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How Sg Govt can help quitters to maintain their ties with Sg

Asychee

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Dear all,

Let's face the facts, the stats are telling that Sgean are going to migrate anyway regardless of the "info" that 154th newspaper prints.

Since this is the situation, why not think out of the box - instead of doing all the "band aid" solution (eg. disrupting a good posting, brain washing etc) - which get us all nowhere, why dont we look far ahead.

Help all these quitters to do well or sucessfully integrated into their adopted country, grant them dual citizenship option. Go easy on the NS requirement for their boys - be big hearted lossing 1 or 2 does not means end of the world. If the current way of doing things is not working, why not change.

Let's debate on the merits and effects of such a move.

I can send all my backroom operations back to Sg like accounting, call centre, virtual assist or to take example of what works in Sg and modify it to make it work in Ca.

In the process what does Sg stand to gain - back room jobs & knowledge for sgean. Knowledge of what works and what does not work in other country on the ground level. Repeat this in areas where there are a ex Sg population - start small and work it way up to the bigger population centre.

Life is dynamic, whatever that works in the past might not work anymore in the future. We have to be adaptable. The only resources that we have are Human - the key to survive and do well and excel over others are KNOWLEDGE.

The sg clubs that i seen in Brunei, Thailand, Philippines, Oz, Canada. They are more like social club rather than to achieve anything specific (maybe to promote Sg). The people that run some of this club has their own agenda (their or spouses occupation usually realtors, insurance agent, business broker & etc). Any quitter that migrate to a new country will usually face the same challenge, so why not have a SOP match to the current economic conditions.

In the past, in Sg we have the "Huay Kwan - society" why not used the concept to modernise it.

Currently, i am sending backroom my accounting, the call centre & virtual assistant to Philippines. I am good $$ to these companies and the economic effect are there.

I have a strong belief that for Sg, we can move up the chain to target the more value added service. When we are sucessful, others will tap into our expertise.

Well this is all i have to say. I m waiting for those naysayer to start their lambasting. Go ahead "Ready, Aim & Own time Own target Fire". I am only "O" level nia, naive and no brain.
 
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eatshitndie

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they have already. they've given up on the notion that the overseas diaspora is negative to sg. they're starting to embrace it by setting up an osu in the pmo. in many of the recent meetings and functions overseas with sg communities, expats, clubs and associations, the message is clear: sinkies and ex-sinkies are part of the expanding network of the sg experience and her international relevance. sg is no longer a limited island nation but a connected community beyond her shores. there's a dual agenda in this change of heart. one, promote sg experience and best practice (and boast about her excellence in the governance of her homeland) to the larger global village with critical mass of talented sinkies in specific talent hot spots, eg. boston, sf, shanghai, london, etc. two, stay connected to sinkies and ex-sinkies to maintain some form of control and communication. the gov has pretty much given up on keeping fleet footed talented sinkies at home. if they need to go, let them go and expand the base for sg. at home, keep inviting cheap labor to keep the mnc's and glc's happy while attracting some foreign talent to keep cutting edge research alive. they pretty much know that the best will go abroad while the lowlives will stay for lack of talent, guts and resources. the focus now is on making the elite more elite and homebase business- and investment-friendly while staying connected with her real talent overseas. the nobodies that are left behind should just be treated as nobodies. all the policies enacted so far point in that direction.
 

neddy

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Dear all,

Currently, i am sending backroom my accounting, the call centre & virtual assistant to Philippines. I am good $$ to these companies and the economic effect are there.

You mean, send your backroom accounting, the call centre & virtual assistant to Singapore, so that the Singapore company there will employ or outsource cheap and hardworking Pinoys to do the jobs for you.

Is the cost of outsourcing to Singapore cheaper than doing in Canada?

Will it work?
 

redbull313

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Dear all,

Let's face the facts, the stats are telling that Sgean are going to migrate anyway regardless of the "info" that 154th newspaper prints.

Since this is the situation, why not think out of the box - instead of doing all the "band aid" solution (eg. disrupting a good posting, brain washing etc) - which get us all nowhere, why dont we look far ahead.

Help all these quitters to do well or sucessfully integrated into their adopted country, grant them dual citizenship option. Go easy on the NS requirement for their boys - be big hearted lossing 1 or 2 does not means end of the world. If the current way of doing things is not working, why not change.

Let's debate on the merits and effects of such a move.

I can send all my backroom operations back to Sg like accounting, call centre, virtual assist or to take example of what works in Sg and modify it to make it work in Ca.

In the process what does Sg stand to gain - back room jobs & knowledge for sgean. Knowledge of what works and what does not work in other country on the ground level. Repeat this in areas where there are a ex Sg population - start small and work it way up to the bigger population centre.

Life is dynamic, whatever that works in the past might not work anymore in the future. We have to be adaptable. The only resources that we have are Human - the key to survive and do well and excel over others are KNOWLEDGE.

The sg clubs that i seen in Brunei, Thailand, Philippines, Oz, Canada. They are more like social club rather than to achieve anything specific (maybe to promote Sg). The people that run some of this club has their own agenda (their or spouses occupation usually realtors, insurance agent, business broker & etc). Any quitter that migrate to a new country will usually face the same challenge, so why not have a SOP match to the current economic conditions.

In the past, in Sg we have the "Huay Kwan - society" why not used the concept to modernise it.

Currently, i am sending backroom my accounting, the call centre & virtual assistant to Philippines. I am good $$ to these companies and the economic effect are there.

I have a strong belief that for Sg, we can move up the chain to target the more value added service. When we are sucessful, others will tap into our expertise.

Well this is all i have to say. I m waiting for those naysayer to start their lambasting. Go ahead "Ready, Aim & Own time Own target Fire". I am only "O" level nia, naive and no brain.

I think that was the whole purpose behind that questionaire I filled out when I renounced my SG

They really seem to want to keep an eye on me after I said adios

And I keep getting all this mail from them all the time
 

Asychee

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You mean, send your backroom accounting, the call centre & virtual assistant to Singapore, so that the Singapore company there will employ or outsource cheap and hardworking Pinoys to do the jobs for you.

Is the cost of outsourcing to Singapore cheaper than doing in Canada?

Will it work?

I used to hire a Ang mo asst. to do it. She works for a few months and quit - i have to re trained another to do it again. Until i reached the point, i am not going to retrain anybody anymore. I just subcontract it to a call centre that handles my calls, arranged my appt, do my book keeping. So that i have time to cbl.
 

kakowi

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You mean, send your backroom accounting, the call centre & virtual assistant to Singapore, so that the Singapore company there will employ or outsource cheap and hardworking Pinoys to do the jobs for you.

Is the cost of outsourcing to Singapore cheaper than doing in Canada?

Will it work?

(above quote is a response by neddy to threadstarter. My post is directed to threadstarter, not neddy)

Companies in Singapore outsourced such activities to other countries.

Why do you need a middleman?

What will you benefit?

Besides, why do you need to maintain your ties to Singapore if you decide to leave?
 

Asychee

Alfrescian
Loyal
they have already. they've given up on the notion that the overseas diaspora is negative to sg. they're starting to embrace it by setting up an osu in the pmo. in many of the recent meetings and functions overseas with sg communities, expats, clubs and associations, the message is clear: sinkies and ex-sinkies are part of the expanding network of the sg experience and her international relevance. sg is no longer a limited island nation but a connected community beyond her shores. there's a dual agenda in this change of heart. one, promote sg experience and best practice (and boast about her excellence in the governance of her homeland) to the larger global village with critical mass of talented sinkies in specific talent hot spots, eg. boston, sf, shanghai, london, etc. two, stay connected to sinkies and ex-sinkies to maintain some form of control and communication. the gov has pretty much given up on keeping fleet footed talented sinkies at home. if they need to go, let them go and expand the base for sg. at home, keep inviting cheap labor to keep the mnc's and glc's happy while attracting some foreign talent to keep cutting edge research alive. they pretty much know that the best will go abroad while the lowlives will stay for lack of talent, guts and resources. the focus now is on making the elite more elite and homebase business- and investment-friendly while staying connected with her real talent overseas. the nobodies that are left behind should just be treated as nobodies. all the policies enacted so far point in that direction.

Dear fellow samster,
I would invite you to give these guys a call. Let them know that you are coming over and you will see what kind of help they are giving (lip service - NATO).

If you ask them to help u look for a house or a job. See what are the reaction that you get. I have tried them in Manila, Brunei and Oz. Same kind of people with their own agenda that hang around.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teochew_Poit_Ip_Huay_Kuan

The kind of service provided by them is more pratical - in my opinion.
 

Asychee

Alfrescian
Loyal
You mean, send your backroom accounting, the call centre & virtual assistant to Singapore, so that the Singapore company there will employ or outsource cheap and hardworking Pinoys to do the jobs for you.

Is the cost of outsourcing to Singapore cheaper than doing in Canada?

Will it work?

I m looking at more knowledge based stuff coming out of Sg then just menial task in Philippines. For instance, if a person wants to move from Sg to Ca - the tax advisor needs to be able to advise me how to position myself to maximize the situation.

while waiting for my CA PR. i ask my agent about all the details but she was very accomodating and tried to find out everything. As her papers were being processed too. That way, she comes into to Canada better informed and she is doing great now.

Migration is a very big industry and the investment is low as most of it comes from knowledge and contacts.
 

Asychee

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Loyal
Besides, why do you need to maintain your ties to Singapore if you decide to leave?

I have no ill feelings towards singapore. It is the Pappy elitist policies that runs the system that i have a problem with.

There is a chinese say "Ying Swee Sze Yuan". Remember the source that you are drinking from.

Prior to migrating to CA, my wife(filipino-optometrist) was in Sg. She remember to serve her own race of people by going to different churches or filipino organisation nearly every sunday. To check the eyes of the maids and if they need glasses, we will sell it to them and they pay in 2-3 installment. Those that has serious eye problem like glaucoma. She referred them to specialist.

She did not seek glory, she sees it as it is something she can give back to the society that nuture her. She did not like the govt. for all it's corruption - it is not going stop her from to do the little things she could.

You may ask what did she get out of it?

Money wise from the Eye checking is pittance but from the Employment Agency that resulted from it - lots.

Wifey - Letters of Appreciation, Catholic churches and organisation wrote wonderful letters and when they learn that we are going to Edmonton. The filipino community network connected us 1 nice family in Edmonton to assist us during our 1st landing. (we accomplished our objectives, find a job, buy our own house, find a school for kids). What touches me most was, the couple was willing to co-sign on a house we wanted to buy without knowing us at all but we did not take up their offer,

Me - The employment agency was a eye opener, it helps me to develop biz instincts and to see things differently from a salaried person.

Kids -They learn about empathy. They respect all people regardless of their background. It helps them heaps when they were in Ca.

I am helping fellow samster and singaporean who become CA PR in Edmonton. I am not looking for glory, i am just doing my little bit and paying it forward.
 
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eatshitndie

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
Dear fellow samster,
I would invite you to give these guys a call. Let them know that you are coming over and you will see what kind of help they are giving (lip service - NATO).

If you ask them to help u look for a house or a job. See what are the reaction that you get. I have tried them in Manila, Brunei and Oz. Same kind of people with their own agenda that hang around.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teochew_Poit_Ip_Huay_Kuan

The kind of service provided by them is more pratical - in my opinion.

most sg folks who made it here in the bay area first settle here in isolation on their own, without much help from fellow sinkies. those who keep pestering for help and ask too many questions would most likely not make it here.
 
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