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Will Samak be forced to resign?

sunny302

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Thai protest continues
Protesters force policemen off compound

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BANGKOK - THAI anti-government protesters occupying the grounds of the prime minister's office forced several hundred policemen off the compound early on Friday and promised more action in their bid to oust the leader.
Police exercised restraint when the demonstrators - some armed with golf clubs, batons and bamboo sticks - pushed up to 400 officers out of the Government House grounds at about 1 am.

Protesters celebrated by dancing to rock music, a sharp contrast to the tensions the night before when they feared a raid and threw up makeshift barricades.

'We can relax now, but please be cautious, they might return soon,' protest organiser Samran Rodpetch announced from a stage.

Thousands of supporters of the conservative People's Alliance for Democracy spent a third night encamped at Government House in support of their campaign to force Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej from office.

The alliance accuses Mr Samak's government of serving as a proxy for former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, who was ousted in a 2006 coup and faces several pending corruption cases. Mr Thaksin is in self-imposed exile in Britain.

After Mr Thaksin was deposed in the bloodless coup, his party was dissolved and he was banned from public office until 2012.

But Mr Samak led Mr Thaksin's political allies to a December 2007 election victory, and their assumption of power triggered fears that Mr Thaksin would make a political comeback on the strength of his continued popularity in Thailand's rural majority.

The number of protesters in and around the government compound has varied from a few thousand most mornings to a high of 30,000 who staged demonstrations at several locations on Tuesday across Bangkok.

The alliance promised a 'final showdown' this week, but has suffered several setbacks, including when it sent several dozen masked thugs on Tuesday to take over a government-controlled television station. The band surrendered to police and video of the bullying tactics were broadcast repeatedly.

Police issued arrest warrants on Wednesday for nine of the group's leaders on charges of insurrection, conspiracy, illegal assembly and refusing orders to disperse. Insurrection, the legal equivalent of treason, carries a maximum penalty of death or life imprisonment.

Another court issued an order late on Wednesday demanding that the protesters leave the government compound immediately and stop blocking streets.

On Thursday, a court rejected the alliance's appeal of the order to vacate Government House, which was seized on Tuesday.

One of the top alliance leaders, Mr Chamlong Srimuang, told reporters on Thursday night that protesters would continue to rally at the compound despite the court order.

Mr Chamlong, one of the nine leaders sought by police, insisted the protesters were doing nothing wrong.

'We are staging a protest because the government has made too many mistakes and has no legitimacy to run the country,' he said. 'Our political rallying will get stronger because more of our supporters from upcountry will come to help us. We will not back down.'

The alliance's best known leaders are Mr Chamlong, an influential former politician and army officer, and Mr Sondhi Limthongkul, a media mogul.

'We can withstand any difficult conditions if we can topple Samak,' said Mr Kitja Usaiphan, 43, a fisherman who has been camping at the government compound since Tuesday.

Mr Samak, who refuses to resign, has accused the protesters of trying to provoke violence.

'They want bloodshed in the country. They want the military to come out and do the coup again,' Mr Samak said.

The military has said it is not planning a coup. Thailand has had 17 constitutions since 1932 - a reflection of the political instability and military coups that followed the drafting of the first charter that created a constitutional monarchy.

The last coup was in 2006, when Mr Thaksin was ousted. -- AP
 

twinseeker

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military coup seems quite unlikely. the thai PM has transport provided by the military for his meeting with the royal highness.
 

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... The last coup was in 2006, when Mr Thaksin was ousted. -- AP ...

i do not see it as the protesters' might that would force Samak to resign, the Thai people respect and love their King, so i guess we'll have to wait and see what comes from the Royal Family.
 

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The military has said it is not planning a coup. Thailand has had 17 constitutions since 1932 - a reflection of the political instability and military coups that followed the drafting of the first charter that created a constitutional monarchy.


Singapore has had more than 30 ammendments to the constitution since 1965 without needing any military coup. In fact, quite a number of brigadier-generals are now in government.
 

yinyang

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Samak's in a no-win dilemma: backlash if he gets tough, else govt is really weak. 3 airports and train services paralysed. Even the army top honchos refused his emergency rule suggestion. Even asked him to quit or snap elections.

Add salt to his wounds, PAD hijacked his office sat. With Chamlong very much calling the shots.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/topstories/topstories.php?id=130153

Ordinary folks in the city (outside area of govt house protests) are just trying to eke out their day to day living.
 
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YummyBoy

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Ordinary folks angry at Samak?

Or at the protestors/PAD for creating all the disruptions and inconvenience?

What do you think?
 
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tonychat

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If the Thais don't respect election results, they should return to the rule of monarchy.

Respect election result is one thing, disrespect of some one incapable and trying to change law to benefit himself selfishly is another.

The protest is due to that reason.


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http://www.bangkokpost.com/pad_mass_....php?id=130174


PAD mass protest special coverage


Sondhi: Govt did not listen to charter warnings

(BangkokPost.com) - People’s Alliance for Democracy (PAD) leader Sondhi Limthongkul said the purpose of the mass anti-government rally is to stop the government from amending the 2007 constitution, as changes to some articles could benefit deposed prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

Mr Sondhi said the majority of Thai people already warned the government about charter amendments, but it did not listen. Instead, the government tried different ways to amend it, and some state officials were unfairly transferred, Mr Sondhi claimed.

The anti-government group leader said its demonstrations and activities are not terrorist or violent acts, but they are acts of civil disobedience for the good of Thai politics.

He added that if the next administration does not heed to the public voices, he will stage a gathering again.

He said he does not prefer any political party, but the Democrat party should set up the next government as it is less evil than the People Power party.
 

sunny302

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Things really getting bad to worse with all flights in n out of Phuket being cancelled :eek:...There goes the holiday :mad:
 

Porfirio Rubirosa

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Your reading appears to quite accurate Bro, have you lived in LOS before?:smile:

Now I personally do not like 'chef' Samak himself becaue of his ultra rightwing history and caustice tongue, however in this particular situation I do have some sympathy for him because PAD do not appear to have any respect for the rule of law, the constitution and parliamentary practice. This now appears to be mob rule at its worst and I find it curious and strange to read latest press reports suggesting that the Oppostion Democrats are now becoming close to PAD:eek:

Samak's only saving grace now is his old family ties with King Bhumi. But if this public stranglehold by PAD continues indefinitely and around Thailand(not only Bangkok) I think even the King shall not be able to help him. Samak has to now stand firm as a decisive leader and lead. If the army distances itself from him, which looks more and more likely than I think the best option for him (assuming he wants to remain in power) is to go direct to the people and call a snap general election as soon as possible.

Samak's in a no-win dilemma: backlash if he gets tough, else govt is really weak. 3 airports and train services paralysed. Even the army top honchos refused his emergency rule suggestion. Even asked him to quit or snap elections.

Add salt to his wounds, PAD hijacked his office sat. With Chamlong very much calling the shots.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/topstories/topstories.php?id=130153

Ordinary folks in the city (outside area of govt house protests) are just trying to eke out their day to day living.
 

Porfirio Rubirosa

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Sondhi is pure DS Bro. His group also wants to amend the constitution in a way where a certain standing of parliamentarians shall be appointed instead of being elected by the people themselves. In short Sondhi wants to return power to the old elites and Bangkok middle classes whom Thaksin managed to destabilise by empowering the once disenfranchised majority poor rural classes in the provinces.

Does Sodhi really respect "the public voices" which he disingenuously claims to stand for?:rolleyes:

Respect election result is one thing, disrespect of some one incapable and trying to change law to benefit himself selfishly is another.

The protest is due to that reason.


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http://www.bangkokpost.com/pad_mass_....php?id=130174


PAD mass protest special coverage


Sondhi: Govt did not listen to charter warnings

(BangkokPost.com) - People’s Alliance for Democracy (PAD) leader Sondhi Limthongkul said the purpose of the mass anti-government rally is to stop the government from amending the 2007 constitution, as changes to some articles could benefit deposed prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

Mr Sondhi said the majority of Thai people already warned the government about charter amendments, but it did not listen. Instead, the government tried different ways to amend it, and some state officials were unfairly transferred, Mr Sondhi claimed.

The anti-government group leader said its demonstrations and activities are not terrorist or violent acts, but they are acts of civil disobedience for the good of Thai politics.

He added that if the next administration does not heed to the public voices, he will stage a gathering again.

He said he does not prefer any political party, but the Democrat party should set up the next government as it is less evil than the People Power party.
 

yinyang

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Your reading appears to quite accurate Bro, have you lived in LOS before
..But if this public stranglehold by PAD continues indefinitely and around Thailand(not only Bangkok) I think even the King shall not be able to help him. Samak has to now stand firm as a decisive leader and lead. If the army distances itself from him, which looks more and more likely than I think the best option for him (assuming he wants to remain in power) is to go direct to the people and call a snap general election as soon as possible.
Just a frequent visitor to LOS, and with a wary eye on latest events. Just that I feel the ordinary folks in krung thep are not getting anything out of this. Latest window to the world doesn't bode well for them. Neither was last military regime, as they didn't have a success story with managing economy too. You could almost appreciate what the vet Chamlong said on most of thai electorate are not "educated" (with moneyed vote buying etc).

There's a extraodinary parliamentary sitting today. So what gives?
 
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Emergency session held

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The violence reached a peak on Friday when Bangkok police fired teargas and rubber bullets to repel an assault on their headquarters by around 2,000 protesters. -- PHOTO: AP

BANGKOK - THAI Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej turned to parliament on Sunday to try and defuse protests that have blockaded his offices and briefly shut airports, but insisted he would stay in power.
He is still looking for a peaceful way out of the crisis that began on Tuesday when thousands of anti-government protesters rampaged through Bangkok's historic district and invaded his offices, demanding his immediate resignation.

After police briefly clashed with rowdy demonstrators last week and protests spread outside the capital, the premier called the emergency parliament session, but he has so far ruled out declaring a state of emergency.

'We cannot let the situation in the country go on like this,' Mr Samak said in his regular Sunday television address.

'It must be over, but I will not do anything that will create a bad atmosphere. The announcement of an emergency decree would create a bad atmosphere in the country and to the world.'

Mr Samak said that so far protesters had not paid any attention to government pleas or court injunctions ordering them to leave the Government House compound and seeking the arrest of nine protest leaders.

'Let's see what parliament can do,' he told the nation.

Lawmakers will make suggestions about how to resolve the crisis although there will be no voting.

The People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) objects to Mr Samak's plans to amend the constitution and his close ties with ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra, who they helped unseat with protests in early 2006 ahead of a coup later that year.

Mr Samak's coalition took power in February after securing nearly two-thirds of parliament's 480 seats in elections last December, and the premier has accused the PAD of trying to spark another putsch.

'What they are trying to do now is overthrow the government,' Mr Samak said. 'They seized government offices, airports. Is this democracy, or is this the people's alliance to destroy democracy?'

Sunday's extraordinary parliament session opened with opposition Democrat Party MPs questioning Mr Samak, as about 1,000 pro-government demonstrators gathered outside under the close watch of police.

'We are worried that the PAD will come here so we are here to protect the people,' Police Colonel Somchai Choeyklin told AFP.

Brief clashes between police and protesters on Friday raised tensions in the coup-prone kingdom, but the atmosphere around the besieged government compound has since cooled.

On Sunday morning numbers had dwindled, although ambulances remained on standby outside.

Police officials told AFP that between 14,000 and 17,000 people remained on the grounds of Government House, where they have barricaded themselves in with coils of barbed wire, bamboo poles and piles of tyres.

Mr Samak late on Saturday flew down to the king's residence in the beach resort town of Hua Hin. Mr Samak has not revealed details of the discussion, but said his stance had not changed.

'I told you before that I will not resign - I will stay on to run this country,' he said.

Despite the demonstrators regularly invoking the king, both in speeches and with royalist imagery, he has remained silent in the current standoff.

Protests spread outside Bangkok for the first time on Friday, with blockades shutting Phuket, Hat Yai and Krabi airports, and a railway workers' strike halting a quarter of all services.

Phuket airport - the second busiest in Thailand - reopened on Sunday, while Hat Yai reopened on Saturday. A railway official, meanwhile, said services were still disrupted across the country.

Chamlong Srimuang, 73, a retired army general and one of five PAD leaders, said the alliance would wait and see what happened in parliament before planning its next move.
 

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Respect election result is one thing, disrespect of some one incapable and trying to change law to benefit himself selfishly is another.

The protest is due to that reason.

You think Samak is not capable, so who should go up and takeover? Chamlong? Sondhi? or the Abhisit?

So even if Samak is forced to step down, Abhisit is elected to be PM. Then? What if another 100,000 people goes to streets to ask Abhisit to step down. The cycle goes all over again and again.

People who protest are very selfish people, because they only think for themselves. They did not think about the livelihoods of those in regions where they protest. What about those people who make a living from foreigners in Hua hin, Phuket etc? No foreigner will want to go these places in case they can't come back due to airport closure. Protestors want things to be done, but is anyone concerned of those affected? No, because these people only care about what they think, their own selfish reasons and agenda to do the things they want.

Going via demostrations, protest is not the way to solve things. If things can and should be solved this way, thailand should go back to monarchy. Everyone tiam tiam and no sound can be made. Who dare to make any noise is considered national treason. So anyone thinks this is how the country should move?
 

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Changing rules to benefit himself just like LKY is not selfish? Give me a break. Protest is selfish? hahah You mean just like those sinkie who hide behind and dun dare to make any move even they are screwed is very generous?

Your logic seems strange. Read up the real reason of why the protest is held first.
 

silverfox@

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Changing rules to benefit himself just like LKY is not selfish? Give me a break. Protest is selfish? hahah You mean just like those sinkie who hide behind and dun dare to make any move even they are screwed is very generous?

Your logic seems strange. Read up the real reason of why the protest is held first.

When you don't like that person, he give you $1000, you also think he has a motive.

When you like that person, he give you shit to eat, you also think he is delicious. Just as example, not meaning to say Chamlong give you shit to eat.
 

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how do we suppose the protestors have time n $ to leave their jobs (when a vast majority, hardly making ends meet), to get on the streets in their flashy parade? surely somebody has to be funding these massive protests.... n to think taht food vendors have the means to provide cheap/free food supplies??? curious. to the extent where the 3 airports were crippled, spoiling more for their economy via tourism, as well as incoming prospective clienteles.

there's reason to believe that some sore eyed oppositions could've masterminded this drama, to magnify their issues on the world map. conversely, this is wat ppl tend to do, in order to discredit the newly elected PM. before reforms can even be implemented, he's already preoccupied with damage control. sad situation i say.

whether or not he's really a remote ctrl puppet under the orchestration of thaksin's administration remains a mystery - yet to be proven, despite speculations. once the THB starts to sink, n when their exports start to thrive once more, the ppl would naturally feel the stings of their own misdemeanor, n when all they fetch home is no longer bread but crumbs... vast majority of the demonstrators would just drop the idea, n go back to ploughing/toiling their fields.
 

silverfox@

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how do we suppose the protestors have time n $ to leave their jobs (when a vast majority, hardly making ends meet), to get on the streets in their flashy parade? surely somebody has to be funding these massive protests.... n to think taht food vendors have the means to provide cheap/free food supplies??? curious. to the extent where the 3 airports were crippled, spoiling more for their economy via tourism, as well as incoming prospective clienteles.

Many of these protestors are already jobless, so having free food and some money undertable from you-know-who is what gives them the motivation.
Their actions is at the expense of those who are making a decent living and has to be disrupted because of them. I don't mean the govt but those common people.
 
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