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Tips for doing business in OZ

scroobal

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Ok, you got your PR papers, always been keen to run a business, so what next?

Some Key Business Differentials with Singapore

These are some of key notables both positives ands negatives that one must keep in mind thus its entry at the top.

1) Commercial Rentals are way below singapore. Thus start-up costs are relatively much lower.

2) Labour costs are so much higher so labour intensive businesses are less attractive. Not only in terms of wages and statutory payments but in terms of disputes, complaints and wasting time with labour tribunals.

3) As labour costs is high, the positive is running a business when you are the main source is labour is very lucrative ie owner operated such as Hair Dressing Saloon or Barber shop. I know a HK Lady, a single who runs a one man saloon and has managed to educate her kids to Uni, drive a nice car, owns a nice house, all from that business alone.

4) Barriers to business is generally lower and therefore, if it fails, chances of recovering is also high unlike Singapore. Running a takeaway with 2 woks, a fridge, a freezer with a small leased space will come up to less than $10K. Nearly every suburb has available vacancies. The returns are also high.

5) There so many free programs and lessons conducted by various state bodies and also low fee TAFE programs on running businesses that it is a crime not taking it up. Here is a funny part where a singaporean enrolled for a such a program in TAFE but ended up lecturing at TAFE on how to run a business.

6) Lack of critical mass when it comes to walk-in business compared to Singapore. Population in OZ is highly distributed. In Singapore, thousands of people walk pass most shops in an hour compared to tens in OZ. So be careful with location. Take this seriously when choosing a location.

7) In Australia, an employee cannot be restricted to working for only one employer. He can run multiple businesses if it does not affect his employment performance.

Basic Considerations for Running a Business

1) Find an accountant. Absolutely essential and worth every penny if it is the right one. There are so many tax rebates, deductions, incentves and financial incentives and grants for small and medirum businesses that only an accountant can tackle. Talk with the veterans who migrated earlier and are running a business, they can recommend you one that is familiar with Asians. There are also many Asian accountants. The right accountant is one who can do the following
a) Do the business plan to obtain loans from banks.
b) Handle all the licensing and incorporation needs
c) Do due diligence to see if you can achieve positive cash flow etc
d) Handle your taxes.

note: get the wrong accountant and he will screw you.

2) Books - Acquire a book from the local bookstore on how to run a small business. Tips and URLs on various are available.


3)Buying an existing business
Its an OZ trait to run 2 accounting books to reduce the tax burden. 2 books are also used by people to sell underperforming businesses to the unwary. Inflated sales and profits with taxes declared are nothing new. A better way is to sit outside the business and work out the patronage over 2 weeks, taking into consideration the seasonal variations.

Existing businesses are popular, because of customer base and staff. These staff can also train you. Many businesses are prepared to train the new owners as part of the sale price. Some of the common businesses that are popular with asian migrants are News Agencies with Lottery and Restaurants. Never buy a business where the driving force or key ingredient is the original owner such as hair dressing saloons.

Leave your name with Business Brokers if you are keen. Many operate websites and some have catalogues. News Agencies also have Magazines that list busineses that are for sale. Be familiar with terms such as WIWO, price plus SAV.

4) Buying a franchise
Can be nightmare and much of the profits go in the way of royalties and purchase of consumables from the same party. Typically, successful franchise models are expensive and require high capital startup. An accountant is certainly necessary to understand the liabilities and caveats.

5) Financials - Aim for maximum cash flow and not operate with a mindset of throwing tax deductible expenses into the business at every opportunity. I have known migrants who buy expesive cars etc because of tax reasons and load the business with unnecessary costs and then find it difficult to sell it later. Minimise capital outlay and lease where possible especially for new startup who are not sure if it can be a success. There are also many auction houses that regulary dispose of items from failed businesses so do seriously consider 2nd hand items.

6) Approach your Business Banking Manger. This guy has lots of contacts. Many banks now engage Asians to handle asians especially in the cities. Just drop by and talk. They can recommend things that are very different from Singapore.

7) Use temp staff - which carries higher loading but will save you a lot of problems until you are more comfortable handling them. I know of successful business that only work with temp staff.

ps. will add more with time. Others please contribute views/ tips
 

axe168

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Some Key Business Differentials with Singapore

These are some of key notables both positives ands negatives that one must keep in mind thus its entry at the top.

1) Commercial Rentals are way below singapore. Thus start-up costs are relatively much lower.
Agree. Very cheap to operate a retail store Bond guarantee only 1 mth advance

2) Labour costs are so much higher so labour intensive businesses are less attractive. Not only in terms of wages and statutory payments but in terms of disputes, complaints and wasting time with labour tribunals.
Not really if you employed contract staff or temp.. once they make noise.. you'll bloody sack them !

3) As labour costs is high, the positive is running a business when you are the main source is labour is very lucrative ie owner operated such as Hair Dressing Saloon or Barber shop. I know a HK Lady, a single who runs a one man saloon and has managed to educate her kids to Uni, drive a nice car, owns a nice house, all from that business alone.
Totally agree. This is why I DIY myself.. and employ contract specialists.

4) Barriers to business is generally lower and therefore, if it fails, chances of recovering is also high unlike Singapore. Running a takeaway with 2 woks, a fridge, a freezer with a small leased space will come up to less than $10K. Nearly every suburb has available vacancies. The returns are also high.
Do not forget the licensing.. and the whites prefers Asians once a while.. they do not like poor hygiene.

5) There so many free programs and lessons conducted by various state bodies and also low fee TAFE programs on running businesses that it is a crime not taking it up. Here is a funny part where a singaporean enrolled for a such a program in TAFE but ended up lecturing at TAFE on how to run a business.
If you require programs to run a business. My suggestion forget it !

6) Lack of critical mass when it comes to walk-in business compared to Singapore. Population in OZ is highly distributed. In Singapore, thousands of people walk pass most shops in an hour compared to tens in OZ. So be careful with location. Take this seriously when choosing a location.
Yes agree.

7) In Australia, an employee cannot be restricted to working for only one employer. He can run multiple businesses if it does not affect his employment performance.
I jus did that ! Feels good !
 
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neddy

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Ok, you got your PR papers, always been keen to run a business, so what next?

My 2-cent worth.

Some Key Business Differentials with Singapore

ps. will add more with time. Others please contribute views/ tips

Transplanting a successful Singapore business
I remembered counting how long "Beard Papa" can last in Morley Galleria or even "Prima Taste" on Perth's Barrack St. It just won't work!

Bubble-tea did not quite work out.

While it is possible for "Bee Cheng Hiang", "Genki Sushi" to thrive in Hongkong.
"Sushi-Tei" only got a toe-hold in Sydney. It helps that sushi is Aussie finger food now.

Then there is Singapore's Harry. http://www.harryschillicrab.com.au/
 

scroobal

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Good point. The best is to adopt an australian outlook and mindset. For instance, Chinese restaurants are very popular and takeway is now part of the local psyche. Every suburb has one.

I see more and more asians in real estate. That seems to be demand for sians even among the bigger firms to get into the migrant stream.


Transplanting a successful Singapore business
I remembered counting how long "Beard Papa" can last in Morley Galleria or even "Prima Taste" on Perth's Barrack St. It just won't work!

Bubble-tea did not quite work out.
 

scroobal

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Home Office

This is where singaporeans need to think out of the box. Business need not be confined to an commercial office or a rental. You can literally rent a room from your home to run a business including telephone/fax/ water cooler and use the rent and associated cost uncluding utilities as business cost. Here are couple of popular businesses run out of homes

Catering ( you however cannot cook in a residential home) But to can take orders, do your runs from your home etc. Web based, hair dressing, nail manicures, dress making and alterations, cooking classes, sales of costmetics, nutrion supplies, consultancy work, real estate etc.

One common practice is hire the spouse to handle enquiries and paperwork and get paid for it. The tax burden is also lower when both are earning an income rather than one. Also when interest rates hit the roof and you have joint investment property, negative gearing can apply to both more effectively.

Those who are gainfully employed such as lawyers, consultants, accountants with an established client list etc can still covert your homes and work some days at home and some days in the office. The idea is to achieve quality of life as well as good income. This appeals to the Ladies who are highly qualified but have kids that they like to raise with a strong value system.

Do remember, it is always beneficial to have worked in a permanent capacity in Australia prior to venturing into private business especially for high end professionals such as lawyers, accountants, engineers, valuers etc.

Here is an example of singaporean lady who came to australia, took up a beauty treatment course, worked for an Australian business and set it up at home with the necessary equipment. She told me that 90% of her work is removing blacks spots from face. It is time consuming but pays well due to time. She set up a timetable, requires appointment and works usually in the mornings. Business rapidly built up due to word of mouth and she stopped taking newer clients after a while. She has since retired and smells the roses.
 
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Aussie Prick

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Who in thier right mind would consider doing anything in Australia but leaving like all the other Australians?

Australia is a shit country, sorry to inform you and Singaporeans are not interested these days.
 

neddy

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Good point. The best is to adopt an australian outlook and mindset. For instance, Chinese restaurants are very popular and takeway is now part of the local psyche. Every suburb has one.

I remember visiting a Chinese takeaway in the UK where 80% of the business is fish & chips. :biggrin: But fortunately, Aussies are in a way more palette friendly.

Don't be surprised if, in your local suburb, when this hongkonger notice you order sweet and sour pork, he has the heart to tell you that he will do "authentic asian style" for you, using peking sauce. Why? sweet and sour is for gweilo/angmo.

And if you observe carefully, prawn crackers and fried springrolls and fried dimsim are usually the best sellers. And they love their noodle sweet.

There is no harm including nasi goreng in the menu. Look, the locals do not bother about nasi goreng not been Chinese food.

Even the local Greek-run fish and chips shop have introduce fried dimsim into their menu.

This is food multiculturalism ... Aussie style. :biggrin:

Now, you just have to find a new surburb where there are not too many poms living there.
 

axe168

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Home Office

Here is an example of singaporean lady who came to australia, took up a beauty treatment course, worked for an Australian business and set it up at home with the necessary equipment. She told me that 90% of her work is removing blacks spots from face. It is time consuming but pays well due to time. She set up a timetable, requires appointment and works usually in the mornings. Business rapidly built up due to word of mouth and she stopped taking newer clients after a while. She has since retired and smells the roses.

What ya refering is always the time related business.. ie being a consultant and charge for xx/hr.. work as a owner cum hairdresser charging good rates.. owner cum cook for take away.. What wld happen if the main actor falls sick ? planning to go holidays ? the business has to shut down during interim.

One shld never think of this as a long term business plan.. There are money making at every corners.. it is best to 'manage' obtain reasonable profits and let the doer take the task.. win-win for all ! In this way, you can put your brains on other ventures and explore more..

my 2 cents
 

scroobal

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Do agree that Aussie are more adventurous. The Indians in London now serve chips with curry sauce.

I remember visiting this Chinese takeaway in the UK where 80% of the business is fish & chips. :biggrin: But Aussies are in a way more palette friendly.

Don't be surprised if, in your local suburb, when this hongkonger notice you order sweet and sour pork, he has the heart to tell you that he will do "authentic asian style" for you, using peking sauce. Why? sweet and sour is for gweilo/angmo.

And if you observe carefully, prawn crackers and fried springrolls and fried dimsim are usually the best sellers. And they love their noodle sweet.

There is no harm including nasi goreng in the menu. Look, the locals do not bother about nasi goreng not been Chinese food.

Even the local Greek-run fish and chips shop have introduce fried dimsim into their menu.

This is food multiculturalism ... Aussie style. :biggrin:
 

Asychee

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Some Key Business Differentials with Singapore

These are some of key notables both positives ands negatives that one must keep in mind thus its entry at the top.

1) Commercial Rentals are way below singapore. Thus start-up costs are relatively much lower.
Agree. Very cheap to operate a retail store Bond guarantee only 1 mth advance

2) Labour costs are so much higher so labour intensive businesses are less attractive. Not only in terms of wages and statutory payments but in terms of disputes, complaints and wasting time with labour tribunals.
Not really if you employed contract staff or temp.. once they make noise.. you'll bloody sack them !

3) As labour costs is high, the positive is running a business when you are the main source is labour is very lucrative ie owner operated such as Hair Dressing Saloon or Barber shop. I know a HK Lady, a single who runs a one man saloon and has managed to educate her kids to Uni, drive a nice car, owns a nice house, all from that business alone.
Totally agree. This is why I DIY myself.. and employ contract specialists.

4) Barriers to business is generally lower and therefore, if it fails, chances of recovering is also high unlike Singapore. Running a takeaway with 2 woks, a fridge, a freezer with a small leased space will come up to less than $10K. Nearly every suburb has available vacancies. The returns are also high.
Do not forget the licensing.. and the whites prefers Asians once a while.. they do not like poor hygiene.

5) There so many free programs and lessons conducted by various state bodies and also low fee TAFE programs on running businesses that it is a crime not taking it up. Here is a funny part where a singaporean enrolled for a such a program in TAFE but ended up lecturing at TAFE on how to run a business.
If you require programs to run a business. My suggestion forget it !

6) Lack of critical mass when it comes to walk-in business compared to Singapore. Population in OZ is highly distributed. In Singapore, thousands of people walk pass most shops in an hour compared to tens in OZ. So be careful with location. Take this seriously when choosing a location.
Yes agree.

7) In Australia, an employee cannot be restricted to working for only one employer. He can run multiple businesses if it does not affect his employment performance.
I jus did that ! Feels good !

Hi brother,

While i have always advocate running a business. I belive it is better for the potential biz owner to know what he wants in life. I have come across many immigrant that spent so much time running a convenience store, gas station and etc that they miss out of spending time with their family. In my case, i go for passive income or business that really did not need me to spend too much time on it (Eg. started in Vending Machine, went on to i have Employment Agency that bring in only FT to Canada). Passive Income comes from my rental properties which the FT is staying. This way, i can spend time guiding my 2 Teens kids and spending time with the 2 younger ones.

Bottom Line work smart not hard. There is opportunities everywhere, it depends if it is suitable for you.

Regards
 

neddy

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What ya refering is always the time related business.. ie being a consultant and charge for xx/hr.. work as a owner cum hairdresser charging good rates.. owner cum cook for take away.. What wld happen if the main actor falls sick ? planning to go holidays ? the business has to shut down during interim.

One shld never think of this as a long term business plan.. There are money making at every corners.. it is best to 'manage' obtain reasonable profits and let the doer take the task.. win-win for all ! In this way, you can put your brains on other ventures and explore more..

my 2 cents

One thing I found out. Don't be a hairdresser in Australia, esp Perth.

1. The Greek/Italians have control over this business. Starting in (catholic) school days, the Greek/Italian women are more interested in beauty/hair/clothes/guys than in math/science/history.

2. Their annual income is quite low, due to the nature of the hair business. How many of them can charge big bucks? Sometimes, no appointment needed.

3. Usually, the builder or businessman husbands/fathers need to help to keep these business afloat. (Have a nagging wife at home is overwhelming.)

Anyone disagree?
 

scroobal

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Bro, either you do not read the post entirely or you don't understand it. The same happened with previous posts.

For your sake alone, I can't put disclaimers such as you can't operate a restaurant in a home, you can't run a supermarket in a home. I can't also put statements such as running a metal fabrication plant in your bedroom as the long term outlook is not good. These are common sense and if I go down to that level, peeple would think that I am treating them as idiots. Note that I also did not suggest a theme park or crash repair facility in the home. Do you know why.

In the previous posts, I mentioned that you can consider using temp staff to avoid labour issues. I also put programs run by various state bodies and you must have thought software.

Do read properly ands assume that readers have an average IQ or more and can discern the obvious.

Ever wondered how husband/wife operated business can allow the husband/wife and the family to go on holidays. Ever wondered how the family doctor or your specialist can go on holidays at their own timing even though your heart condition is still there or your pregnant wife is due during the gynae's planned holiday.

What ya refering is always the time related business.. ie being a consultant and charge for xx/hr.. work as a owner cum hairdresser charging good rates.. owner cum cook for take away.. What wld happen if the main actor falls sick ? planning to go holidays ? the business has to shut down during interim.

One shld never think of this as a long term business plan.. There are money making at every corners.. it is best to 'manage' obtain reasonable profits and let the doer take the task.. win-win for all ! In this way, you can put your brains on other ventures and explore more..

my 2 cents
 

scroobal

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Do you know the meaning of cash economy and do you know why the GST was put in place?

Why is annual income low and what is the nature of the business that makes it low.


One thing I found out. Don't be a hairdresser in Australia, esp Perth.

1. The Greek/Italians have control over this business. Starting in (catholic) school days, the Greek/Italian women are more interested in beauty/hair/clothes/guys than in math/science/history.

2. Their annual income is quite low, due to the nature of the hair business. How many of them can charge big bucks? Sometimes, no appointment needed.

3. Usually, the builder or businessman husbands/fathers need to help to keep these business afloat. (Have a nagging wife at home is overwhelming.)

Anyone disagree?
 

axe168

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Hi brother,

While i have always advocate running a business. I belive it is better for the potential biz owner to know what he wants in life. I have come across many immigrant that spent so much time running a convenience store, gas station and etc that they miss out of spending time with their family. In my case, i go for passive income or business that really did not need me to spend too much time on it (Eg. started in Vending Machine, went on to i have Employment Agency that bring in only FT to Canada). Passive Income comes from my rental properties which the FT is staying. This way, i can spend time guiding my 2 Teens kids and spending time with the 2 younger ones.

Bottom Line work smart not hard. There is opportunities everywhere, it depends if it is suitable for you.

Regards

Yes right ! there's too many convenience store owners and too many franchise flying around ~ paying $150k fee ? Gimme a break! As much as I like... I prefer to avoid these. I have heard my mom's frz from Msia kampong advise it is profitable to sell dumpling by the beach. Her relative in Aust did juz that ! Hmmm.. ie If someoearn an avg of $400/day.. so how many dumplings must i sell ? and how many to achieve a net profit of $400/day ? How long does he has to stand under the sun for a decent sale ? Of course the same applies to Char Kway Tiao concept.. remain standing at all times.

Bro i agree. Passive income is the way to go and you get to enjoy your family life ! We share common views. either Scroobal's English is too deep or simply no one understands him.. He is advocating Char Kway Tiao concept.. OMG! I wonder where you can find a sinkie with those sets of skills ? Most sinkies cant even cook for a decent meal.. How many hairdresser can we find ? Pengz..
 
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scroobal

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Excellent approach and thanks for sharing.

I will share this true life example. One of the most successful criminal lawyers in Singapore, Sant Singh migrated to Perth Many years ago. He was the chap that defended Durai and also the doctor who was acquitted for molest only last week.

His home and office is in Perth and does the bulk of his work in Perth. He will get referrals from law firms and handles cases in Singapore selectively. He does not practice in OZ. He flies in for briefing and court cases.

Talk about quality of life.


Hi brother,

While i have always advocate running a business. I belive it is better for the potential biz owner to know what he wants in life.
 

scroobal

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Ethnic groups are notorious for tax avoidance and that includes asians. The tendency especially the previous generation is to run businesses where cash is transacted. With cash, there is no audit trail. You just choose a figure and declare taxes.

Thats why you see Asians, Greek and Italians running food outlets, hair dressing joints and beauty parlours. Ask your wife if she got a receipt from her hairdresser.

Could you now explain why nature of hair dressing business results in low income. Maybe Ladies cut their own hair, hairstyling gone out of fashion, every corner got hair dressers so supply has exceeded demand etc. Really keen to know.

Please enighten me.
 

neddy

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He is advocating Char Kway Tiao concept.. OMG! I wonder where you can find a sinkie with those sets of skills ? Most sinkies cant even cook for a decent meal.. How many hairdresser can we find ? Pengz..

You said the magic words, Char Kway Tiao. Perhaps some humour for the lunch crowd.

Maybe set up fish and chips shop. Just add oil and batter to imported hoki fish fillets :biggrin:

Remove fish from oil when you get the same golden color that you see in other fish and chips shops

Same for fries and spring rolls (buy frozen in bulk).

Put fish on grease paper and wrap in borrowed (from wife) non-bleach mahjong paper. (is there another name for this type of paper - saw them in Officeworks)

In NZ, they use newspaper for the outermost layer to save money. :biggrin:

But in Aus, when retire, can become politician like Pauline.
 

Asychee

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Ethnic groups are notorious for tax avoidance and that includes asians. The tendency especially the previous generation is to run businesses where cash is transacted. With cash, there is no audit trail. You just choose a figure and declare taxes.

Thats why you see Asians, Greek and Italians running food outlets, hair dressing joints and beauty parlours. Ask your wife if she got a receipt from her hairdresser.

Could you now explain why nature of hair dressing business results in low income. Maybe Ladies cut their own hair, hairstyling gone out of fashion, every corner got hair dressers so supply has exceeded demand etc. Really keen to know.

I think this pattern the Oz or Ca govt oredi know. Think of it from anther perspective, a shelf employed person can also inflat the income pay more but pay less taxes thru biz write-off and eventually get a bigger mortgage to buy more rental property.

Disclaim: I do not have any accounting qualification but this is only from my "O" Level understanding only. So tolong dont blindly follow this advise check with your accountant
 

axe168

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I think this pattern the Oz or Ca govt oredi know. Think of it from anther perspective, a shelf employed person can also inflat the income pay more but pay less taxes thru biz write-off and eventually get a bigger mortgage to buy more rental property.

Disclaim: I do not have any accounting qualification but this is only from my "O" Level understanding only. So tolong dont blindly follow this advise check with your accountant

Heehee Bro, I'm glad you know the tricks ! A smart businessman will always change the environment to suit him (I'm still learning the hard way) whereas Sinkies tried all ways to deter themselves from moving forward.

Big pic bro.. the commoner will depend on the rental yield.. It is normally the huge capital gains that make the killing !

ya "O" and I' "O" too.. 3 cheers for us !

3 cheers for us !
 
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