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[China is Fucked] German Air Force shows it can be in Asia in a day

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https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/In...11&pub_date=20220817213000&seq_num=2&si=44594

German Air Force shows it can be in Asia in a day
Taiwan issue serves as a wake-up call to European powers

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A Eurofighter, painted with the flags of Australia, Singapore, Japan and South Korea, refuels with the help of an Airbus A330. © Bundeswehr
SHOGO AKAGAWA, Editor-in-Chief for Europe, Middle East and AfricaAugust 16, 2022 21:27 JST

LONDON -- The German Air Force has begun an exercise named Rapid Pacific 2022, sending a fleet of aircraft to the far lands of Asia.

Six Eurofighter jets, four A400M multirole aircraft and three A330 multirole tanker transport planes on Monday took off from Neuburg Air Base, en route to Singapore. The goal was to reach the city-state within 24 hours, which it did, to show that the German Air Force can be in the heart of the Indo-Pacific in a day.

From there, the fleet will head to Australia, South Korea and Japan. Fittingly, one Eurofighter was painted with the flags of Germany and the countries the fleet is visiting, to show unity with Germany's Indo-Pacific partners.

Why is the Bundeswehr (German Armed Forces) deploying aircraft to the Indo-Pacific for the first time in the post-World War II era?

"We want to show that we stand for multilateralism and the rules-based international order, together with our security partners," a Ministry of Defense spokesperson told Nikkei.

Clearly, China is in mind. Following the deployment of a frigate to East Asia in 2021, this is another political message from Berlin.


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The specially foiled Eurofighter "Air Ambassador" takes off from Neuburg Air Base to join the Rapid Pacific 2022 exercise. © Bundeswehr

It marks a stark change of direction for Germany. The shift was led by the Social Democratic Party (SPD), the champion of pacifism and the new eastern policy, which sought reconciliation with the Communist bloc.

Berlin has learned the harsh lesson of going too deep with authoritarian states. For the half-century since the 1970s, Germany relied on Russia for energy. Those ties are now proving difficult to sever.

In an interview with Nikkei, SDP heavyweight Michael Muller, a former mayor of Berlin, emphasized, "We must ensure that we do not get into new dependencies with China. This is the lesson from the current Russia-Ukraine crisis."

As Germany, which for years pursued a China-heavy Asia policy, distances itself from China, other European countries are accelerating the shift even faster. Sen. Andre Gattolin of France noted that while Russia is the immediate concern, China poses the bigger long-term threat.

Driven by this trend, Europe, which long had been disinterested in the issue of Taiwan, is now ready to side with the U.S. on the contentious topic.

When China reacted angrily to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's stop in Taiwan and began live-fire drills surrounding the island, Josep Borrell, the EU's foreign policy chief, said the response could not be justified. The French Foreign Ministry also pressed China to respect order.

Faced with the real threat of Russia, European powers have rediscovered the value of the Transatlantic alliance with the U.S. The U.S. has Europe's back when it comes to Russia. Therefore, if the U.S. is confronting China, Europe should back the U.S. too, recent thinking goes. A new determination is rising in Europe.

China's strategy to counter this trend seems to be to propose bilateral talks with individual European countries. Splitting the democratic camp has always been a big part of the authoritarian playbook. Europe, so far, has been swaying and avoiding the punches.

Taiwan sees an opportunity to make inroads. In May, Economic Vice Minister Chen Chern-chyi visited Lithuania for the first vice-ministerial meeting between the two economies and held a business roundtable.


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Workers add finishing touches at the paint shop at BMW's plant in Shenyang, China. German manufacturers have massive operations in the country. © BMW

But for the European economy, distancing itself from China is far more complicated than doing so with Russia. European leaders will keep an eye on the quinquennial Chinese Communist Party national congress this autumn, hoping that a more flexible leadership emerges in Beijing. Until then, the plan is to uphold the "One China" policy.

Liz Truss, the British Foreign Secretary running for prime minister, is a known China hawk. Yet, she has declared that she has no intention of visiting Taiwan as prime minister.

In Germany, some pro-Taiwan lawmakers are planning a bipartisan trip to Taiwan.

East Asia has traditionally not been an area of interest for Europe. The lack of experience will inevitably force policymakers to stumble as they try to formulate a China strategy.

Japan and the democracies of Asia find themselves with a golden opportunity to lend a hand to Europe in this endeavor and deepen ties.
 

red amoeba

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the luftwaffe once terrorise Europe and plummet Soviet's planes...now they are on brink of doing that again...AMDK simply the best.
its the Eight combined army terrorising China redux again....
 

Rogue Trader

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Germany and Japan had gotten their balls clipped after losing ww2. But they've been looking for excuses to militarise again. They have to get green light from big boss USA for that first.
 

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https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/In...11&pub_date=20220817213000&seq_num=2&si=44594

German Air Force shows it can be in Asia in a day
Taiwan issue serves as a wake-up call to European powers

https%253A%252F%252Fs3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com%252Fpsh-ex-ftnikkei-3937bb4%252Fimages%252F1%252F3%252F3%252F4%252F41814331-1-eng-GB%252F20220816%2520Rapid%2520Pacific%25202022%2520photo%2520main.jpg

A Eurofighter, painted with the flags of Australia, Singapore, Japan and South Korea, refuels with the help of an Airbus A330. © Bundeswehr
SHOGO AKAGAWA, Editor-in-Chief for Europe, Middle East and AfricaAugust 16, 2022 21:27 JST

LONDON -- The German Air Force has begun an exercise named Rapid Pacific 2022, sending a fleet of aircraft to the far lands of Asia.

Six Eurofighter jets, four A400M multirole aircraft and three A330 multirole tanker transport planes on Monday took off from Neuburg Air Base, en route to Singapore. The goal was to reach the city-state within 24 hours, which it did, to show that the German Air Force can be in the heart of the Indo-Pacific in a day.

From there, the fleet will head to Australia, South Korea and Japan. Fittingly, one Eurofighter was painted with the flags of Germany and the countries the fleet is visiting, to show unity with Germany's Indo-Pacific partners.

Why is the Bundeswehr (German Armed Forces) deploying aircraft to the Indo-Pacific for the first time in the post-World War II era?

"We want to show that we stand for multilateralism and the rules-based international order, together with our security partners," a Ministry of Defense spokesperson told Nikkei.

Clearly, China is in mind. Following the deployment of a frigate to East Asia in 2021, this is another political message from Berlin.


https%253A%252F%252Fs3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com%252Fpsh-ex-ftnikkei-3937bb4%252Fimages%252F_aliases%252Farticleimage%252F2%252F6%252F5%252F4%252F41814562-4-eng-GB%252FCropped-166064124920220815-start-rapa22-haelke-01.jpg

The specially foiled Eurofighter "Air Ambassador" takes off from Neuburg Air Base to join the Rapid Pacific 2022 exercise. © Bundeswehr

It marks a stark change of direction for Germany. The shift was led by the Social Democratic Party (SPD), the champion of pacifism and the new eastern policy, which sought reconciliation with the Communist bloc.

Berlin has learned the harsh lesson of going too deep with authoritarian states. For the half-century since the 1970s, Germany relied on Russia for energy. Those ties are now proving difficult to sever.

In an interview with Nikkei, SDP heavyweight Michael Muller, a former mayor of Berlin, emphasized, "We must ensure that we do not get into new dependencies with China. This is the lesson from the current Russia-Ukraine crisis."

As Germany, which for years pursued a China-heavy Asia policy, distances itself from China, other European countries are accelerating the shift even faster. Sen. Andre Gattolin of France noted that while Russia is the immediate concern, China poses the bigger long-term threat.

Driven by this trend, Europe, which long had been disinterested in the issue of Taiwan, is now ready to side with the U.S. on the contentious topic.

When China reacted angrily to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's stop in Taiwan and began live-fire drills surrounding the island, Josep Borrell, the EU's foreign policy chief, said the response could not be justified. The French Foreign Ministry also pressed China to respect order.

Faced with the real threat of Russia, European powers have rediscovered the value of the Transatlantic alliance with the U.S. The U.S. has Europe's back when it comes to Russia. Therefore, if the U.S. is confronting China, Europe should back the U.S. too, recent thinking goes. A new determination is rising in Europe.

China's strategy to counter this trend seems to be to propose bilateral talks with individual European countries. Splitting the democratic camp has always been a big part of the authoritarian playbook. Europe, so far, has been swaying and avoiding the punches.

Taiwan sees an opportunity to make inroads. In May, Economic Vice Minister Chen Chern-chyi visited Lithuania for the first vice-ministerial meeting between the two economies and held a business roundtable.


https%253A%252F%252Fs3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com%252Fpsh-ex-ftnikkei-3937bb4%252Fimages%252F_aliases%252Farticleimage%252F4%252F8%252F3%252F5%252F41815384-3-eng-GB%252FCropped-1660645691P90469940_lowRes_bmw-brilliance-autom.jpg

Workers add finishing touches at the paint shop at BMW's plant in Shenyang, China. German manufacturers have massive operations in the country. © BMW

But for the European economy, distancing itself from China is far more complicated than doing so with Russia. European leaders will keep an eye on the quinquennial Chinese Communist Party national congress this autumn, hoping that a more flexible leadership emerges in Beijing. Until then, the plan is to uphold the "One China" policy.

Liz Truss, the British Foreign Secretary running for prime minister, is a known China hawk. Yet, she has declared that she has no intention of visiting Taiwan as prime minister.

In Germany, some pro-Taiwan lawmakers are planning a bipartisan trip to Taiwan.

East Asia has traditionally not been an area of interest for Europe. The lack of experience will inevitably force policymakers to stumble as they try to formulate a China strategy.

Japan and the democracies of Asia find themselves with a golden opportunity to lend a hand to Europe in this endeavor and deepen ties.

This is really an odd piece and I'm not even sure what exactly the Germans are trying to express here.

Any passenger aircraft can also travel from Germany to Singapore in less than a day, so why is this branded as some sort of achievement!? They key question is can you power project from afar?

In order to do that, one needs to ensure the survivability of fighters and bombers to deliver ordinances and accomplish missions to an area far away under intense military conditions. That is why US carrier strike groups are the hallmarks of a superpower, they allow the US military to almost instantly deliver large amounts of destructive power to a precise target with high probability of success. Even though its ability to do that in East Asia now is in suspect due to breakthroughs in Chinese ASBM and HGV technologies, at least it still works for the rest of the world.

Contrast this to the German sideshow - First of all, it is unlikely that any of the 6 Eurofighters with 4 refueling tankers will survive all the way to the Taiwan straits in the event of war. Secondly, even if they did, how on earth are 6 Eurofighters going to make any difference? If the entire exercise is to demonstrate the ability of a fighter jet to fly long distances, any airforce with refueling tanker can do it and that includes our RSAF as well.
 

mojito

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Haha big deal. Our Singapore airlines would be able to fly round trip in the same time, with world class food and in flight entertainment options. :cool:
 

GOD IS MY DOG

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How many pilot can German airforce afford to sacrifice?


no sacrifice needed....................the incomparable LUFTWAFFE will decimate the Chinese air force easily enough................the Germans are used to fighting against impossible odds............
 

limpeh456

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while I support TW, it is impractical for Gernan and French unless they station a support base here in asia, or better give techical support to TW e.g. support her submarine effort under table
 

mojito

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while I support TW, it is impractical for Gernan and French unless they station a support base here in asia, or better give techical support to TW e.g. support her submarine effort under table
Silly man u. This is call detergent. Detergent u oso donno ah? :rolleyes:
 

syed putra

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What germany is trying to say is they can in a instant relocate tgeir air force to another base on the other side of the planet, specifically, sinkie.
 

eatshitndie

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more for moral support than any strategic value. if friendly air bases in asia are knocked out combat aircraft from europe will be useless let alone combat aircraft from home bases. combined air power from jp, sk, sg, tw will be adequate to cause trouble to the plaaf. it will be very embarassing if the plaaf loses half its force within 6.9 days of conflict and has to rely on long range missiles like russia in the ongoing ukraine war.
 

syed putra

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more for moral support than any strategic value. if friendly air bases in asia are knocked out combat aircraft from europe will be useless let alone combat aircraft from home bases. combined air power from jp, sk, sg, tw will be adequate to cause trouble to the plaaf. it will be very embarassing if the plaaf loses half its force within 6.9 days of conflict and has to rely on long range missiles like russia in the ongoing ukraine war.
In that case, they just go to china and drop their bombs there. At the three gorges dam.
 

LordElrond

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The air”show” is to impress morons. The only good stuff ever come out of Germany are their cars. And China is a huge market for German car makers. Just shut the auto makers out of Chinese market, the Germans will come begging and making statements like “China is the most liberal Asian cuntry I’ve known in my life”. Do you get threatened by a beggar ever? No, just throw them some crumbs and they’ll be really respectful. Meanwhile…
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eatshitndie

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In that case, they just go to china and drop their bombs there. At the three gorges dam.
game changers are hypersonic missiles and swarm of drones. in future, “aircraft carriers” will actually be drone carriers, remotely manned, stealthier, smaller, packed with aa defence, carry not hundreds but thousands of drones that can strike targets hundreds of miles inland. a thousand-drone strike at any airbase will cripple runways and shelters and knock it out of any war. a hundred thousand-drone strike will knock out a hundred airbases plus missile bases. can sacrifice drones and suffer 69% loss and replace them quickly. no refueling, no cockpit, no pilot recovery, no need for large carriers to support piloted aircraft. these new carriers can stay longer in the oceans, carry more munitions and pack more punch.
 

mojito

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This is really an odd piece and I'm not even sure what exactly the Germans are trying to express here.

Any passenger aircraft can also travel from Germany to Singapore in less than a day, so why is this branded as some sort of achievement!? They key question is can you power project from afar?

In order to do that, one needs to ensure the survivability of fighters and bombers to deliver ordinances and accomplish missions to an area far away under intense military conditions. That is why US carrier strike groups are the hallmarks of a superpower, they allow the US military to almost instantly deliver large amounts of destructive power to a precise target with high probability of success. Even though its ability to do that in East Asia now is in suspect due to breakthroughs in Chinese ASBM and HGV technologies, at least it still works for the rest of the world.

Contrast this to the German sideshow - First of all, it is unlikely that any of the 6 Eurofighters with 4 refueling tankers will survive all the way to the Taiwan straits in the event of war. Secondly, even if they did, how on earth are 6 Eurofighters going to make any difference? If the entire exercise is to demonstrate the ability of a fighter jet to fly long distances, any airforce with refueling tanker can do it and that includes our RSAF as well.
This show is for their domestic consumption. :smile:
 
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