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Biggest bubble in history is growing every day !

GoFlyKiteNow

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Biggest bubble in history is growing every day

5 Feb 2010, 0051 hrs , Bloomberg


Real estate, stocks, credit. China sure has its share of bubbles. Oddly, little attention is paid to the biggest one of all.

The reserve bubble is actually an Asia-wide phenomenon. And we should stop viewing this monetary arms race as a source of strength.

Here are three reasons why it’s fast becoming a bigger liability than policy makers say publicly.

One, it’s a massive and growing pyramid scheme.


The issue has reached new levels of absurdity with traders buzzing about crisis-plagued Greece seeking a Chinese bailout.

China is trapped in an arrangement of its own making. As China and other Asian nations buy more and more US treasuries, it becomes harder to unload them without causing huge capital losses. And so they keep adding to them. “This is a titanically large foreign-exchange trade,” says David Simmonds, London-based analyst at Royal Bank of Scotland Group. “It’s the biggest one history has ever seen and there’s nowhere for these reserves to go.”

China aims to diversify out of US treasuries into other assets and commodities. The question that governments are grappling with is which markets are deep enough to absorb China’s riches? Gold? Oil? Euro-area debt? The Madoff family’s next Ponzi scheme?

Like all pyramid schemes, there’s no easy end in sight and things could end badly. If the dollar collapses, panicked selling by central banks looking to limit losses would shake global markets more than the US credit crisis has.

Two, reserves are dead money.

The wisdom of currency stockpiling came from the chaos of 1997. Speculators sensed authorities in Thailand were sitting on few reserves, and they were right. Their attack on the Thai baht set the stage for an Asian meltdown. Governments spent the 2000s determined not to repeat the mistake.

Three, reserves add to overheating risks.

When policy makers buy dollars, they need to sell local currency, increasing its availability and boosting the money supply. Next they sell bonds to mop up excess money in economies. It’s an imprecise science that often leads to accelerating inflation. The strategy works out to be an expensive one.

The stakes are rising fast. The risks in Asia are skewed firmly in the direction of inflation.

Central banks face a difficult task. They must withdraw excess liquidity without devastating their economies and running afoul of politicians. Only now is Asia finding out how some of its economic-protection tactics are amplifying the challenge.

Asia has been holding down currencies to support exports for more than a decade. It’s silly to ignore the side effects of that strategy for the region’s economies.

Think about how Dubai shook the global economy, or how the mere hint that Chinese growth may dip below 8% inspires panic. These disappointments pale in comparison with the turbulence that may come from Asia’s biggest bubble popping.

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No doubt there is a bubble gorwing. Given that the rest of the world is in doldrums, it is China that seems to be growing.

But isn't this a good problem. Having too much reserves that you do not know where to park your money sounds like a good thing. Now lets say this bubble pops - OK Beijing loses 50 percent of tis reserves. That would still leave it at - $1.2 Trillion? But on the other hand should the bubble pop - US Treasuries collapse and rates shoot through the roof - the impact on rest of the world would be very bad. US ecoomy would grind to a halt. Poorer countries with smallers reserves would be in a poorer position to afford to have their holding decimated (did not have much reserves to begin with). It might even cause US$ to lose reserve status!!

Anyway when world economy sinks - the highly leveraged gets into trouble (Japan), the poor gets affected (Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Cambodia) but the rich - well - it is paper loss to them in a way. I would rather be rich then poor when the dark clouds come.
 

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No doubt there is a bubble gorwing. Given that the rest of the world is in doldrums, it is China that seems to be growing.

But isn't this a good problem. Having too much reserves that you do not know where to park your money sounds like a good thing. Now lets say this bubble pops - OK Beijing loses 50 percent of tis reserves. That would still leave it at - $1.2 Trillion? But on the other hand should the bubble pop - US Treasuries collapse and rates shoot through the roof - the impact on rest of the world would be very bad. US ecoomy would grind to a halt. Poorer countries with smallers reserves would be in a poorer position to afford to have their holding decimated (did not have much reserves to begin with). It might even cause US$ to lose reserve status!!

Anyway when world economy sinks - the highly leveraged gets into trouble (Japan), the poor gets affected (Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Cambodia) but the rich - well - it is paper loss to them in a way. I would rather be rich then poor when the dark clouds come.

Don't generalize.
What doldrums is the world in ?. China growing while rest of the world is in doldrums. Next you will say that China saved the world.
You are off your damn head making such wild statements.
Hey, others read newspapers too.
 
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China is trapped in an arrangement of its own making. As China and other Asian nations buy more and more US treasuries, it becomes harder to unload them without causing huge capital losses.

How the writer gel this one?

China holding US treasuries.. and that is in a way, diversification and hedging against a weakening in China's economy and its currency...

If the whole asian economy is collapsing, people will be chasing after US$... China's hugh investment in US treasuries will gain..

China bubble explodes also does not affect the debt repayment, unless US
declares bankrupt..

my 2cents :biggrin:
 

Sperminator

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How the writer gel this one?

China holding US treasuries.. and that is in a way, diversification and hedging against a weakening in China's economy and its currency...

If the whole asian economy is collapsing, people will be chasing after US$... China's hugh investment in US treasuries will gain..

China bubble explodes also does not affect the debt repayment, unless US
declares bankrupt..

my 2cents :biggrin:

Hey since we are at this important topic about Dollars...

Can anyone share their views about the current economic situation of how the USA declaration of bankruptcy would affect the world.

And in relationship to the above assumed scenario, how it will affect the countries holding on to T-Bills of USA, say like CHINA, and the rest of the world?

What kind of scenario are we looking at, when the big bubble burst?


I am a financial idiot, and need some financial experts to give some views. This is just a scenario discussion.:cool:
 

GoFlyKiteNow

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Hey since we are at this important topic about Dollars...

Can anyone share their views about the current economic situation of how the USA declaration of bankruptcy would affect the world.

And in relationship to the above assumed scenario, how it will affect the countries holding on to T-Bills of USA, say like CHINA, and the rest of the world?

What kind of scenario are we looking at, when the big bubble burst?


I am a financial idiot, and need some financial experts to give some views. This is just a scenario discussion.:cool:

Look.
Countries have no option but hold US notes.
Simple as that. USA hold the cards.
Because there is no other country in the world that has the
capacity to absorb the world's liquidity.
Hence out of no choice they must hold and support the USA.
If not they all will fall and fail.

If the bubble burst, then it is rampant inflation in Asia.
Utter chaos. All chips are down. Stocks, property, everything.
And there is no entity that can save the situation.
 

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Look.
Countries have no option but hold US notes.
Simple as that. USA hold the cards.
Because there is no other country in the world that has the
capacity to absorb the world's liquidity.
Hence out of no choice they must hold and support the USA.
If not they all will fall and fail.

If the bubble burst, then it is rampant inflation in Asia.
Utter chaos. All chips are down. Stocks, property, everything.
And there is no entity that can save the situation.

Thanks GoFlyKiteNow,

What would be the post-Bubble-Burst scenario?

When you say utter chaos, stocks crash, property crash, everything crash...

It only means the financial system have failed, but there are still people living, something like 6 Billion people?

And the resources in the world is still around, not as if it vaporizes when the Bubble Burst.

So, are we looking into a collaspe financial system of the world, and perhaps Bartar Trade comes to the picture?

What do you think will happen?

It's just difficult to imagine that when the Dollar goes kaput, it'll cause everything to go kaput... as there is still demand for food, utilities, entertainment, art, etc... people still need to live...

So, anyone out there to clarify? I am totally a financial idiot in this. :o
 

Watchman

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Don't generalize.
What doldrums is the world in ?. China growing while rest of the world is in doldrums. Next you will say that China saved the world.
You are off your damn head making such wild statements.
Hey, others read newspapers too.



Says who ? Says all the media control of China .

China will suffer much more than was ever led to be known .

Then there will be always be alternative .
 

GoFlyKiteNow

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Thanks GoFlyKiteNow,

What would be the post-Bubble-Burst scenario?
When you say utter chaos, stocks crash, property crash, everything crash...
It only means the financial system have failed, but there are still people living, something like 6 Billion people?
And the resources in the world is still around, not as if it vaporizes when the Bubble Burst.
So, are we looking into a collaspe financial system of the world, and perhaps Bartar Trade comes to the picture?

What do you think will happen?

It's just difficult to imagine that when the Dollar goes kaput, it'll cause everything to go kaput... as there is still demand for food, utilities, entertainment, art, etc... people still need to live...
So, anyone out there to clarify? I am totally a financial idiot in this. :o

Because it is in everyone's survival interest, they all will gather around to ensure that the dollar is safeguarded. They will be even more keen about this than the USA.

Having said that, now the bad news. The only way out is to allow inflation. Which means all will agree to inflate their economy. So, we may have to prepare ourselves for a big round of inflation. share markets will rise dramatically, to mop up the extra money being poured in. But there will also be inflation in basic items too like food and clothing.

Countries that have already started this property and share market boom, will have to create inflation in basic items. In other words these nations will have a great risk of base inflation, loan interest rates will be hiked, till mini bubbles form. Then prick these mini bubbles ( with interest rate hikes) and do the same thing over and over again , till all the excess liquidity is evaporated for good. That is the prime way out of this scenario now.

BTW - This is my personal opinion.
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as predicted ... the dye is cast, the ferocious tigress ....
in coming chinese new year is awoken...., the bloodbath in the stocks market starts and will maul it's way right up till end of march before 1st april where there will be a brief period of calm as the tigress will be distracted by the Fool of april but not for long ........
:o:o:o
 
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