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Why do you all believe in 3rd century books?
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This is quite a mind-provoking question, and there is no perfect answer to your question.
In fact, religion is moving too. You can google for some topics like new age movement you can find many people are trying to so-call keep up religion with modern thinking and science. Some quasi-religions (for lack of vocabulary I use this term), like Confucius which was ban during Mao Tze Tung's time in China is coming back. Many Chinese have given great respect to this greatest philosopher so much so that Confucius was worshipped at. In China you can see quite a number of Confucius temples.
For Christians - like myself - who are Bible-believing, God is unchanging; He is the same yesterday, today and forever; heaven and earth will pass away but the Word of God is everlasting.
Quite to the contrary, I (and I believe many Christians) find it puzzling why should God keep up with time. He is the Creator of everything and God is outside time.
As I have mentioned earlier, there are many so-call new age movement churches especially in the U.S. trying to introduce doctrines and teachings outside the Bible and this has caused a lot of confusions among Christians and non-Christians.
I cannot speak for other religions but I believe Buddhism is too changing. For example, the practice of cell-group by Christians to study the Bible is now too imitated by some Buddhist groups and they too have used Christian music and hymns and substituted with of course the words with the Buddhist scriptures. To me, this is like a new age movement by the Buddhists trying to keep up with time. As we can see that a Buddhist monk who is supposed to live simple life have dozens of credit card and openly declared that devotees can't expect monks to live like before. They too are human and they too need some enjoyment, so was his opinion. I don't think monks of the 3rd century would dare to say any of this. So time have changed and monks are trying to keep with the the modern world - for better or worst?
On your questions of "Why do you all believe in 3rd century books", I presume you are asking specifically why Christians believe in the Bible. Just by way of note, Bible is divided into the Old Testament and the New Testament. The oldest book in the Bible is generally agreed by bible scholars to be the Book of Job which was written more than 4000 years ago and most of the New Testament's scriptures were written between AD 40 - AD 100. So, why should such old books still believed by so many people and have such great influence on people's lives?
For Christians, our answer is simple - because this is God's divine message to the people on earth and even though there are many people trying to destroy this book, the Bible, but time has shown that it is undestructible. There are more books and commentaries written about this book than any other books. This book, the Bible, is translated to over 2,600 languages and dialects and the translation to other languages is a continuing process. It will never be destroyed.
The second reason is that this is a historical book. Many of the places and people's names listed or mentioned in the Bible have been discovered or confirmed by archeologists to be true. It is not a book of fables or legends or myths.
The third reason is that the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947 has shown that this is a book that has been preserved for many thousand of years in terms of accuracy of transmission. No other book has this same quality of preservation. Go to the Google and search for the key words like Dead Sea Scrolls and you can see many articles on this.
The fourth reason is that the prophecies and predictions in the Old Testament have given great creditability that the Bible is not just a book. It is a book that accurately foretells the future - and our future in this world if anything can go by, is going to be very ugly. It is alredy getting uglier and uglier by the day. But God has foretold us that there is going to have an everlasting kingdom that will replace this sin-sick world of greed, of lust, of pride. God Himself will rule this kingdom as the King of kings and Lord of lords.
God Bless
Because Man does not move on.
Psalm23,
I thought that was very interesting.
I guess the fundamental difference in opinion is that you are starting from is that the bible is a message from God.
But, I may not believe that this is true. Therefore to me, none of the points have any basis. A book that is old does not mean that it is true.
And a point that is believed by many people does not mean that it is true. Truth is not a voting station.
Well anyway, that's my opinion
I thought that was very interesting.
I guess the fundamental difference in opinion is that you are starting from is that the bible is a message from God.
But, I may not believe that this is true. Therefore to me, none of the points have any basis. A book that is old does not mean that it is true.
And a point that is believed by many people does not mean that it is true. Truth is not a voting station.
Well anyway, that's my opinion
I can't disagree with you. 'Old' doesn't mean is true and so is 'new'. But I am afraid you may miss my point. My point is that the records, messages, etc mentioned in the Bible have been proven to be true - true in the sense that archeologists have discovered ancient records going back to few thousand years to prove that the names of people and places listed in the Bible are historical facts.
Have a great weekend.
God Bless
Fm OT or NT?
Both the OT and the NT.
Psalm23,
Dickhead Christo like you must be rebutted for making illogical assessments of religion.
In fact, religion is moving too. You can google for some topics like new age movement you can find many people are trying to so-call keep up religion with modern thinking and science. Some quasi-religions (for lack of vocabulary I use this term), like Confucius which was ban during Mao Tze Tung's time in China is coming back. Many Chinese have given great respect to this greatest philosopher so much so that Confucius was worshipped at. In China you can see quite a number of Confucius temples.
For Christians - like myself - who are Bible-believing, God is unchanging; He is the same yesterday, today and forever; heaven and earth will pass away but the Word of God is everlasting.
God is man made and is ever changing, if not you don't get Jesus in the 1st Century. The Romans made Jesus one of their Gods in accordance to their Hellenistic believe (Greek).
Quite to the contrary, I (and I believe many Christians) find it puzzling why should God keep up with time. He is the Creator of everything and God is outside time.
No one know who is the creator? God is man made product so man is the original creator?
As I have mentioned earlier, there are many so-call new age movement churches especially in the U.S. trying to introduce doctrines and teachings outside the Bible and this has caused a lot of confusions among Christians and non-Christians.
I cannot speak for other religions but I believe Buddhism is too changing. For example, the practice of cell-group by Christians to study the Bible is now too imitated by some Buddhist groups and they too have used Christian music and hymns and substituted with of course the words with the Buddhist scriptures. To me, this is like a new age movement by the Buddhists trying to keep up with time. As we can see that a Buddhist monk who is supposed to live simple life have dozens of credit card and openly declared that devotees can't expect monks to live like before. They too are human and they too need some enjoyment, so was his opinion. I don't think monks of the 3rd century would dare to say any of this. So time have changed and monks are trying to keep with the the modern world - for better or worst?
Bible contains the teaching of Buddhist Dhamapada and it come to pass that many people has come to know about it and now turn to Buddhist for holy scriptures. Onyl dickhead like you still beleive in the Hellensitic Greco- Roman Jesus the God.
On your questions of "Why do you all believe in 3rd century books", I presume you are asking specifically why Christians believe in the Bible. Just by way of note, Bible is divided into the Old Testament and the New Testament. The oldest book in the Bible is generally agreed by bible scholars to be the Book of Job which was written more than 4000 years ago and most of the New Testament's scriptures were written between AD 40 - AD 100. So, why should such old books still believed by so many people and have such great influence on people's lives?
50% of the Anglo Saxon (creator of the English KJV Bible) in England don't beleive inthe Bible and as such don't go to church.
For Christians, our answer is simple - because this is God's divine message to the people on earth and even though there are many people trying to destroy this book, the Bible, but time has shown that it is undestructible.
People now want to know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth and who is Jesus? Telll me honestly (to the Vatican in Rome) what did you lie in the Bible?
There are more books and commentaries written about this book than any other books. This book, the Bible, is translated to over 2,600 languages and dialects and the translation to other languages is a continuing process. It will never be destroyed.
It will be a history book of the Davidic messianic movement which failed and killed Jesus and John the Baptiser, but not a holy book to make Jesus a God and kingdom of God/heaven is a place you go after you die.
The second reason is that this is a historical book. Many of the places and people's names listed or mentioned in the Bible have been discovered or confirmed by archeologists to be true. It is not a book of fables or legends or myths.
The truth about the Davidic messianic movement started by Jesus and John the Baptiser that failed and not the many lies made by the Romans priest making Jesus a God in the NT.
The third reason is that the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947 has shown that this is a book that has been preserved for many thousand of years in terms of accuracy of transmission. No other book has this same quality of preservation. Go to the Google and search for the key words like Dead Sea Scrolls and you can see many articles on this.
The Dead Sea Scrolls just confirmed that the events of the Davidic messianic movement did happens (and other messianic movements) and started by Jesus and John the Baptiser were true and no mentioned about Jesus as a God.
The fourth reason is that the prophecies and predictions in the Old Testament have given great creditability that the Bible is not just a book.
It is a book that accurately foretells the future - and our future in this world if anything can go by, is going to be very ugly. It is alredy getting uglier and uglier by the day.
OT prophecing the Kingdom of God (Kingdom of God and kingdom of heaven is the same) is coming and at hand (says Jesus) and that was supposed to happen at Jesus time (Daniel prediciton 490 years and end of the age) in AD 26-27. Jesus and John the Baptiser lived at the time where the OT prophecizing the 'end of the age' and this caused Jesus and John the Bapstiser to think they were the 2 messiahs (line of King David, one form the King and the other from the priest line of Aaron) that will prepare for the Kingdom of God to come and it will come on the day of the Passover.
Jesus died on the morning of the day of Passover, as such Jeus did not eat the Passover meal. Passover meal is eaten at evening of the day of the Passover. Jesus died on Thursday 3 pm (not Friday). Jesus did not eat the Passover meal because he thought the could share the Passover meals with his disciples once God has established his Kingdom of God in Israel. If the prophecies came true/thorugh according to the scriptures then Jesus will be eating his Passover meal as King of the Jews with God Yahweh establishing his new Kingdom of God in Israel.
But that didn't happen and Jesus and John lan lan died for nothing. The prophecies in the OT were therefore finished predictions and become history book.
The Book of Revelation was written was dated to the tme of Nero and the Jewish revolt (AD66-73) and protray the chruch as a 'woman' who flees into the wilderness 'to her place' where she is nourished for three and a half years (REV 12:14). Book of Revelation is not about current today's predicting what will hapen tomorrow and waiting for Kingdom of God to come. It is finished story book revealing the Jewish Revolt war.
But God has foretold us that there is going to have an everlasting kingdom that will replace this sin-sick world of greed, of lust, of pride. God Himself will rule this kingdom as the King of kings and Lord of lords.
Go read the right book and stop making guessing about the Kingdom of God and heaven. The Kingdom of God is prophecing God is coming to destroy his enemies and the unrighteous, the un-baptised, the unclean and to establish his kingdom on earth, according to the prophecies of the prophets in the scriptures in the OT.
For Kingdom of God and heaven is a imaginery places above the sky with many luxuious mansions (John 14:3) as Jesus says were lies made by the Romans and were added to blend with their Hellensitic believe in heaven and hell and Gods.
Dickhead Christo like you must be rebutted for making illogical assessments of religion.
In fact, religion is moving too. You can google for some topics like new age movement you can find many people are trying to so-call keep up religion with modern thinking and science. Some quasi-religions (for lack of vocabulary I use this term), like Confucius which was ban during Mao Tze Tung's time in China is coming back. Many Chinese have given great respect to this greatest philosopher so much so that Confucius was worshipped at. In China you can see quite a number of Confucius temples.
For Christians - like myself - who are Bible-believing, God is unchanging; He is the same yesterday, today and forever; heaven and earth will pass away but the Word of God is everlasting.
God is man made and is ever changing, if not you don't get Jesus in the 1st Century. The Romans made Jesus one of their Gods in accordance to their Hellenistic believe (Greek).
Quite to the contrary, I (and I believe many Christians) find it puzzling why should God keep up with time. He is the Creator of everything and God is outside time.
No one know who is the creator? God is man made product so man is the original creator?
As I have mentioned earlier, there are many so-call new age movement churches especially in the U.S. trying to introduce doctrines and teachings outside the Bible and this has caused a lot of confusions among Christians and non-Christians.
I cannot speak for other religions but I believe Buddhism is too changing. For example, the practice of cell-group by Christians to study the Bible is now too imitated by some Buddhist groups and they too have used Christian music and hymns and substituted with of course the words with the Buddhist scriptures. To me, this is like a new age movement by the Buddhists trying to keep up with time. As we can see that a Buddhist monk who is supposed to live simple life have dozens of credit card and openly declared that devotees can't expect monks to live like before. They too are human and they too need some enjoyment, so was his opinion. I don't think monks of the 3rd century would dare to say any of this. So time have changed and monks are trying to keep with the the modern world - for better or worst?
Bible contains the teaching of Buddhist Dhamapada and it come to pass that many people has come to know about it and now turn to Buddhist for holy scriptures. Onyl dickhead like you still beleive in the Hellensitic Greco- Roman Jesus the God.
On your questions of "Why do you all believe in 3rd century books", I presume you are asking specifically why Christians believe in the Bible. Just by way of note, Bible is divided into the Old Testament and the New Testament. The oldest book in the Bible is generally agreed by bible scholars to be the Book of Job which was written more than 4000 years ago and most of the New Testament's scriptures were written between AD 40 - AD 100. So, why should such old books still believed by so many people and have such great influence on people's lives?
50% of the Anglo Saxon (creator of the English KJV Bible) in England don't beleive inthe Bible and as such don't go to church.
For Christians, our answer is simple - because this is God's divine message to the people on earth and even though there are many people trying to destroy this book, the Bible, but time has shown that it is undestructible.
People now want to know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth and who is Jesus? Telll me honestly (to the Vatican in Rome) what did you lie in the Bible?
There are more books and commentaries written about this book than any other books. This book, the Bible, is translated to over 2,600 languages and dialects and the translation to other languages is a continuing process. It will never be destroyed.
It will be a history book of the Davidic messianic movement which failed and killed Jesus and John the Baptiser, but not a holy book to make Jesus a God and kingdom of God/heaven is a place you go after you die.
The second reason is that this is a historical book. Many of the places and people's names listed or mentioned in the Bible have been discovered or confirmed by archeologists to be true. It is not a book of fables or legends or myths.
The truth about the Davidic messianic movement started by Jesus and John the Baptiser that failed and not the many lies made by the Romans priest making Jesus a God in the NT.
The third reason is that the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947 has shown that this is a book that has been preserved for many thousand of years in terms of accuracy of transmission. No other book has this same quality of preservation. Go to the Google and search for the key words like Dead Sea Scrolls and you can see many articles on this.
The Dead Sea Scrolls just confirmed that the events of the Davidic messianic movement did happens (and other messianic movements) and started by Jesus and John the Baptiser were true and no mentioned about Jesus as a God.
The fourth reason is that the prophecies and predictions in the Old Testament have given great creditability that the Bible is not just a book.
It is a book that accurately foretells the future - and our future in this world if anything can go by, is going to be very ugly. It is alredy getting uglier and uglier by the day.
OT prophecing the Kingdom of God (Kingdom of God and kingdom of heaven is the same) is coming and at hand (says Jesus) and that was supposed to happen at Jesus time (Daniel prediciton 490 years and end of the age) in AD 26-27. Jesus and John the Baptiser lived at the time where the OT prophecizing the 'end of the age' and this caused Jesus and John the Bapstiser to think they were the 2 messiahs (line of King David, one form the King and the other from the priest line of Aaron) that will prepare for the Kingdom of God to come and it will come on the day of the Passover.
Jesus died on the morning of the day of Passover, as such Jeus did not eat the Passover meal. Passover meal is eaten at evening of the day of the Passover. Jesus died on Thursday 3 pm (not Friday). Jesus did not eat the Passover meal because he thought the could share the Passover meals with his disciples once God has established his Kingdom of God in Israel. If the prophecies came true/thorugh according to the scriptures then Jesus will be eating his Passover meal as King of the Jews with God Yahweh establishing his new Kingdom of God in Israel.
But that didn't happen and Jesus and John lan lan died for nothing. The prophecies in the OT were therefore finished predictions and become history book.
The Book of Revelation was written was dated to the tme of Nero and the Jewish revolt (AD66-73) and protray the chruch as a 'woman' who flees into the wilderness 'to her place' where she is nourished for three and a half years (REV 12:14). Book of Revelation is not about current today's predicting what will hapen tomorrow and waiting for Kingdom of God to come. It is finished story book revealing the Jewish Revolt war.
But God has foretold us that there is going to have an everlasting kingdom that will replace this sin-sick world of greed, of lust, of pride. God Himself will rule this kingdom as the King of kings and Lord of lords.
Go read the right book and stop making guessing about the Kingdom of God and heaven. The Kingdom of God is prophecing God is coming to destroy his enemies and the unrighteous, the un-baptised, the unclean and to establish his kingdom on earth, according to the prophecies of the prophets in the scriptures in the OT.
For Kingdom of God and heaven is a imaginery places above the sky with many luxuious mansions (John 14:3) as Jesus says were lies made by the Romans and were added to blend with their Hellensitic believe in heaven and hell and Gods.
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come to think of it, science & maths that we learn or apply today, were 1st recorded in the early centuries too. if science & maths is believable, why not record scribed & archived?
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i dont know whether believing in a talking snake , parting sea , changing water to wine , virgin birth , staying alive in a fish stomach , walking on water can consider TRUTH , KNOWLEDGE and WISDOM ....
honeyjames
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Those who can not be kept in the dark old way, and tricks to avoid errors in a new way. There are numerous books and commentaries written about this book from other books. This book, the Bible has been translated into more than 2,600 languages and dialects, and translations into other languages is an ongoing process. It will never be destroyed.
Paslm23 doing it again cloning as honeyjames - clue see in red bold highlight.
Shame on you Psalm23.
What 3rd century books are you talking about?
Aiyo bro. Pls don't play dumb. Mai ani Kuan. We talking this book the bible. The writing of god by men
