mostly constables to confront the people," they said.

Mr Ngun Hlei said he was reprimanded for disobeying orders and transferred. He sought help from pro-democracy activists online and found his way by road to Mizoram's Vaphai village on March 6.

The journey to India cost him around 200,000 Myanmar kyat (S$189), Mr Ngun Hlei said.

Although guarded by Indian paramilitary forces, the India-Myanmar border has a "free movement regime", which allows people to venture a few miles into Indian territory without requiring travel permits.

'Don't want to go back'

Twenty-four-year-old Dal said she had worked as a constable with Myanmar police in the mountainside town of Falam in north-western Myanmar. Reuters saw a photograph of her police ID and verified the name.

Her job was mostly administrative, including making lists of people detained by the police. But as protests swelled in the wake of the coup, she said she was instructed to try to catch female protesters - an order she refused.

Fearing imprisonment for siding with the protesters and their civil disobedience movement, she said she decided to flee Myanmar.

All three said that there was substantial support for the protesters within Myanmar's police force.

"Inside the police station, 90 per cent support the protesters but there is no leader to unite them," said Mr Tha Peng, who left behind his wife and two young daughters, one of whom is six months old.

Like some others who have crossed in recent days, the three are scattered around Champhai, supported by a network of local activists.

Mr Saw Htun Win, deputy commissioner of Myanmar's Falam district last week wrote to Champhai's top government official, Deputy Commissioner Maria C.T. Zuali, asking for eight policemen who had entered India to be returned to them "in order to uphold friendly relations between the two neighbour countries". Zuali confirmed she had received the letter, a copy of which has been seen by Reuters.

Mr Zoramthanga, Mizoram's chief minister, told Reuters that his administration would provide temporary food and shelter to those fleeing Myanmar, but a decision on repatriations was pending with India's federal government.

Mr Tha Peng said that although he missed his family, he feared returning to Myanmar.

"I don't want to go back," he said, sitting in a first-floor room overlooking rolling green hills that stretch into Myanmar.
 

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Three hours in 'hell room': Myanmar protester describes beating in custody
People get into a police vehicle in Myeik (far left) on March 9, 2021, while a man who says he was beaten by soldiers in custody shows his bruises.

People get into a police vehicle in Myeik (far left) on March 9, 2021, while a man who says he was beaten by soldiers in custody shows his bruises.
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MAR 11, 2021

YANGON (REUTERS) - A protester in Myanmar who says he was detained by troops for three hours as part of the crackdown against opponents of last month's military coup has described being beaten with belts, chains, bamboo sticks and batons.

In a rare first-hand account of the treatment of detained activists, the man told Reuters he was one of about 60 people picked up on Tuesday by police in Myeik, a southern coastal town, as they hid in a house after a protest was broken up by them.

A military spokesman did not answer calls seeking comment on the man's allegations. Myeik police station did not answer its phone.

The army has previously said it is dealing with protests lawfully.

The man provided photographs which he said were taken by his family showing injuries on his back, neck and shoulders.

Reuters has verified that the photographs were of the man and that his family had taken them. The news agency, which spoke to the man by telephone, could not verify his account.

The protesters were put in a truck and handed over to troops at Myeik air base, where the men were separated from the women, photographed and taken to a room, the man said, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of being detained again.

Reuters was unable to reach the air base for comment.

"We got beaten the whole time even while we were walking to the room," he said. "The soldiers said, 'This is the hell room, why don't you guys have a taste?'"

He described being told to kneel and said five of the group were told to face each other while they were beaten on their backs, heads, necks and sides. He said he was later freed along with several others without explanation. Some others were formally arrested and sent to jail.

Reuters was unable to contact the jail for comment.

Pyae Phyo Aung, a former student union member in Myeik who has been in touch with released protesters, told Reuters 32 people were arrested in the incident, according to a list that he helped compile for civil society groups. He said he saw another protester with injuries on his back and hip.

"When I met him, he couldn't even sit," Pyae Phyo Aung said. "He was lying face down because of the injuries on his hips."

Myanmar has been in turmoil since the army ousted Aung San Suu Kyi's elected government in a coup on Feb 1 and detained her and other politicians.

The military says an election in November won by Suu Kyi's National League for Democracy (NLD) was marred by fraud - a claim rejected by the national electoral commission - and has set up a junta to rule the country pending a new vote on an unspecified date.

Security forces have cracked down with increasing force on daily nationwide protests, and more than 60 demonstrators have been killed and 1,900 people arrested since the coup, the Assistance Association for Political Prisoners has said.

Reuters has not been able to confirm the figures independently.

At least two people, both NLD officials, have died in custody since last Saturday after being arrested, according to party sources, although the reason for their deaths is not known.

The military has not commented on this.
 

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The PAP regime supports whichever regime that provides income opportunities, defenders of this call it 'pragmatism'. Myanmar's troubles now are nothing compared to China and genocide. :wink:
 

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Three hours in 'hell room': Myanmar protester describes beating in custody
People get into a police vehicle in Myeik (far left) on March 9, 2021, while a man who says he was beaten by soldiers in custody shows his bruises.

People get into a police vehicle in Myeik (far left) on March 9, 2021, while a man who says he was beaten by soldiers in custody shows his bruises.
PHOTOS: REUTERS

MAR 11, 2021

YANGON (REUTERS) - A protester in Myanmar who says he was detained by troops for three hours as part of the crackdown against opponents of last month's military coup has described being beaten with belts, chains, bamboo sticks and batons.

In a rare first-hand account of the treatment of detained activists, the man told Reuters he was one of about 60 people picked up on Tuesday by police in Myeik, a southern coastal town, as they hid in a house after a protest was broken up by them.

A military spokesman did not answer calls seeking comment on the man's allegations. Myeik police station did not answer its phone.

The army has previously said it is dealing with protests lawfully.

The man provided photographs which he said were taken by his family showing injuries on his back, neck and shoulders.

Reuters has verified that the photographs were of the man and that his family had taken them. The news agency, which spoke to the man by telephone, could not verify his account.

The protesters were put in a truck and handed over to troops at Myeik air base, where the men were separated from the women, photographed and taken to a room, the man said, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of being detained again.

Reuters was unable to reach the air base for comment.

"We got beaten the whole time even while we were walking to the room," he said. "The soldiers said, 'This is the hell room, why don't you guys have a taste?'"

He described being told to kneel and said five of the group were told to face each other while they were beaten on their backs, heads, necks and sides. He said he was later freed along with several others without explanation. Some others were formally arrested and sent to jail.

Reuters was unable to contact the jail for comment.

Pyae Phyo Aung, a former student union member in Myeik who has been in touch with released protesters, told Reuters 32 people were arrested in the incident, according to a list that he helped compile for civil society groups. He said he saw another protester with injuries on his back and hip.

"When I met him, he couldn't even sit," Pyae Phyo Aung said. "He was lying face down because of the injuries on his hips."

Myanmar has been in turmoil since the army ousted Aung San Suu Kyi's elected government in a coup on Feb 1 and detained her and other politicians.

The military says an election in November won by Suu Kyi's National League for Democracy (NLD) was marred by fraud - a claim rejected by the national electoral commission - and has set up a junta to rule the country pending a new vote on an unspecified date.

Security forces have cracked down with increasing force on daily nationwide protests, and more than 60 demonstrators have been killed and 1,900 people arrested since the coup, the Assistance Association for Political Prisoners has said.

Reuters has not been able to confirm the figures independently.

At least two people, both NLD officials, have died in custody since last Saturday after being arrested, according to party sources, although the reason for their deaths is not known.

The military has not commented on this.

They did such to the buddhist protestors. Can u imagine wat they did to those Rohingya Muslims? They will exterminate them without any hesitation.
 

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My uncle say KNN talk so much for fuck KNN political inleeferences only can settle by bloodshed and violence KNN just kill kill kill both ways until see which side surrender KNN want to talk only talk which side you support then send troops to join them simple as that KNN talk talk talk for fuck without leesult KNN
 
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to co-opt burmese generals, sg can give them saf scholarships, place them in glc’s, pay them millions, and let them join the pap. within 6.9 months of collecting their million-dollar salaries, the’ll becum compliant and sexperts in everything.:tongue:
 
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