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so THINKNOTHING AKA AVIATION LIM is really linked to ngejay!!

The above article was an English translation of a Zaobao article published on 20 September 2008. The translator wishes to remain annonymous and is a friend of Mr Ng E Jay (sgpolitics.net)

that really tells alot about credibility here:eek:

gohmengseng appeared in the chinese paper and they were so envious!:rolleyes:
 

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窥探网络世界

(2008-09-20)

● 游润恬

  Mr Brown(博客李健敏)令人捧腹大笑的“肉脞面”播客,在两年前的大选期间一炮而红,让许多不常上网的华文报读者也第一次注意到新媒体的存在。

  自从李显龙总理在国庆群众大会上表示要开放新媒体空间之后,由政府委任的新媒体咨询理事会也已在所发表的报告书中,建议政府用心聆听网民的声音,并且研究该如何善用新媒体与网民接触。

  没参与网络舆论的报纸读者也许会有这样的印象,就如政府有一套上下连贯、横竖统一的思想和说法,即网民的声音也是单一且鲜明的。一些读者也许只认识Mr Brown一个博客,或以为所有的博客都跟他差不多。

  其实,网络空间和普通社会是一样的,是一个由不同观点、倾向、派系、目的、脾气的人组成的共同空间。“网民”不是单一、综合的个体,而是分化、分歧的群体。

  报纸读者如果偶尔收到朋友传来的电邮,电邮上贴上某某网民的播客、短片或评论,披露某某事件的“真相”或揭发某某政治人物的“恶行”,可别太快信以为真,或以为所有网民都这么想。因为其他网民也许会有很强烈的相反意见,于是种种被指为阴谋论的谣言和人身攻击,也开始流传。

  本地英文时事评论网站“网络公民”(theonlinecitizen.com)是一个最近的例子。这个博客网是在上一次大选后成立,除了有新闻和专题报道、时事漫画、专栏评论等,也把部分文章翻译成华文,以扩大读者群,对政策和主流媒体的报道提出尖锐批评,点击率在本地同类网站中算是数一数二。

  但是,本周有人在热门网络论坛(sammyboy.com)上重提今年二月已炒过一轮的阴谋论。匿名者声称“网络公民”的几名负责人受到人民行动党的幕后主使,是行动党派来渗透互联网的卧底,终极目的是制造一个表面上提出另类观点,但实际上却不攻击政府要害的博客网站。

  匿名者称主流媒体因接到“上面”的指示而力捧“网络公民”,使它大受网民欢迎并得以攻下网络空间,以致“真正”批评政府的博客网站失去读者。

  这些匿名者还指出,创办人卢鸿佩是从行动党青年团跳槽到工人党青年团的,现在也已离开工人党。另一名创办人朱正熙(新加坡国立大学法律系学生)则曾经当过西海岸集选区议员何玉珠的国会讲稿写手,连续五个月领了每个月500元的津贴。而“网络公民”的编辑之一黎传智(新加坡管理大学政治系学生)则是行青团团员,不但参与基层活动,也跟外交部长杨荣文经营同一个博客。

  匿名者也指出,行动党自上届大选过后成立了由教育部长黄永宏医生领导的新媒体委员会,任务之一就是派出20名信息科技达人,以匿名方式进军网络论坛和博客,以驳斥反政府的言论。“网络公民”就是这个委员会的“产品”之一。

  这个有如电影《无间道》式的情节,听起来既耸动又刺激。当事人昨天受询时,否认了“网络公民”是行动党工具的说法。卢鸿佩说,他们几个人都以真实姓名写作并参加活动,没有见不得光的勾当,反而对方始终保持匿名,不愿露面。

  这只是网上多种“扔泥巴”,以诬蔑别人的其中一种行为,真相到底是什么,网外人也许不会知道,也没太大兴趣知道。不过,这场小骂战却带出了有趣的思考,即网络空间是否能容忍温和的观点?

  反政府的人喜欢聚集在网络论坛,因为他们认为主流媒体没有容下他们的空间。他们于是无法容忍网络空间里有非反政府的言论。政治博客和论坛上的言论倾向批评政策、政府和行动党,少数网民则认为温和的评论没有市场,批评越尖锐越刺耳,才越能引起共鸣,并吸引眼球。而像“网络公民”这类尝试以较理性、四平八稳的写法呈献观点的博客,则容易被扣上“捧政府”的帽子。

  反政府情绪高昂的网民,不但对博客有这样的审核标准,对反对党也有同样的要求。将两名议员送入国会的工人党,被公认为本地最成功的反对党,但在网络空间里却受到一小撮网民唾弃。他们打出“投工人党一票,就等于投行动党一票”的标语。

  黄永宏在上一次大选时称工人党(Workers' Party)为“Wayang Party”(皮影戏党),批评该党光说不练。网民方志远也套用这个词,设立了wayangparty.wordpress.com,批评工人党以及所有新加坡民主党以外的反对党,都只是在跟执政党一起做戏给人民看。他认为反对党都不敢为民请愿,没有实质的反对效用,反而让行动党可以理所当然地说“你看,国会里有反对党,我们不是一党独大”。

  不过,几名评论时事的博客受访时,都表示不会因受到少数偏激网民的攻击而灰心,他们也不认为骂战的出现意味着本地网民还不够成熟。

  团结党中委吴明盛(singaporealternatives.blogspot.com)说:“偏激的言论也许能哗众取宠,博得一些立场本来就偏激的人拍手叫好,但大多数网民要看的还是客观、成熟的评论,这就是评论一面倒的新加坡民主党网站已大量流失读者的原因。”

  他一年多前因卷入网络论坛的骂战而被逼退出工人党,但他也不认为类似涉及“网络公民”的骂战,足以阻挠网络社群的成熟与发展。“如果网络上只允许一把声音,那跟共产党没两样。”


  朱正熙也对匿名者在网络论坛上所做的人身攻击处之泰然。“当有人批评我对时事课题所提出的看法时,我会认真地看待并积极同他谈论。但是,如果对方是批评我个人,我才懒得理。”
http://www.zaobao.com.sg/yl/yl080920_515.shtml
 

Goh Meng Seng

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so THINKNOTHING AKA AVIATION LIM is really linked to ngejay!!

The above article was an English translation of a Zaobao article published on 20 September 2008. The translator wishes to remain annonymous and is a friend of Mr Ng E Jay (sgpolitics.net)

that really tells alot about credibility here:eek:

gohmengseng appeared in the chinese paper and they were so envious!:rolleyes:

Why am I not surprised? LOL!

Goh Meng Seng
 

Goh Meng Seng

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Hi Meng Seng,

What is going on ?

Avantas,

Wayangparty website was involved in smearing WP during their annual dinner. This is something that I would not agree to. And I guess the secretiveness of SDP annual Haiwanian dinner is also part of an effort of preventing perceived troubles from people who will make trouble for them. It would be very strange when opposition parties would go so sneaky in organizing an annual dinner, isn't it? It all started just because of these bunch of jokers from Wayang Party website.

And if these people are associated with Ejay or his ilk in any ways, then it speaks volume about him and his ilks. And I am really not surprised because of Ejay and his ilks have been quite aggressive against WP. But to go to such an extent to be associated with people in Wayang Party website, I think that's something we expected but would shake head about.

Goh Meng Seng
 

LaMei

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Avantas,

And I guess the secretiveness of SDP annual Haiwanian dinner is also part of an effort of preventing perceived troubles from people who will make trouble for them.It would be very strange when opposition parties would go so sneaky in organizing an annual dinner, isn't it?

Goh Meng Seng

Mr Goh...

care to explain how sneaky was SDP when they organize their annual dinner?
 

Avantas

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Hi Meng Seng,

I do not know the people behind the wayangparty site, but from what I read, there is no concrete proof that they are behind the devious attack on WP though they did report on it.

From what I have read on wayangparty, though it contains veiled attacks on WP and TOC, the majority of its articles are anti-PAP. I like their straight-shooting style which is quite refreshing from TOC. At least they state their stance clearly unlike TOC which tends to go around in circles and circles.

As for E Jay, personally I do not think he has any affliations with the wayangparty people. Even if he does have, what's the big deal ? At least neither E Jay or the wayangparty has been shown to have any remote links with PAP unlike TOC. To me, they have far more credibility than a bunch of PAP MPs wannabes.



Avantas,

Wayangparty website was involved in smearing WP during their annual dinner. This is something that I would not agree to. And I guess the secretiveness of SDP annual Haiwanian dinner is also part of an effort of preventing perceived troubles from people who will make trouble for them. It would be very strange when opposition parties would go so sneaky in organizing an annual dinner, isn't it? It all started just because of these bunch of jokers from Wayang Party website.

And if these people are associated with Ejay or his ilk in any ways, then it speaks volume about him and his ilks. And I am really not surprised because of Ejay and his ilks have been quite aggressive against WP. But to go to such an extent to be associated with people in Wayang Party website, I think that's something we expected but would shake head about.

Goh Meng Seng
 

Goh Meng Seng

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Generous Asset
Hi Meng Seng,

I do not know the people behind the wayangparty site, but from what I read, there is no concrete proof that they are behind the devious attack on WP though they did report on it.

From what I have read on wayangparty, though it contains veiled attacks on WP and TOC, the majority of its articles are anti-PAP. I like their straight-shooting style which is quite refreshing from TOC. At least they state their stance clearly unlike TOC which tends to go around in circles and circles.

As for E Jay, personally I do not think he has any affliations with the wayangparty people. Even if he does have, what's the big deal ? At least neither E Jay or the wayangparty has been shown to have any remote links with PAP unlike TOC. To me, they have far more credibility than a bunch of PAP MPs wannabes.

Dear Avantas,

I don't believe in pure coincidences. :wink:

There are just too many signs there and then. I shall not go into the past to dig out the substantial evidences any more. Locke may be good at that though. LOL! :wink:

Goh Meng Seng
 

leetahbar

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Dear Avantas,

I don't believe in pure coincidences. :wink:

There are just too many signs there and then. I shall not go into the past to dig out the substantial evidences any more. Locke may be good at that though. LOL! :wink:

Goh Meng Seng

in TOC's video coverage on REFORM PARTY'S dinner, one of the face that appeared walking up a stair was CENSORED. it looked like ngejay. but for whatever reason it was censored, it remains till now a mystery.

:rolleyes:
 

Avantas

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If what you said is really true, do you think TOC will censor it ?

More likely the censored face belongs to the infamous PMonkey10 Andrew Loh Hong Puey who dare not face the world after he posted porn pics on the old SBF !!!

in TOC's video coverage on REFORM PARTY'S dinner, one of the face that appeared walking up a stair was CENSORED. it looked like ngejay. but for whatever reason it was censored, it remains till now a mystery.

:rolleyes:
 

leetahbar

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maybe he requested that his face be censored...but why? if all his doing were right, fair and justifiable, what does he fear?

some did wrong...are still so defiantly proud and self-righteously praising themselves.
 

Porfirio Rubirosa

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Goh Meng Seng,

I gotta to hand it to you mate, you sure know how to rake the coals:biggrin:

National Solidarity Party leader Mr Goh Meng Seng said “Extremist viewpoints may draw the attention of people and garner the support of other extremists, but most web users will still want to hear balanced, moderate, mature arguments. This is also the reason why the SDP website is rapidly losing its readers.”

Seriously though you may have a point, however I think non partisan objective types should be able to see through the bias after being fed the same from ST favouring PAP after all this while to draw on the more salient critique. Sort of like watching a Michael Moore flick through 3D 'political' lenses:wink:

What I found curious though is notwithstanding SDP's apparent secrecy with respect to the venue of their Hawaiian shindig, some apparent behind the scenes activity may still have played a part in the last minute change of venue:p

Oh and I must say that you now appear to sound more and more like Melvin Tan when you use 'choice' words like "ilk" and "gin gang":biggrin:

Cheers

Avantas,

Wayangparty website was involved in smearing WP during their annual dinner. This is something that I would not agree to. And I guess the secretiveness of SDP annual Haiwanian dinner is also part of an effort of preventing perceived troubles from people who will make trouble for them. It would be very strange when opposition parties would go so sneaky in organizing an annual dinner, isn't it? It all started just because of these bunch of jokers from Wayang Party website.

And if these people are associated with Ejay or his ilk in any ways, then it speaks volume about him and his ilks. And I am really not surprised because of Ejay and his ilks have been quite aggressive against WP. But to go to such an extent to be associated with people in Wayang Party website, I think that's something we expected but would shake head about.

Goh Meng Seng
 

Avantas

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Actually I am not surprised. GMS never like SDP in the first place, but to go to such an extent to discredit them publicly is really downright despicable and callous.




Goh Meng Seng,

I gotta to hand it to you mate, you sure know how to rake the coals:biggrin:

National Solidarity Party leader Mr Goh Meng Seng said “Extremist viewpoints may draw the attention of people and garner the support of other extremists, but most web users will still want to hear balanced, moderate, mature arguments. This is also the reason why the SDP website is rapidly losing its readers.”

Seriously though you may have a point, however I think non partisan objective types should be able to see through the bias after being fed the same from ST favouring PAP after all this while to draw on the more salient critique. Sort of like watching a Michael Moore flick through 3D 'political' lenses:wink:

What I found curious though is notwithstanding SDP's apparent secrecy with respect to the venue of their Hawaiian shindig, some apparent behind the scenes activity may still have played a part in the last minute change of venue:p

Oh and I must say that you now appear to sound more and more like Melvin Tan when you use 'choice' words like "ilk" and "gin gang":biggrin:

Cheers
 

Porfirio Rubirosa

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Ironically all these antics sadly favour only one party - PAP, the very party ALL the opposition parties and political activists are supposed to be against:rolleyes:

Dear Avantas,

I don't believe in pure coincidences. :wink:

There are just too many signs there and then. I shall not go into the past to dig out the substantial evidences any more. Locke may be good at that though. LOL! :wink:

Goh Meng Seng
 

Porfirio Rubirosa

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Well to be fair to Goh Meng Seng, I think he is entitled to speak his mind. Now I may not totally agree with what he says but he has provided his own basis for making such a statement and others are left to draw their own conclusions. Same as the time when Ng E-Jay publicly took Low Thia Khiang to task in the ST Forum. What is good for the goose must be good for the gander eh:wink:

Actually I am not surprised. GMS never like SDP in the first place, but to go to such an extent to discredit them publicly is really downright despicable and callous.
 

Goh Meng Seng

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Goh Meng Seng,

I gotta to hand it to you mate, you sure know how to rake the coals:biggrin:

National Solidarity Party leader Mr Goh Meng Seng said “Extremist viewpoints may draw the attention of people and garner the support of other extremists, but most web users will still want to hear balanced, moderate, mature arguments. This is also the reason why the SDP website is rapidly losing its readers.”

Seriously though you may have a point, however I think non partisan objective types should be able to see through the bias after being fed the same from ST favouring PAP after all this while to draw on the more salient critique. Sort of like watching a Michael Moore flick through 3D 'political' lenses:wink:

What I found curious though is notwithstanding SDP's apparent secrecy with respect to the venue of their Hawaiian shindig, some apparent behind the scenes activity may still have played a part in the last minute change of venue:p

Oh and I must say that you now appear to sound more and more like Melvin Tan when you use 'choice' words like "ilk" and "gin gang":biggrin:

Cheers


Err Folk,

Maybe I should explain it in plain English instead of cut and paste my Chinese clarifications here. :wink:

The first part of the statement is made by me, not the second part. The whole statement should mean that some websites may put up extreme views and naturally will attract people who already have extreme views to it, making more noise by the rousing up support for these websites. However, in the mean time, they will lose the majority viewers who are more liken to be moderates and centrists. It is not possible for me to know whether SDP website viewership has dropped or not. I was speaking in general, stating a general observation, not specifically referring to SDP website.

The article may be written so basically it links to the other answers I have made with regards to SDP's perceived stronger support on the Net. I said, ultimately, all political parties will have to face ALL voters in General Elections. It is an indisputable fact that SDP has not been doing as well as it used to do back in early 1990s.

There isn't really anything to gain by attacking SDP. Its not my job, its PAP's job to do so.

Goh Meng Seng
 

Wisely

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Err Folk,

Maybe I should explain it in plain English instead of cut and paste my Chinese clarifications here. :wink:

The first part of the statement is made by me, not the second part. The whole statement should mean that some websites may put up extreme views and naturally will attract people who already have extreme views to it, making more noise by the rousing up support for these websites. However, in the mean time, they will lose the majority viewers who are more liken to be moderates and centrists. It is not possible for me to know whether SDP website viewership has dropped or not. I was speaking in general, stating a general observation, not specifically referring to SDP website.

The article may be written so basically it links to the other answers I have made with regards to SDP's perceived stronger support on the Net. I said, ultimately, all political parties will have to face ALL voters in General Elections. It is an indisputable fact that SDP has not been doing as well as it used to do back in early 1990s.

There isn't really anything to gain by attacking SDP. Its not my job, its PAP's job to do so.

Goh Meng Seng

The Chinese quote you gave mentioned "SDP". Looks like Zaobao quoted you way out of context. If you made no mention of SDP, they cannot just put words or nouns in your mouth.

I suggest you write to their Zaobao forum to give them a piece of your mind.
 

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I am Darkcloud.

I used to know ng e jay and his circle of friends. He will follow the wind where it blow. I am not surprised that given his deep anti-WP, anti-TOC feelings that he has aligned himself with thinknothing. In fact, there is quite good evidence that ng e jay may be thinknothing himself.

I am Darkcloud.
 

Avantas

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Looks like the conspiracy is getting thicker !!!

I don't think E Jay is so despicable to use clones.

BTW, who is this thinknothing ??? I had never seen him around in the forums or blogs. Why are you guys so mad about him ?

I am Darkcloud.

I used to know ng e jay and his circle of friends. He will follow the wind where it blow. I am not surprised that given his deep anti-WP, anti-TOC feelings that he has aligned himself with thinknothing. In fact, there is quite good evidence that ng e jay may be thinknothing himself.

I am Darkcloud.
 
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